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UweM3 
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Joined: 11-February-2003
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 Posted: 12-May-2005 at 12:55 |
 215DMX wrote:
Uwe said
"When the brown cancer has taken my E30 away
from me I will transplant the S14 into that, just to
prove a point!"
As i can't seem to sell my old engine, i have been
considering keeping it now, and next year getting a
early e36 LHD plenty in Germany for £700-£800 and
doing just that, or even a Compact ... |
Don't get a compact, just DON'T 
Nice coupe will do! I know a gearbox for sale......and oh, did I mention that I have a spare engine wiring loom...
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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215DMX
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 17:10 |
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Uwe, go away... I have enough to deal with right
now...
BTW- I have 2 ecu's, one with a remapped chip, 264
cam etc... that could be avaiable ;-) b4 eb.......
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breeze
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 06:39 |
Back to the original topic... 
Andy how did you find the suspension? I haven't found my evo to understeer as drastically as you have although I haven't been out on track with it yet. (understeer in corners with other cars has been cleaned up massively by braking earlier)
What I have found however is that the weight transfer of the car when cornering on standard suspension is a little shocking for what is allegedly an M car. Feels far to soft. I am thinking of stiffer springs and perhaps some arb fine tuning may be in order.
edited to add: But I am not keen on investing in a car that will not be as engaging when driven hard as I would like...
Edited by breeze
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m3kuk
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 10:52 |
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The point about the Evo's 'soft' suspension is a good one,but it's supposed to be like that! They designed a certain ammount of 'body roll' into the handling and it's this along with the passive rear wheel steering that allows an Evo to pull 1G while cornering.
The E30 was designed in a different era when sports cars had rock hard suspension,and little roll.
Once you master an Evo's handling(took me 3 months)you will enjoy it so much more!
As for the 'race bred' thing,my brother has a V*lva T5 Estate,I've driven it and it's rubbish,you dont drive,but set sail! But in 'race form' even this car won races in the BTCC!
Maybe an E30 will be as quick on a tight twisty circuit but I think an Evo would do the 'ring faster.
Steve Soper tracked about 30 'M' cars round the Top Gear track and the Evo beat the E30 by a couple of secs.
Before I get cocky,the E46 M3 cab beat my car! It's just progress!
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brybusa
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 11:32 |
Its supposed to be soft becuase its a compromise BMW have built in ,they have to take into account fast road driving(but NOT track work)and being able to give a good ride quality, absorb poor road surfaces, all with differing weights/loads in the car.
As I said its a compromise...more for the road than the track.
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breeze
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 12:02 |
m3kuk wrote:
The point about the Evo's 'soft' suspension is a good one,but it's supposed to be like that! They designed a certain ammount of 'body roll' into the handling and it's this along with the passive rear wheel steering that allows an Evo to pull 1G while cornering.
The E30 was designed in a different era when sports cars had rock hard suspension,and little roll.
Once you master an Evo's handling(took me 3 months)you will enjoy it so much more!
As for the 'race bred' thing,my brother has a V*lva T5 Estate,I've driven it and it's rubbish,you dont drive,but set sail! But in 'race form' even this car won races in the BTCC!
Maybe an E30 will be as quick on a tight twisty circuit but I think an Evo would do the 'ring faster.
Steve Soper tracked about 30 'M' cars round the Top Gear track and the Evo beat the E30 by a couple of secs.
Before I get cocky,the E46 M3 cab beat my car! It's just progress! |
Guess you're right, just a little strange to have so much body roll in the car - feels almost wallowy. The real test will be some time this summer. Will start with some track pads and fine tune as appropriate. For some reason I never feel like driving the evo fast on the road which is part of the reason I am not as confident with the car as I would like - had it for over 6 months now.
I'd love to see that Top Gear data - was it magazine or televised?
brybusa wrote:
Its supposed to be soft becuase its a compromise BMW have built in ,they have to take into account fast road driving(but NOT track work)and being able to give a good ride quality, absorb poor road surfaces, all with differing weights/loads in the car.
As I said its a compromise...more for the road than the track.
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Well aware that it is a compromise car - in fact I bought it for exactly that purpose. Just seems a little tame compared even to the e46 (as a passenger at least).
Hmmm... was thinking about selling up the other day but tbh what do you change to within the budget?
May wait for e46 cars to move more towards 15-20 territory or go for something completely different.
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m3kuk
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Posted: 13-May-2005 at 12:39 |
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I was reading it in the Dentist's waiting room a few weeks ago,would have nicked it but people were watching!
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Shock horror, E36 M3 3.2 rubbish on track