Hello!

 I saw just 3 baltic blau cars in my life: 1 633 US  spec, my 635 and one 635 here in Italy, and the owner is my friend!

What colour baltic is?look here:

I guessif someone of this forum has got a 6er with the same paint..

Regards,

SiSco from north italy

i dont know about the colour   ...but have you got any cheap accomadation on offer over there ??? i could do with a holiday lol

but on a more serious note ..thats a mint and rare 6 er in the pic

Thank you! It's my 1983 635. From daily driver it tunred otu to be a tart's car.... For accomodation....I should have a look, but now only Fiats are cheap, in Italy....!!!!!!!

The picture under your name? A rottweiler?

Francesco from North italy

A baltic blau e28 is rarer than also a 6 series with that colour...

FOr ALFASUD:I live in the north of italy and I will struggle to find one , in the south You could see still someone with those old rusty ALFAs....

they had a very good boxer engine...but the rest was a tragedy....

rust and bad stuff put together...

In Italy that car had not a big success,but Giulia, Giuletta, GTV and  Alfetta did ...

Francesco

Your rust problems comes from your wet Weather,winter conditions of the streets,salt , stonechips on the car that becom fastly rust spots..

Here the climate is quite dry and hot, but italian cars rust anyway....

The problem is the productions line and poor rustproofing.

Francesco...

siscobmw wrote: Thank you! It's my 1983 635. From daily driver it tunred otu to be a tart's car.... For accomodation....I should have a look, but now only Fiats are cheap, in Italy....!!!!!!! The picture under your name? A rottweiler? Francesco from North italy

i also seen a mint [blue ] sixer the other day .the reg date would have been 1986 [d plate ] here

the owner was very proud ..

the dog in the picture is a "labrador"  

how cheap is a fiat then ..well compared to prices here????

Ady 77 wrote:"That boxer engine revved like a washing machine"

Yeah.... a washing machine of Fiat group...

"4 years and they were scrap"

Yeah, if You were lucky!

"Alfas were better built than many BMW's. "

Are you joking?

60000 miles and the DOHC engine need a topend rebuilt. Rust came out within 4 years despite cars were garaged..Dashboards after 5-6 years if heavy sun were flat, the inner part were cooked by the sun..the 6 cylinders suffered not from cracked heads, but they eated oil like a BMW engine with worn nikasil engine and 300k miles on their last leg.. Old alfas need a litre of oil normally(when engine is good) after 1200-1500 kms...

Interiors of Alfa are very well made indeed, but try to find a 164 in Naples( taday about 40° C) and a good driver's seats, the moulding inside the seats becomes soon weak and it seems to sit on a biscuits pack....

The Bosch-magneti marelli issues:a non-fiat with Bosch system works good. A fiat group car( alfa-Lancia-Fiat) with Bosch system is a disaster.A non fiat with magneti marelli (like my mum's Twingo) works wonder and last forever(210k kms and never changed nothing, never had a problem...), a Fiat with magneti marelli system wouldn't come out from the factory cause it will probably misfire or have hesitation or faults within about 200 meters...THE end: good stuff works good on foreign cars, good stuff on bad assembled Fiats gives problems in no time...
 Good alfas are those for foreign markets (it's not secret in Italy that cars for foreign country are better assembled..I had the proof of Swiss Alfas, as I live 20 kms from italy Swiss border)and those coming from 60ies ( Giulia Giulietta Spider  and few more...).

Francesco from North Italy

Ady77 wrote: ....BMW's are great apart from; Bore wear

Not had that. Yet.

Cracked heads

Had that

....Electrical disasters on E60 and E65

Just like the Alfa 164, then

When Alfas was gone under the " financiary control of the state", in the 70ies , in Italy was a common/logical/true opinion that it was a economical "manouvre" of Mr Agnelli( head of Fiat) , in order to put Alfa under the Fiat control....Probably this information is not yet arrived to Great Britain...Alfasud was the car that started the decay of Alfa...And almost every Alfasud employed were fired cause they were habitual absentee.....

You're right to say that proper alfas are good, but they had the problems I  described before...At least in Italy..I don't know about the GB cars(I repeat, better assembled and had special check before to send them in foreign country....)...

First time I saw an ARNA I thought it just had a car accident...Then I realized it was not a wrecked car , but a new Alfa model...

Bore wear on BMW: no excuses

camshaft wear: have you got still that banjobolt problem? Here in Italy every BMW with no self-adjusting  tappets had that job done...

Cracked head: here in Italy this problem killed a lot of E36 2,0-2,5 liters , but I've never seen a older or later cars with this problem.Anyway, with modern BMW tech and ultramodern price list, there's no excuse

Body rot: here in Italy e30 are not that bad...E3, E9 E12, E24 are terrible..my car saw the rain 10 times in 23 years, and I had rust on front wings....

Electrical disaster on E60 E65....I was told by a E65 owner that idrive is very complicated, but no other owners had electrical problems....and E60 works even better(anyway, I'm not a digital man , I'm 27 years old but I'm still analogic and pretty stick to my E3 3,3L dashboard...)

60 k miles/100k kms  suspension rebuilds: my friend has a like new 3,3Li with 327k kms on the odometer , never changed a little suspesion bush, not a single shock,nor a spring...

My 635 has got now Bilsteins , the original boge were tested , and they resulted at 85% of efficency after 119000kms/about 75000miles..I can ensure you that in Italy we try  to skip bumps and tarmac holes, but we have not good asphalt cover.....

I have to mention one thing , a terrible BMW mistake, that cover a lot of BMW: the SI board...I think that those boards are a great disaster....

TRX standard  were a greater distaster(in Italy You can not use the tyres You want only first equipment tyres or one other size, if You have it on the logbook also....635 post 1982 had awful trx 220 and 205/70 vr 14...not happy choices , here...)...

Rustproofing is still unexistent, and this is a shame( travelling in Germany, is not uncommon for me to see some 3-4 years old E39 with rust holes , repaired under warranty)...

Francesco from Italy

Here we go . . .

Ady77 wrote: ......ruined by the useless lazy Southern Italians.

Not content with having a lynch mob of Geordies after him

.  .  .  he adds several million Italians to the queue!

Hope it includes the Sicilians - they love a blood feud

Ady77 wrote:A 3 /4 year old E39 with rust holes? I doubt it!
Dear friend, I have a lot of bmw mates in Germany with that problem on their latest bmw( E39 520i 528i 525tds or 525d tourings...)...believe it or not , I don't mind, But i also had to see to beleive....

ADy wrote:

"The Sud was a superb car......... ruined by the useless lazy Southern Italians."

It's the sad truth....

Ady wrote also:"German cars rust less as they use far less road salt"

Are you sure?But really really really sure??????

I spent a lot of time in Scotland , last years... I ensure You that german autobahn, when the weather is really bad, the autobahns are more white for the chemical salt than for the snow....Then They use also a newer kind of tarmac (the "auto-draining " asphalt), to improve driving  also under very bad conditions....the only complaint is that snow chains ruin this  asphalt , and stone chips on german cars are very deep( so the rust went on....)

Francesco

they must do 3-series in this colour too, would i be correct in thinking?

Ady wrote: "Rotten at 4 years old. What a load of rubbish!! "

Free your mind  and our  minds...I think that anyone has got his own "rubbish" and own opinions about BMWs, Alfas, the other brands , what you 've seen , what I've seen( the rust I saw on a 4years old E39, or the 985000 kms 3,5 l engine taken from a 735i and still running good despite the last oil change done at about 200000kms...) ,and so on ...

Ady wrote:"Sorry, but I don't think anyone believes you!!!!"

Free Your mind and the other member ones....again. You believe I wrote unbelievable things , I believe  you wrote not only in the wrong discussion , but in the wrong Forum..

I think (logically:if I was you,but i have a BMW...)you should have to write these comments on a very good and "rust free" ALFA ROmeo Forum, isn't it? There are a lot of forum about that brand, If you want I can send you a e-mail with dozens of links....Just let me know....

Francesco from Italy

Ady77 wrote: Back to my rust free '96 Alfa 164 Super then. 161'000 miles and still going strong!

Ady77 wrote: Sorry, but I don't think anyone believes you!!!!

Oh yes they do!!! My brothers '99 Merc CLK has had warranty work done on the rear arches & is now getting a new front wing!!!

Also, there are any number of E36 owners who've found the rust bug hasn't been banished completely.

Thank you andy S for your support!

I was sure that somewhere there's someone that know how the  things really are...

Francesco from italy

Fransesco

it seems the discussion drifted from the theme - and dare i say your last point is right. But here goes the answer to your initial question

I have an 87 635csi exactly the same colour and it;s -as per the papers that come with the car-  cirrus blue.

Niko

Nessun dorma.......

Z

Ady77 wrote: BMW's = garbage. Serious body rot and welding after 3 years - junk. Severe bore wear - junk. Cracked heads - junk. Have BMW ever made a really, really good car?? I don't think they have! Thinking back, the 6 Series was a piece of rubbish. I DO remember those being rotten at 4 years old!! Thank God for the Italians to build a decent car. Funny how my 28 year old Merc has no rust though!!

That complete kack

Mercs rust way more than BM's do always have dun, We have had 98 and 99 year with rust on the panels at work and the trim is kack.

The 6 is a great car and one off the best BMW's ever. Fact

Tha Alfas are good cars, but you need the AA or some sort off cove to get you home cuss thay will break down. thay rust more than untreated steal.

My m30 is on 170K and runs like a dream with no oil barning, and have never had a welders torch near it {yet}

BMW are better made cars. better than merc's and far better than Alfas. I see a lot of cars and it the Alfa that laging behined.

and if you all wash your cars propley thay would not rust

AndyS wrote: 170k ? Barely run-in!  Bigger pics please! Still got 96k to get to your point.  Enjoying every mile  though . . .

Just running in, 96ksix but of pleaser to go,

Shes not a sixbut love all the same, and being a mk1 has the shark look aggression

Reply to N1kelg:Cirrus blue took the place of Baltic and they are very very very similar...but a little light.

Reply for  my dear ady77:

BMW's = garbage. 
Serious body rot and welding after 3 years - junk.         & amp; amp; nbsp;         & amp; amp; nbsp;  Severe bore wear - junk.
Cracked heads - junk. Have BMW ever made a really, really good car?? 
I don't think they have!  Thinking back, the 6 Series was a piece of rubbish.

Yeah , I guess why BMW headquarter haven't yet declared bankruptcy(right , or it's  bankrupt?) or haven't stopped the car's production..

huuuuuuh, Now I remember : cause "BMW sold rust copyright to italians , who perfected it."

I DO remember those being rotten at 4 years old!!
Thank God for the Italians to build a decent car.
Funny how my 28 year old Merc has no rust though!!

opinions are like "the balls", any man has its own..   

"985000 kms 3,5 l engine taken from a 735i and still
running good despite the last oil change done at
about 200000kms...)"
So let me get this right............
An old M30 engine with 600'000 miles.
Running on the same oil for 440'000 miles. Quite right , just some fillup when the owner remembered that the engine was not sealed for life
And still running eh? If You give me Your e-mail address, I can send you a little movie about that car starting at the first time every time, and idling smoothy with a/c on at about 750rpm..
About as likely as a rotten 4 year old BMW.
What's Italian for 'Comedy?'.

the italian translation for comedy is this(I try in my bad english): "Ady77 has a working Alfa...."

I hope I solved Your translation problems and the obscure side of this bad BMW world...

reply for 1066BMW:

and if you all wash your cars propley thay would not rust

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Francesco from North italy

Hi sisco,

Is Baltic Blue a solid or metallic colour?

My 1985 735i is Metallic Cosmos blue. This colour was superceded by Cirrus blue.

Horsetan wrote: Oi! This is a Six Series section, not Sevens!

You left the back door unlocked, therefore Squatters Rights apply.

You will now need a court order & an army of bailiffs to get the squatters out.

Hallo!

 It's a metallic paint....

   I was told that my color was superseded by Cirrus, but looking at Your car they told me somthting wrong!!!!!!!!Good colour.... I always thought that Cosmos blue was a dark "electric"blue ....the cosmosblau in 6ers was a "sonderlackierung"= under request colour...There' was the cosmosschwartz as standard....

I'm always learning about BMWs....

Francesco fron North italy

Hi sisco,

the solid colour I was thinking of is called Basalt blue I think.

the darker metallic blue was called Arctic Blue I think.

the very dark solid blue was Lapis.

the very light blue-silver metallic was Sapphire.

BMW sure had a lot of blue shades to offer us in the 1980s.

Yuo're right , arktis blauwas the darkest metallic paint , and lapis was the the darkest solid one.

Saphir blau was similar to ccosmos or Fjord, right?

Francesco from Italy

Sapphire superceded Fjord I think.

Cosmos was a little darker than Sapphire.

Ady77 wrote: ...When you can afford a decent car, let me know.......

I take it you had no comeback on the 630CS, then  

Ady77 wrote: ...Ever get the feeling ............ .....You're arguing with someone who doesn't exist??

All the time

Hiabboy wrote:   Ady 77 i resemble your offensive comments ! . I will be at gaydom on sunday  displaying my unrusty 635 hiline resplendant in royal  blue, i welcome your perusal !. Alas due to a change in circumstances it will be for sale, i'm gutted i paid a lot for it only recently !

Ah, this must be the one on 16-inch Alpinas.....

Hiabboy wrote:   Horsetan , how did you know my 6 is on 16" alpinas ? . You didn't spot me in the oul country did you ? .I have recently completed without a glitch a 1500 mile jaunt back to ireland averaging 27mpg !.

Hopefully you won't have ruined the suspension and steering bushes in doing so...

Re: knowledge of what your car's on - I have my sources....

Hiabboy wrote:  Amazingly no new squeaks or rattles have appeared but i did do some major refurbishing before hand.  I still find it hard to believe after all these years of the 'celtic tiger' that the irish have still got a 3rd world road network, it took me nearly 4 hours to drive from roscommon to dublin on my way back ,140 km!. Next time i'll stick to rosslare fishguard a bonus being the easy /quick drive to fishguard this end, none of that holyhead wrongness.

I always hire Fiat Puntos when I'm there. On my last-but-one stay, I drove it 1600 miles in three weeks, and wrecked the rear suspension by the time I handed it back in Dublin.....

Most of my driving's done on the back roads, so hardly surprising.

Fishguard / Pembroke Dock - Rosslare route would be what I'd use, since I usually need to be in Co.Clare....

Ady77 wrote: 1066 - please weigh that dreadful piece of junk in!! It really is quite offesnive (sp). I'll give you £5 against a rust free 164 Super Lusso. Ever get the feeling ............ .....You're arguing with someone who doesn't exist??

NOW thats just not on, , there is no reason to up-set people ie me