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M3Nally 
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 Posted: 24-May-2006 at 10:14 |
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I have mine plotted now using the raw data for corrected FWP and torque at Northampton motorsport aginst a run in August last year at Clive Atthowe's in Norwich.
Only difference is Optimax at Atthowes and Ultimate at Northampton.
Unfortunately it is in excel and I cant upload it in that format.
Help.
Kevin
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stevesingo
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 10:19 |
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Kevin,
Open the excel doc go to "File", "Save as web page" and click the button "Selection: chart"
Open the web page and right click on the graph.
"Save image as"
Upload.
Steve
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jon90
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 10:59 |
I thought it was worth going,just for the look on Dave`s face when he saw his printout 
Good to meet some new and old faces.
Jon
For the record 232.9bhp 186.7 torks(standard 215) 
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215DMX
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 11:01 |
...considering the 'figures' i can out drag a Audi S3 up a (very long and
steep) hill from a standing start, redline every gear to 3rd and be 4-5 car
lengths in front........
Jon
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jon90
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 11:31 |
Dave,how did you know I was talking about you? could have been other Dave
Jon
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UweM3
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:07 |
 jon90 wrote:
I thought it was worth going,just for the look on Dave`s face when he saw his printout
Good to meet some new and old faces.
Jon
For the record 232.9bhp 186.7 torks(standard 215) |
Standard 215...........
but considering the smoke out of exhaust it must be a very worn 215.
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215DMX
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:26 |
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I thought you were...
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M3Nally
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:33 |
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Black smoke Uwe, means a Bexley maximum power remap does it not!!
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M3Nally
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:41 |
Chaps, here is my dyno comparison. Evo2.
Run at Clive Atthowe in Norwich done in August 2005 on Optimax. Northampton Motorsport run on Ultimate.
Atthowe run maxxed out at 215bhp @ 7137rpm, this is 218 PS, not far off standard quoted 220PS (not BHP). Torque was 165.7 @ 5267.
NMS maxxed out at 193.4 bhp @6591, torque 169.7 lb-ft.
NMS gave better power and torque at lower rpm, but ran out of steam later. Lack of air from the dyno blower?
What you think?
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M3Nally
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:42 |
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Thanks for the help with the image Steve.
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215DMX
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:56 |
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Looks to me like there is more going on there, the curves are very different,
in fact they look 'offset' if look at the shape of them...???
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M3Nally
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 13:24 |
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Dave, when I spoke to Atthow about this he asked whether they used a pick up, if not the rpm would be out,so the NMS curve could be shifted across either way depending if over or under reading, so thats a possibility, even so the torque curve shape is well different.
A couple of chaps did have rpm taken off the dizzy though didn't they.
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jon90
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 13:38 |
"but considering the smoke out of exhaust it must be a very worn 215."
Uwe
When I put the alpha N on it I may have a job for you,keep practicing with the mapping
Jon
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jon90
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 13:48 |
"Black smoke Uwe, means a Bexley maximum power remap does it not!!"
No,black smoke means it obviously wasn`t a max power remap from Bexley.In fact it`s running the map from prior to the last engine rebuild,so there`s a fair bit left to come we hope
Jon
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UweM3
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Posted: 24-May-2006 at 14:07 |
M3Nally wrote:
Dave, when I spoke to Atthow about this he asked whether they used a pick up, if not the rpm would be out,so the NMS curve could be shifted across either way depending if over or under reading, so thats a possibility, even so the torque curve shape is well different.
A couple of chaps did have rpm taken off the dizzy though didn't they.
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My rpm's have been read out from the MAXX AN software!
And the Dyno sheet tells you the max revs achieved.
So if yours has hit the rev limiter and you know the rpm setting, than it's easy to compare.
Mine was almost spot on, only 50rpm out. So that doesn't explain why everybody was down on power.
We really need somebody telling us who knows how this Dynos are set up/matched at the day.
My car was first and I recall a conversation between Troy and the chap at the key board....."how much was it? ....220....(another run)...how much was ist now?...230...ok a little bit more than....."(while fiddling with the little box in his hands which I believe sets the LOAD of the Dyno)
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stevesingo
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 06:00 |
UweM3 wrote:
My car was first and I recall a conversation between Troy and the chap at the key board....."how much was it? ....220....(another run)...how much was ist now?...230...ok a little bit more than....."(while fiddling with the little box in his hands which I believe sets the LOAD of the Dyno) |
It was somewhat lacking in it's transparancy. If the tempreture and barometric pressure are manuall inputted then you can have a dyno read what you like.
Steve
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stevesingo
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 06:11 |
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Just checked the MET Office. Coleshill met station (nearest to Northampton) 10am Saturday..
987mBar 13 degC
So it would appear the baro reading on the day was correct. It sure wasn't 30 degC though!
Steve
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 07:22 |
stevesingo wrote:
UweM3 wrote:
My car was first and I recall a conversation between Troy and the chap at the key board....."how much was it? ....220....(another run)...how much was ist now?...230...ok a little bit more than....."(while fiddling with the little box in his hands which I believe sets the LOAD of the Dyno) |
It was somewhat lacking in it's transparancy. If the tempreture and barometric pressure are manuall inputted then you can have a dyno read what you like.
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More like the dyno guys have no idea what to do. I cannot see why people get so hung up on these dyno days - a good day out to meet fellow members but to spend money on what is usually a suspect result is just not worth it.
When the figs produced are suspect because of 'silly / could not care less' errors it becomes very disheartening.
I went to a dyno a few years ago with a before and then after modiufications with runs spaced out be a few weeks. When the second run was not much better than the first the operator went back and looked at what he put in last time for various parameters.
At that point I lost faith in any dyno days when they just cram in as many cars as they can in a day.
sorry for the rant.
Karl
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215DMX
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 07:22 |
Steve, your getting carried away....you'll be buying an anorak next
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stevesingo
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Posted: 25-May-2006 at 08:29 |
215DMX wrote:
Steve, your getting carried away....you'll be buying an anorak next
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If I'm not mistaken, that is Norwich Station
Now where's my flask?
Steve 
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