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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 09:15
Funny, i was looking at your struts earlier, and i noticed they looked alot leaner, but had the arb on them. so does this mean that peope with m3 suspension have an issue with their coilovers, because it clearly isnt an issue with 325 parts. wouldn't it be possible to resolve the issue by using 325 struts with m3 hubs?
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The ARB link ist not a problem. You can't wind it down that far anyway, the strut will bottom out.
I think it would be a good time for a local mini meet to have a real think tank for all the stuff we try to achive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 08:26
Some intresting things going on here.

Uwe, this would make a difference to the threaded section of the strut
housing... no ARB link on the strut to get in the way

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 07:49
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just had a thought, this may be the one time not having an m3 benefits. i bet the m3 hub has a larger offset built into it, effectivley making the strut closer to the wheel for the same track width of the car. i.e. 325 narow track, but mine has been spaced out to m3. thus leaving the actual strut in the original "narrow" 325 configuration, and putting the wheel further away.



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I guess your top mounts are solid? This will give you 50mm less height to start with. I wanted to keep the rubber mounts and couldn't get the car back to the ride height it was sitting on the non height adjustable springs.
You can't just weld the bottom platform lower and lower,
there is a limit to it.
A) the platform will not clear the tyre (unless silly ET's are used)
B) you will run out of shock travel.
I agree that things will get complicated when you shorten the strut (--> what inserts???)
Maybe we meet up somewhere in the future and I can have a closer look to your conversion. (Gaydon??)
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just had a thought, this may be the one time not having an m3 benefits. i bet the m3 hub has a larger offset built into it, effectivley making the strut closer to the wheel for the same track width of the car. i.e. 325 narow track, but mine has been spaced out to m3. thus leaving the actual strut in the original "narrow" 325 configuration, and putting the wheel further away.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 07:03

thats a nice conversion. I don't have an issue with the tyre coming into contact with the strut, as the calipers need 60mm spare to the inside of the wheel (hence the whole m3 kit anyway).

I got my platform height by jacking the car to the right height checking travel etc, and then making the bottom 20% of the thread below the platform height. difficult to explain, but it gives me 80% of the thread above minimum ride height allowing for a heavy engine etc.

no problem with meeting up, but she's gonna be quite a few months yet, as soon as it is ill be attending every meet and event possible making up for the lack of previously!

on your setup the top cup comes down to the spring as well, whereas my cup takes the spring into it, so again i think that puts the front lower down. and the top mount as you say, lowers the suspension even further. this is why my weld height is totally different compared to the other coilover strut i have.

I hear you can get the struts bent to add another 1.5 degrees negative camber but then you are starting to affect wear and braking.

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I guess your top mounts are solid? This will give you 50mm less height to start with. I wanted to keep the rubber mounts and couldn't get the car back to the ride height it was sitting on the non height adjustable springs.
You can't just weld the bottom platform lower and lower,
there is a limit to it.
A) the platform will not clear the tyre (unless silly ET's are used)
B) you will run out of shock travel.
I agree that things will get complicated when you shorten the strut (--> what inserts???)
Maybe we meet up somewhere in the future and I can have a closer look to your conversion. (Gaydon??)
here a pic:




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Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Evo2 and Evo3 do NOT share any spoilers.
Evo2 had the front attachment like yours and a additional little boot lip under the M3 wing.
Evo3 was fitted with the flat front splitter directly to the standard M3 bumper with a little straigt extension and a wing extension.

Evo5 is my own description when people just slap everything evo available on the car at the same time

I repeat my questions about the struts, have you shortened them? I have converted M3 struts and was unable to get the front DOWN. What Front top mounts are you going to use?
Nice ARB's BTW. Any idea what spring rates the rear springs have?

The top mounts are adjustable up to about 2.5 degrees extra negative camber, and because im using coilover i can tilt the strut closer as the spring doesn't touch the strut housing. You say you were not able to get the front down? were they height adjustable? i can adjust these down so that the tyre is within 8mm of the bottom of the arch, and this is without the engine in. It all depends on where you weld your base platform really. unless you encountered the top of the strut hitting the top mount!? or the damper was bottoming out?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 06:13

UWE, i didnt shortent the struts, there was no need, and this would have just complicated things. in the pics you will see a professionally done set, but they didnt have the holes for abs sensors, so if anyones interested!!!!

good info on the evo3, thought it was just part added after part i.e. your "evo 5" lol.

rear springs im using the 35mm lower psx spax type that came with the kit.  The car isnt an all out race machine, its gotta be a daily/ weekend driver as well, so compromises have been made, but very few.

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I pretty much totally agree with what your saying, just before the project i had a similar opinion, but money wise bolting in the 3.5 was the cheapest power upgrade i could come across (it was already in an e30 prior to me getting it). in the end this proved no extra help, as the engine mounts were not up to spec, and i wanted the engine further back anyway.

i can remember my main concern being engine mounts back then, as my 2.5 lump was very quick, even compared to the 325 sport, and i was forever replacing engine mounts.

I have helped or rather "given my opinion" on a few subjects on here, particularly with regard to what wheels you can fit on the e30, and doing a manual gearbox conversion for the 2.5 (my auto box went that the car came with, and i decided to go manual).

I now know alot about the mechanics of the cars, and generally everyone i know asks me about upgrades etc just as friends.

Its highly likley i'll be adding a supercharger to my fathers z3 2.8, or he may just go zm3 not sure yet. even so. I had a look at the chassis and were going to try some shock and spring combinations from my e30, as my parts were practically new when they came off, and changing a set of rear springs is only a couple of hours job.

and then there's my little brothers mini etc etc the list goes on, and the sense of achievement you get from doing this is so good.

Your point on max power, i can remember about 6 years ago i used to buy that mag, then overnight it was full of fibreglass civic's that look like bm's and fiesta vans with 20k spent but still an oil leaking 1.0 engine. I hate tack, and have an exceptionally biased opinion. still, seeing these cars in real life provides me with a great chuckle, and they may not appreciate what i'm doing.

One thing i have come to learn is that so many "aftermarket" parts are either exceptionally poor quality (m3 mirrors anyone) or drastically overpriced.

its a minefiled, and getting the right balance of this on one car is very difficult. its also rarly as easy as "bolt on".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 04:12
Personally, modded cars don't really do it for me at all....but then the world would be a VERY boring place if we all liked the same things (even if we all liked and drove E30 M3s.. )

however...

Fair play to you mate. I think guys like you should be applauded personally. Sticking max-power plastic spoilers onto a Saxo is one thing, but taking on a project like this, from scratch, requires b*ll*cks a plenty, and from a more general point of view, it's people like this who very often discover useful little bits of "info/tweaks/mods/ways to do something cheaper/simpler" and these then help others keep their cars on the road further down the line?

Someone's got to do something in the first place to know if it can be done or not..I for one haven't got the courage.....but good luck to people who do!!

I wouldn't like to commment on value - but who knows? 325i Cabs do have a massive following and if the end project is reliable and solid.....???

Good luck with it anyway mate, I'm next to useless mechanically myself, but you should find plenty of useful info on hear concerning E30 M3 parts/set-ups etc, so hopefully you can get the car as 'M' as possible in spirit and design, even if not in actual reality. Arguably thats more what M cars are all about anyway.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-March-2006 at 03:05
Evo2 and Evo3 do NOT share any spoilers.
Evo2 had the front attachment like yours and a additional little boot lip under the M3 wing.
Evo3 was fitted with the flat front splitter directly to the standard M3 bumper with a little straigt extension and a wing extension.

Evo5 is my own description when people just slap everything evo available on the car at the same time

I repeat my questions about the struts, have you shortened them? I have converted M3 struts and was unable to get the front DOWN. What Front top mounts are you going to use?
Nice ARB's BTW. Any idea what spring rates the rear springs have?
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lol, thanks, i get this alot. Its taken over three years, and will probably total around 4. The problem ive had is that i have gone essentially for the best parts i can get for a road/ race setup (without full professional grade parts).

Cost hasn't been as bad as people might tink, as i have done to date all of the work myself (steep learning curve, knew very little at the start).

for example i was quoted 1300 just to fit and primer my rear wings, i took a week off work, and did this myself (god knows how it turned out so well).

The car will basically be brand new when i finish, with no part untouched. Ive re-built the speedo as well, clocked it to 0 as the car will then be "miles since re-build".

I have seen many e30's with similar ideas or concepts, but none the same so far. so its nice to do something different. saying that cost wise i could have bought a zm3!

It just seems more like a dream it will on the road some day, and with my mates and family its almost like a myth that the car exists its been hidden for so long!

oh, it used to look like this before the engine went. Should give you an idea its not oing to be tacky when finished!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-March-2006 at 11:08

You are either very clever or you have too much time and money to burn!

I cant believe you are building nearly from scratch a hybrid m3 convertible type thingy with a whopping great big engine and a mixture of every single evolution m3 part ever made.

I am waiting for jeremy beadle to jump out in a minute

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the struts i adapted from standard type, cutting the base off, and welding on a new spring platform, the spring were from my friends project (he is doing a baur m3 convertible even crazier, with the (4.0 v8 auto!), these springs were from him, so i will see how they go.

The brake kit is 360X32mm monster kit from Hi-spec Motorsport, shocks are spax psx, slightly uprated at the front, anti-roll bars are from bmw 2002.com (huge things, the car will never lean at all),

The rear will have alot of extra weight added (rear wings, foam filled etc) so im not too worried as yet about higher speed cornering.

evo 5? i thought e30 m3 went to evo 3, i.e. m3 front bumper+cecotto+carbon lip?

Rear has a twin sport spoiler, which will help although probably more through its weight than anything else, besides, tail end action is always better than front.

front camber is totally adjustable with coilover top mounts, bearings, spax psx have adjustable rates. I have two track days to tune it up on but the road is where i am more conerned at the mo. probably get some 265/30/18 rubber on the rear when i put 9j's on the back as opposed to current 7.5 j's.

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And please don't fit the Cecotto front spoiler (please ) would you mind posting some pictures of you front strut conversion??[/QUOTE]


And yes, sourcing a genuine cecotto was sooooo difficult. Ive got the evo3 carbon fibre lip going on as well.


Being a convertilbe the m3 rear spoiler would look too "max power" for me, so im sticking to the sport double type.

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thanks for the piccies. Is that Groundcontrol stuff?
Have you shortend the strut? What strut inserts are you going to use? Spring rates? (I have some 2.25" springs left if you need some)
So your're going to make an EVO5 front spoiler? (EVO2 and EVO3 at the same time)
Lucky you can't drive full speed over here. That will create some serious downforce at the front with almost nothing to match at the rear. The EVO3 front is fitted togehter with and EXTENDED M3 rear wing. Don't underestimate how much downforce you need to match your rear.
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And please don't fit the Cecotto front spoiler (please )

would you mind posting some pictures of you front strut conversion??[/QUOTE]

And yes, sourcing a genuine cecotto was sooooo difficult. Ive got the evo3 carbon fibre lip going on as well.

Being a convertilbe the m3 rear spoiler would look too "max power" for me, so im sticking to the sport double type.

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Hi, with the whole project, its been "yes i'll do that", and then ive had the chance of something better so have gone for that. the throttle bodies were supposed to give me much better power and keep the engine n/a, but now i will just be able to run much lower boost and keep the same power. reducing the lag effect of the turbo.

heres some pics of the suspension for you.

 

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Originally posted by Check it out! Check it out! wrote:

ive taken the 735i 1989 engine (218bhp) m30, added hartge throttle bodies 288 degree cam etc. this takes her to around 260>286, then running t70 very low pressure (on initial engine), at only 3psi. When i uprate the bottom end i'll run higher pressure, but for now its just to get all the kit on the engine running. And to not get on/off boost issues.


6psi should see me around 400, but from 170> 340 is a pretty good improvement. Im more into the handling and braking now, but i can at least take the engine further if i need to.



Glad you mentioned the turbo, otherwise I would have said good luck with getting 340bhp out of the old 3.5 lump

BTW why the expense (and work!!!) with the M5 throttles if you turbo it anyway?
And please don't fit the Cecotto front spoiler (please )

would you mind posting some pictures of you front strut conversion??

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ive taken the 735i 1989 engine (218bhp) m30, added hartge throttle bodies 288 degree cam etc. this takes her to around 260>286, then running t70 very low pressure (on initial engine), at only 3psi. When i uprate the bottom end i'll run higher pressure, but for now its just to get all the kit on the engine running. And to not get on/off boost issues.

6psi should see me around 400, but from 170> 340 is a pretty good improvement. Im more into the handling and braking now, but i can at least take the engine further if i need to.

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fit bigger brakes in (with around 340 bhp i didnt like the idea of uprated standard brakes),


exactly what engine are you going to fit?
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