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    Posted: 29-June-2004 at 13:15

i spoke with Hella direct (01295 272233) who have given me a couple of their local distributors to deal with. Although (outer) reflectors aren't available here, and BMW can't tell me when they will order any more, Hellas agents can order direct from Germany with a 2-3 wk delivery.

In the meantime Fritz's Bits have found me a set of lights and a wiper motor - so I think I'm sorted - apart from mounting / adjusting the new lights with all the little plastic bits!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-June-2004 at 13:02
Some 3 and 5 Series mountings are different, some are the same - that's the headlamps themselves, not the associated brackets and adjusters. I managed to replace three of my 6's lights with ones from E21/E30 3 and E28 5 Series - you just have to find the right ones! Believe me, it can be done.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-June-2004 at 12:58
Anyone needing the nearside "Highline" headlight set might be interested in THIS

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-June-2004 at 18:38

me again!

anyone got any idea where I can get a pair of outer (dipped beam) headlight reflectors from - I've tried everywhere I can think of but can't find a matched pair anywhere. Can only find 1 bosch and 1 hella.

Dan - 3 / 5 series mountings are different! - but I might have to revert to them - and drill out my light mountings to match the fixing locations on the 3/5 version of the lights.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-June-2004 at 16:12
Originally posted by johne johne wrote:

...Can I simply get more modern replacement glass / bulb holder units (ellipsoid?) and bolt straight on to the existing mounts / wiper assemblies using original chrome surrounds - which are perfect? how much £££?



The short answer is "No" if you're thinking about putting ellipsoid "inserts" in. They will not mate with the old metal mounting frames.

You can re-use the chrome surrounds on a full ellipsoid set - that's what I did on mine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-June-2004 at 16:10
Originally posted by johne johne wrote:

...Hoping that a set of highline lights / wipers will become available at just the right time for £20 !! wishful thinking I know



Not at £20, they won't. Expect £100 or over for a good working set.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-June-2004 at 09:53
Cheapest way of doing it is to use s/h lights. Either try someone who's breaking a 6 (try ebay - there's a couple on there) or get yourself to a breakers yard and find yourself an E30/E21 3 series or an E28 5 series. Some of them share the headlamps with the 6, but take your old units with you, because although they may look the same, the fixings etc are sometimes in a different place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-June-2004 at 21:48

would you believe it - 5 minutes of jiggling and both units are now out.... now what?!

the glass reflector units are all shot - but the buckets / wiper motors etc. all seem pretty clean.

Can I simply get more modern replacement glass / bulb holder units (ellipsoid?) and bolt straight on to the existing mounts / wiper assemblies using original chrome surrounds - which are perfect? how much £££?

advice from anyone who has replaced the lights would be appreciated 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-June-2004 at 18:17

Dan - cheers

obviously more 'jiggling' afoot!!

I know the lights are in a bad way - although they work fine the bulb holders seem to just be resting / pushed onto the badly corroded reflectors - they don't seem attached in any way any more!

Hoping that a set of highline lights / wipers will become available at just the right time for £20 !! wishful thinking I know

anyway - that'll have to wait - its off to get the inner wings sorted out next week.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-June-2004 at 16:54
Getting the complete unit out in one go requires a lot of fiddly manouevering. You don't have to do any more than remove that bracket, although it may seem like it.
When you come to dismantle the lights, you will probably find that everything has corroded quite badly - the worst parts will be the backs of the lights themselves, and the adjusters. Getting the lamps free of the adjusters is quite difficult, and sometimes it's much easier to force (and break) the plastic socket that takes the ball end of the screw-thread adjuster. They clip into the lamp body. You can get them for pennies from a dealer, and replacing all of them is much easier, and quicker, than trying to save the originals.
If you're really keen, strip the metal frames with an acid-based rust remover (try Swarfega's Metal Cleaner or similar) and paint them with spary-on Smoothrite, over a zinc-paint base. As you can tell, I have done all of this on my car....
As for the wash-wipe, try the relay behind the off side indicator housing. It's a common cause of failed washwipe systems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-June-2004 at 09:07

Derek,

thanks - I did remove the grill bracket (but not the horn - I'll give that a try next) - Does yours have the wash / wipe system attached to the light assembly?

I spent a good half hour 'jiggling' but the wiper assembly seems to make the whole thing just too big to get out!!

Is there a step by step guide for getting at the lights & wash/wipe system anywhere?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-June-2004 at 23:01
A couple of useful ( ? ) tips for removing the lamp units in one lump, remove the bottom front grille screw bracket ( you only need to loosen the holding screw ) Remove the horn as well, this will give you a bit more room to jiggle it out! Assemble in reverse order, thats a laugh! Good luck, Delboy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-June-2004 at 16:29

OK - problems again!!

Ive got the driver side grill off and found the 3 large screws that hold the headlight unit in. After removing these and the connectors on the rear I simply can't see a way to get the (now loose) unit out of the available space.

Do I need to separate the lights from the wiper / motor?

How?

Any instructions on removing headlamp units gratefully received!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-June-2004 at 23:08
Originally posted by AndyS AndyS wrote:

...it will be interesting to see how much difference an extra litre makes.



What, an extra litre of fuel? Not much, I would have thought....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-June-2004 at 22:06

The blame for my 16 mpg average has been levelled at a faulty fuel pressure regulator. New one being fitted on Tuesday.

Having said all that, my Audi A6 2.4 auto only managed 21-23 under the same conditions so it will be interesting to see how much difference an extra litre makes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-June-2004 at 16:09
Originally posted by Brucey Brucey wrote:

-note, I only get 30mpg on long runs when I am able to cruise without stop /go/ stop (not the M25 then). On shorter runs (<15miles) I get 22-24mpg or worse still on the very shortest.



My 26mpg comes from very mixed driving. Keeping that economy meter needle pointing to the left of the 30 mpg mark is a real challenge!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-June-2004 at 21:16

-note, I only get 30mpg on long runs when I am able to cruise without stop /go/ stop (not the M25 then). On shorter runs (<15miles) I get 22-24mpg or worse still on the very shortest.

-also my car has a 3.07 diff and the EH gearbox, which takes the torque converter out of play over 100kph. The gearing is also about 4% higher even than normal for these bits because of the slightly larger diameter tyres that are fitted to my 635.

-all this adds up to reasonable fuel economy on long runs despite the fact I know I have a slight rough spot in the throttle angle pot. (unless of course its the 'snake oil' gadget rattling round in the fuel tank.....)

-I've never actually seen my '6' supping a pint, but beer has been known to mysteriously disappear without my clear recollection.....(shades of 'the third policeman' creeping in here...) 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-June-2004 at 17:16

Thankfully my headlight wash/wipe actually does work, albeit a bit on the slow side, so not going to play with that on the premise that if it ain't broke, don't mess with it.

As for the Avon metrics, got a new set on mine and still waiting to go and play...so will inevitably swear at them constantly once the car is out and about.

 

(Still waiting for the dodgy non existant welding to be rectified and the MOT again)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-June-2004 at 16:32
Originally posted by Brucey Brucey wrote:

Nice to see a picture of Horsetan's thirsty '6' again....


Still averaging 26mpg. That 30mpg level is still far away....

Originally posted by Brucey Brucey wrote:

I wonder, do all sixes like Guinness, or do some prefer other tipples?


Experiments continue, using Guinness... Extra Cold.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-June-2004 at 16:24
Originally posted by johne johne wrote:

Nice motor - wanna swap!!!?



You'll be lucky. There's too much history and I've spent too much on this car to ever want to part with it.

Even if some mad eejit (there's one born every minute) came to me tomorrow with 10 grand in cash, I'd think twice before letting it go.

Originally posted by johne johne wrote:

I sourced my 235/45/17 - 20 spoke Alpinas on eBay - refurbed - with new centres, complete with tyres for less than the cost of a new set of metric tyres, which I needed anyway! - money well spent I say.



You were lucky, then. I've never had any luck with Alpinas. As I wrote earlier, I will not use replicas; they are fit only for 3-Series cars.

Originally posted by johne johne wrote:

As for the lights - wow - £440 + Vat + wiper assemblies - I think I'll try the skinned knuckles, WD40 approach to fixing what I've got first!



Be prepared to be a blood donor occasionally, then.

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