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M3PSM 
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 Posted: 03-March-2004 at 17:15 |
we seem to be going around in circles. I don't drive dangerously in my opinion.
Maybe you cannot control your car on a motorway above 70mph. I can.
If this thread is so offensive though, I'm sure there's one on interior improvements or air-con settings on here somewhere.
Mmmm, maybe a tad harsh, but you get my point & it obviously "wasn't you" i met on the M11 
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jonp
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 16:54 |
Sorry, just re read my last post- it sounded a bit off.
You are right BMW's are nice cars but...they are just that Cars. If you/i decide to drive what i believe to be a superior marque then why drive dangerously?
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jonp
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 16:39 |
A guy raced me in a transit van.......sad.
Is your car so poo that you need to show off? Disscuss.
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Autos are easy. Its the steering thats hard.
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M3PSM
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 16:11 |
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Thank you Mogart1.
Some gets the point.
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mogart1
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 15:49 |
I spend quite a lot of time up and down the M6 (not in my M3), and undertaking is now totally rife. There was some talk of making this legal, like it is in the states? I don't see the problem myself, providing you don't bat past up the inside. Its the speed differential that is the danger surely.
Anyway back to the initial topic .....who was driving the Toyta Supra in Preston about 2 weeks ago. From a set of ights down a dual carriageway we set off together and ran pretty much side by side, and both eased off at the same time without being too silly - top joy.
Also who was the driver of the ST170 who pulled along side me on another local dcway....yes mine really is an M3, not a dressed up 316i.. but my engine was cold and I am not prepared to be that cruel to it...even as a matter of honour!.
Who was the guy in the black 206 GTi coming down Blackpool road past McDonalds...its a bit slow isn't it!!
I just thought this makes me look terrible...but this is what its all about isn't it?? The reason why we don't drive mundano's or Shalaxies...
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st-EVO
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 14:15 |
I have to admit to undertaking, It really bugs me that the lane everyone is supposed to be in is usually virtually empty and the other 2 which are only supposed to be used for overtaking are full.
In Spain where most drivers could be described as being at least a little bit crazy the motorways are a pleasure to drive on. people pull out to overtake a lorry and then pull in again, not stay out to overtake the next lorry a mile further down the road
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jonp
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:59 |
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Ok i see you point M3PSM. Just consider this mate; if there is an accident ahead you are in someone elses 'escape route'. I have seen a AMG merc thing come a cropper to that!
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215m3
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:56 |
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Part of the M6 is 4 lanes.
Last year i was travelling north in the nearside lane. No other traffic, the road was dead.
Ahead a solitary car in the 3rd lane, secong overtaking lane out of 4 lanes. Is it or would it have been more dangerous to overtake as you would get closer to this car or to undertake? You seen the car for over a mile with no reaction. overtake the car is within 2 metres. Undertake the car is within 8 metres.
I'll leave my actual manouvre to your your own thoughts.
What was safer - Overtake or Undertake?
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M3PSM
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:49 |
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jonp, you are right (almost). There should be absolutely no reason or justification to undertake but;
-if i come up behind a merc doing 70 in the fast lane of an empty motorway or dual carraigeway & he doesn't move after several flashes, I will undertake him
-if I'm following protocol in the fast lane when the other lanes are clear & I'm being repeatedly undertaken, I will eventually join the masses.
That said, if someone undertakes me, I indicate to turn in on them (but don't of course), or gently close the gap they are aiming for.Undertaking is almost a black & white "no go", but as with everything, there are exception, in my opinion.
Paul
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falkster
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:46 |
 jonp wrote:
M3PSM please do not take this as a direct atteck on you.
Undertaking is so bloody dangerous and there is no excuse. I have never done it. Don't get me wrong guys, yes i speed, yes i get annoyed. BUT what is the point of risking peoples lifes just to show off?
Please guys i know maybe i should be reaching for the pipe and slippers, take it easy.
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I second that one. Because of the planks filling up the outside lane you then get more cars dipping into the middle lane and coming back out 5-6 cars further down and so on.
If people used the motorways as intended this wouldnt happen.
I know above 70mph is illegal but it happen so if these people that are doing that or less could stick to the other two lane all would be rosie in the garden. Im not saying I drive too fast but there are times when I 'clean' it out but then have to slow right down so I dont go into the back of a car doing 65-70 in the outside lane
This is better than theropy
Toby: Very funny 
Edited by falkster
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215m3
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:42 |
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Problem is and the way i see it.
Some people enjoy drive - us lot
The rest either don't or have to to get where there going.
Those who don't ain't interested in anyone else other than themselves, in the main, and therefore don't give a sh*t about anyone just their own safety regardless of highway code police etc.
How many people have been followed by the police, who are in an emergency, when they have the blues flashing and don't react and get out the way.
Case rested
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jonp
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:35 |
M3PSM please do not take this as a direct atteck on you.
Undertaking is so bloody dangerous and there is no excuse. I have never done it. Don't get me wrong guys, yes i speed, yes i get annoyed. BUT what is the point of risking peoples lifes just to show off?
Please guys i know maybe i should be reaching for the pipe and slippers, take it easy.
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kevin
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:33 |
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Kevin
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215m3
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:30 |
falkster wrote:
Might aswell be a car driving on the wrong side of the road. |
Aren't we?
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falkster
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:24 |
One further annoying point for me is that it is nearly as dangerous to drive too slow on a national speed limit road as it is to drive over.
These drivers that are tootling along at 25-30mph and you are travelling at the limit and come round a corner to be met by this. Might aswell be a car driving on the wrong side of the road.
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215m3
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:17 |
darren1001 wrote:
IMO lane hoggers are a big cause of congestion and accidents. This sort of driving only serves to frustrate other drivers, and that can lead to accidents. |
AGREE. BAN THE LOT FOR LIFE. If your not paying attention to the highway code(within reason) and other users then they should not be allowed on the roads.
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M3PSM
Really Senior Member I
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:15 |
Mmmm. Looks like I've opened a can of worms here & still never found out who is was.
Personally, I speed a lot but, I do 20 near schools or in residential estates, I don't speed in town centres or built up areas, I don't undertake (unless it's a blatant middle lane hogger), I don't suffer from road rage & I will sit behind an idiot for ever if it's not completely safe to overtake.
So, am I dangerous? Obviously in many of your eyes, but not mine. Do I regularly drive over 100mph? Yes. Do I hang the back out on roundabouts & favourite bends? Yes. Do I know exactly how fast my M3 will go down the M11? Yes. Have I had an accident in the last 15 years? No.
I'm probably amongst the minority here in so far as I can't afford to do track day that regularly & bought my car for the road. As such I drive as fast as "I think" is safe in any given situation.
If we all drove the same cars, had the same ability & reaction, then maybe speed limits could & should be raised to suit us in certain areas, but everyone is different. I view the speed limits as there for the muppets & will always do so.
I'm above these laws that should get a reaction.
See my next post.
Paul
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jonp
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:15 |
Aggressive driving causes most accidents i recon.
If people allowed for faster drivers and faster drivers allowed for slower drivers there wouldn't be this disscussion.
What is the point of getting annoyed with people, while they are driving?
If every body wasn't so rightous about doing whatever speed they wanted to and planned the road ahead instead of reacting to hazards, the roads would be safer.
"Beg to differ this point. I've been driving for 15 years and a dual carriageway has always been 70 mph, unless otherwise stated." You sure? They used to be 60.
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darren1001
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:06 |
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IMO lane hoggers are a big cause of congestion and accidents. This sort of driving only serves to frustrate other drivers, and that can lead to accidents.
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falkster
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Posted: 03-March-2004 at 13:00 |
Dont get started on manners. The manners of most drivers these days are shocking.
I like you Toby have been driving nearly 15 years and have noticed a massive down turn in general acknowledgements when letting people out and overall poor driving (jumping into my safe braking distance). Even when it is your right of way and you let them down a street, not even a knod or a wink.
No wonder road rage is so often happening. The amount of times Im sat in either car (not just M3) at the lights and some idiot has to get in the outside (right turning) lane and cut in as soon as the lights change.
I know I shouldnt but this affects the way I drive and the manners I give people and this is perpetual.
Rant over
Sorry
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Was it you?
