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siscobmw 
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 Topic: balticblau metallic 6er: anyone?
Posted: 22-July-2005 at 04:37 |
Hello!
I saw just 3 baltic blau cars in my life: 1 633 US spec, my 635 and one 635 here in Italy, and the owner is my friend!
What colour baltic is?look here:
I guessif someone of this forum has got a 6er with the same paint..
Regards,
SiSco from north italy
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pma1ums
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Posted: 22-July-2005 at 05:14 |
i dont know about the colour ...but have you got any cheap accomadation on offer over there ??? i could do with a holiday lol
but on a more serious note ..thats a mint and rare 6 er in the pic
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siscobmw
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Posted: 22-July-2005 at 12:52 |
Thank you! It's my 1983 635. From daily driver it tunred otu to be a tart's car.... For accomodation....I should have a look, but now only Fiats are cheap, in Italy....!!!!!!!
The picture under your name? A rottweiler?
Francesco from North italy
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Ady77
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Posted: 22-July-2005 at 13:07 |
I'd say that is Baltic blue alright!
Cirrus blue was for 1986 onwards and lighter.
Arctic blue was a bit darker.
It's very nice - I much prefer the chrome bumper 6.
Many years ago I had a Baltic 525i E28 - rare colour.
Francesco - can you still find nice examples of the....
CHROME BUMPER ALFASUD  ?
Yes, a swear word for the Alfisti !
They do not exist here, they all rusted away.
I had two and they were just great cars, rust apart.
Apparently you still see them around Naples?
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siscobmw
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Posted: 23-July-2005 at 04:21 |
A baltic blau e28 is rarer than also a 6 series with that colour...
FOr ALFASUD:I live in the north of italy and I will struggle to find one , in the south You could see still someone with those old rusty ALFAs....
they had a very good boxer engine...but the rest was a tragedy....
rust and bad stuff put together...
In Italy that car had not a big success,but Giulia, Giuletta, GTV and Alfetta did ...
Francesco
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Posted: 23-July-2005 at 05:40 |
 siscobmw wrote:
...For ALFASUD:I live in the north of italy and I will struggle to find one , in the south You could see still someone with those old rusty ALFAs....
they had a very good boxer engine...but the rest was a tragedy....
rust and bad stuff put together... |
See? Even the Italians had rust problems! 
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siscobmw
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Posted: 25-July-2005 at 04:48 |
Your rust problems comes from your wet Weather,winter conditions of the streets,salt , stonechips on the car that becom fastly rust spots..
Here the climate is quite dry and hot, but italian cars rust anyway....
The problem is the productions line and poor rustproofing.
Francesco...
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Posted: 25-July-2005 at 19:14 |
siscobmw wrote:
Thank you! It's my 1983 635. From daily driver it tunred otu to be a tart's car.... For accomodation....I should have a look, but now only Fiats are cheap, in Italy....!!!!!!!
The picture under your name? A rottweiler?
Francesco from North italy
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i also seen a mint [blue ] sixer the other day .the reg date would have been 1986 [d plate ] here
the owner was very proud ..
the dog in the picture is a "labrador"
how cheap is a fiat then ..well compared to prices here????
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Ady77
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Posted: 27-July-2005 at 14:11 |
Alfasuds were shockingly bad for rust here.
I mean BAAAAAAAD. 4 years and they were scrap.
But the Alfetta GT and GTV were just as bad.
But no worse than the BMW E9 Coupes :-(
The Alfasud was a much better car than the E21:
That boxer engine revved like a washing machine.
Probably the best handling production car of the 70's
But I believe all Alfa production is now in Sud Italia?
Pomigliano D'Arco which is between Naples and......
......MOUNT VESUVIUS!!
Seriously : Alfas were better built than many BMW's.
You never see a rusty 164 Berlina (E30 anyone?)
You never see a destroyed Alfa driver's seat.
The cylinder heads don't crack!
But some problems are in common;
Rear axle bushes
Dodgy instruments when the circuit board goes.
Leaking PAS racks.
Poor quality Bosch crap. Bring back Magnetti Marelli!
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It be black, hairy and I be afraid of it!
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siscobmw
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Posted: 29-July-2005 at 17:19 |
Ady 77 wrote:"That boxer engine revved like a washing machine"
Yeah.... a washing machine of Fiat group...
"4 years and they were scrap"
Yeah, if You were lucky!
"Alfas were better built than many BMW's. "
Are you joking?
60000 miles and the DOHC engine need a topend rebuilt. Rust came out within 4 years despite cars were garaged..Dashboards after 5-6 years if heavy sun were flat, the inner part were cooked by the sun..the 6 cylinders suffered not from cracked heads, but they eated oil like a BMW engine with worn nikasil engine and 300k miles on their last leg.. Old alfas need a litre of oil normally(when engine is good) after 1200-1500 kms...
Interiors of Alfa are very well made indeed, but try to find a 164 in Naples( taday about 40° C) and a good driver's seats, the moulding inside the seats becomes soon weak and it seems to sit on a biscuits pack....
The Bosch-magneti marelli issues:a non-fiat with Bosch system works good. A fiat group car( alfa-Lancia-Fiat) with Bosch system is a disaster.A non fiat with magneti marelli (like my mum's Twingo) works wonder and last forever(210k kms and never changed nothing, never had a problem...), a Fiat with magneti marelli system wouldn't come out from the factory cause it will probably misfire or have hesitation or faults within about 200 meters...THE end: good stuff works good on foreign cars, good stuff on bad assembled Fiats gives problems in no time...
 Good alfas are those for foreign markets (it's not secret in Italy that cars for foreign country are better assembled..I had the proof of Swiss Alfas, as I live 20 kms from italy Swiss border)and those coming from 60ies ( Giulia Giulietta Spider and few more...).
Francesco from North Italy
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Posted: 30-July-2005 at 06:54 |
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The Alfasud was 13 years before Fiat took over!
No Fiat connection whatsoever.
I've Never seen an old Twin Cam need a rebuild.
Early GTV6's leaked oil, later ones were fine.
My 75 1.8 did 170'000 miles on first engine/gearbox.
(we're talking the proper one, not the 156 motor)
Bosch are fine, apart from;
Diesel pumps
Diesel injectors
Air mass meters.
BMW's are great apart from;
Bore wear
Camshaft wear
Cracked heads
Body rot on 3 Series (E30's are terrible)
Electrical disasters on E60 and E65
60'000 mile suspension rebuilds
Ignore Fiat rubbish. Proper Alfas were great cars.
BMW are good, but not THAT good.
BTW I worked for three Alfa dealers 1984-96.
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It be black, hairy and I be afraid of it!
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Ady77
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Posted: 30-July-2005 at 07:06 |
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Mind you, there was no excuse for the Arna!!
But the 75 1.8 Turbo was superb. Wind up the boost!
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It be black, hairy and I be afraid of it!
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Posted: 30-July-2005 at 11:12 |
Ady77 wrote:
....BMW's are great apart from;
Bore wear |
Not had that. Yet.
| Cracked heads |
Had that
| ....Electrical disasters on E60 and E65 |
Just like the Alfa 164, then
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siscobmw
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Posted: 30-July-2005 at 17:01 |
When Alfas was gone under the " financiary control of the state", in the 70ies , in Italy was a common/logical/true opinion that it was a economical "manouvre" of Mr Agnelli( head of Fiat) , in order to put Alfa under the Fiat control....Probably this information is not yet arrived to Great Britain...Alfasud was the car that started the decay of Alfa...And almost every Alfasud employed were fired cause they were habitual absentee.....
You're right to say that proper alfas are good, but they had the problems I described before...At least in Italy..I don't know about the GB cars(I repeat, better assembled and had special check before to send them in foreign country....)...
First time I saw an ARNA I thought it just had a car accident...Then I realized it was not a wrecked car , but a new Alfa model...
Bore wear on BMW: no excuses
camshaft wear: have you got still that banjobolt problem? Here in Italy every BMW with no self-adjusting tappets had that job done...
Cracked head: here in Italy this problem killed a lot of E36 2,0-2,5 liters , but I've never seen a older or later cars with this problem.Anyway, with modern BMW tech and ultramodern price list, there's no excuse
Body rot: here in Italy e30 are not that bad...E3, E9 E12, E24 are terrible..my car saw the rain 10 times in 23 years, and I had rust on front wings....
Electrical disaster on E60 E65....I was told by a E65 owner that idrive is very complicated, but no other owners had electrical problems....and E60 works even better(anyway, I'm not a digital man , I'm 27 years old but I'm still analogic and pretty stick to my E3 3,3L dashboard...)
60 k miles/100k kms suspension rebuilds: my friend has a like new 3,3Li with 327k kms on the odometer , never changed a little suspesion bush, not a single shock,nor a spring...
My 635 has got now Bilsteins , the original boge were tested , and they resulted at 85% of efficency after 119000kms/about 75000miles..I can ensure you that in Italy we try to skip bumps and tarmac holes, but we have not good asphalt cover.....
I have to mention one thing , a terrible BMW mistake, that cover a lot of BMW: the SI board...I think that those boards are a great disaster....
TRX standard were a greater distaster(in Italy You can not use the tyres You want only first equipment tyres or one other size, if You have it on the logbook also....635 post 1982 had awful trx 220 and 205/70 vr 14...not happy choices , here...)...
Rustproofing is still unexistent, and this is a shame( travelling in Germany, is not uncommon for me to see some 3-4 years old E39 with rust holes , repaired under warranty)...
Francesco from Italy
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Ady77
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Posted: 01-August-2005 at 18:52 |
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The Sud was a superb car.........
......ruined by the useless lazy Southern Italians.
The 60'000 mile head rebuild is the 156 engine.
Alfa say change the cambelt at 60'000 miles.......
But they normally break just before :-( at 50-55k.
A 3 /4 year old E39 with rust holes? I doubt it!
I had a 1997 520i with no rust at all, anywhere.
Even in wet England, you don't see rusty E34's yet!
And they came out in 1988!
German cars rust less as they use far less road salt.
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Posted: 02-August-2005 at 07:30 |
Here we go . . .
Ady77 wrote:
......ruined by the useless lazy Southern Italians. |
Not content with having a lynch mob of Geordies after him 
. . . he adds several million Italians to the queue!
Hope it includes the Sicilians - they love a blood feud 
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AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. 
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siscobmw
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Posted: 02-August-2005 at 10:24 |
Ady77 wrote:A 3 /4 year old E39 with rust holes? I doubt it!
Dear friend, I have a lot of bmw mates in Germany with that problem on their latest bmw( E39 520i 528i 525tds or 525d tourings...)...believe it or not , I don't mind, But i also had to see to beleive....
ADy wrote:
"The Sud was a superb car......... ruined by the useless lazy Southern Italians."
It's the sad truth....
Ady wrote also:"German cars rust less as they use far less road salt"
Are you sure?But really really really sure??????
I spent a lot of time in Scotland , last years... I ensure You that german autobahn, when the weather is really bad, the autobahns are more white for the chemical salt than for the snow....Then They use also a newer kind of tarmac (the "auto-draining " asphalt), to improve driving also under very bad conditions....the only complaint is that snow chains ruin this asphalt , and stone chips on german cars are very deep( so the rust went on....)
Francesco
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Posted: 02-August-2005 at 12:59 |
they must do 3-series in this colour too, would i be correct in thinking?
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Ady77
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Posted: 02-August-2005 at 17:08 |
So BMW's are just badly made rust heaps then?
Rotten at 4 years old. What a load of rubbish!!
Back to my rust free '96 Alfa 164 Super then.
161'000 miles and still going strong!
Unlike that rusty BMW junk.
Sorry, but I don't think anyone believes you!!!!
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siscobmw
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Posted: 04-August-2005 at 05:28 |
Ady wrote: "Rotten at 4 years old. What a load of rubbish!! "
Free your mind and our minds...I think that anyone has got his own "rubbish" and own opinions about BMWs, Alfas, the other brands , what you 've seen , what I've seen( the rust I saw on a 4years old E39, or the 985000 kms 3,5 l engine taken from a 735i and still running good despite the last oil change done at about 200000kms...) ,and so on ...
Ady wrote:"Sorry, but I don't think anyone believes you!!!!"
Free Your mind and the other member ones....again. You believe I wrote unbelievable things , I believe you wrote not only in the wrong discussion , but in the wrong Forum..
I think (logically:if I was you,but i have a BMW...)you should have to write these comments on a very good and "rust free" ALFA ROmeo Forum, isn't it? There are a lot of forum about that brand, If you want I can send you a e-mail with dozens of links....Just let me know....
Francesco from Italy
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balticblau metallic 6er: anyone?
