WARNING! Unmarked Subaru on M23

I commonly see a stretch of a motorway used by the plods just to open their cars up. Their depot is a stones throw away from the motorway...and what surprised me when keeping a watchful eye from a distance was the speed they amounted. And guess where they were heading? yup to the depot!!!!! This wasn't a one off...sometimes lights on, sometimes not.

Scandulous !!!!! Pi$$take !!!

livvy wrote: I suppose that case files aren't misplaced in any prosecutions of the public. Of course they are. That in itself is not evidence of anything underhand.

Of course it isn't livvy.

I'm sure out of 300 civilian cases several files get lost every day. In fact, I heard about something like that happening once.

Oh no, I didn't.

dutch wrote:  Out of Bedfordshire's 2,500 officers who triggered speed cameras - the force has the second highest rate of speeding offences per officer - just 46 faced action. The Metropolitan Police recorded the highest number of offences - 25,486 - but only 16 officers were convicted. not just a few case files missing livvy!!

That's not missing files & Spokey the 300 isn't missing files either.

They are the NIPs sent out.
From all those NIPs where there is an audit trail that supports the use of an exemption as correct no further action is taken.

All the figures show is
Yes Police set off cameras.
Yes they are sent NIPs.
In the vast majority of those their use of speed was deemed legal.
In a very small number it was not & consequently that small number are prosecuted.

I'm heartened by the statistics.
Out of 25,486 camera activations only 16 were found to have not be lawfully using an exemption & in those cases they were prosecuted.
It doesn't mean 25,470 were just binned for no reason.


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dutch wrote: Essex police took the unprecedented step of holding a special court for 150 motorists who have all been caught speeding at more than 100mph on the same four lane stretch of the A130 Rettendon by-pass in recent weeks. its a shame joe public does'nt get the same heart warming feeling when you read things like this. In the first 40 cases magistrate Sheena Collins imposed driving bans of up to 49 days and fines of up to �700 on the procession of motorists who appeared before her. Manchester Police's traffic chief will keep his job after being caught speeding at 104 mph. Mr Thomas appeared before North Staffordshire magistrates yesterday. He received six penalty points and was fined �450. nice to see consistency in the old boys club then!

Come come dutch

I know of plenty of members of the public who have recieved 6 points for speeds in excess of 100mph, that is by no means a unique sentence.

The thing in your post is that all the other offences were being dealt with in Essex, whilst the Police officer you talk about was in North Staffs. I'm afraid that sentence variations various enormously in different regions of the country. It is in some ways a bit like roulette in that some counties take a much harder line on speeding than others, as I'm sure some magistrates do within those counties.
After all collison & death rates vary from county to county & naturally some will subsequently take a harder line.


As such while you try to grab a headline with your post it doesn't amount to such. Now if the Police officer had followed ten people into the same court, infront of the same magistrate, for the same speed, on the same day, then yes I'd agree with you.

You for instance have no details about whether those people had a clean licence or not. Whether the Police officer did or not. This will have a bearing on sentencing after all.

In my experience with a clean licence & 104mph on a motorway (without any other adverse conditions) you are unlikely to get banned in most cases.

You also said that the Essex court was set up especially for these offences. They undoubetdly were making an example of people & not every court would be following that.



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dutch wrote: livvy wrote: In my experience with a clean licence & 104mph on a motorway (without any other adverse conditions) you are unlikely to get banned in most cases. depending on where you live and your profession,!!

As I say the profession doesn't come into that & it's not where you live but where you were caught.
Just look through court results & you will see that many many cases of NON Police defendants are NOT banned for 104mph on motorway where they previously hold a clean licence.

(Rather than trying to sensationalise totally unrelated events.)


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Don't you think the Police should set an example to everyone. At one point people looked up to the bobby on the beat.

If a policeman breaks the law that they are supposed to uphold, they should be given the maximum sentence that crime carries. more so with higher ranking officers.

Rhys wrote: Don't you think the Police should set an example to everyone. At one point people looked up to the bobby on the beat. If a policeman breaks the law that they are supposed to uphold, they should be given the maximum sentence that crime carries. more so with higher ranking officers.

I agree it's a very poor example being set. Particularly as he was the head of GMP Road Policing I believe.

spokey wrote: livvy wrote: That's not missing files & Spokey the 300 isn't missing files either. I didn't say there were 300 missing files. I said that I have never heard of a SINGLE case file going missing out of 300 civilian cases. I have never heard of a single civilian case file going missing at all. But here we have 300 police cases, and several of the case files are missing. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in civilian cases, but the police seem to be exceptionally careless with their own cases. Since the police are meant to uphold and represent the law, the standards applied to them and their cases should be visibly higher than those applied to the rest of us. Otherwise you find a bunch of cynical people suspecting them of covering up for each other.

They go missing alright, from all walks of life.
Just like files go miising at insurance companies or anywhere else.

spokey wrote: That doesn't alter the fact that the police should adhere to higher standards where their own behaviour is concerned.

I don't disagree that it shouldn't happen.

I agree that files on Police officer's cases shouldn't go missing especially. Ideally of course no case files should go missing at all, no matter who they are on.