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dutch 
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Joined: 17-December-2005 Location: lakeside Essex Status: Offline Points: 438 |
 Posted: 21-January-2006 at 17:39 |
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The number of fatal accidents on our roads are a fact. Every fatal accident is recorded & investigated after all. How many are attributed to speed? |
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livvy
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 17:51 |
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The reports say speed is a factor in about one third. Edited by livvy |
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Rhys
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 17:57 |
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Livvy, do you have a list of reasons for fatalities on the roads - speed is one third, what are the others?
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livvy
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 18:09 |
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Collisions can have more then one factor in their cause.
Excessive speed is the most frequently recorded factor in fatal collisions. Also about 25% of fatalities result from single vehicle accidents. No other vehicles or pedestrian involvement at all. Just one vehicle going off road or hitting street furnitures for example. Rhys I do have some details, I'll dig them out. Edited by livvy |
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livvy
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 18:23 |
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Between 1999-2002
In fatal collisions the following are the top ten main contributory factors. Excessive speed 28% Behaviour careless/thoughtless/reckless 21% Inattention 18% Lack of judgement of own path 17% Failed to judge other persons path or speed 16% Looked but did not see 14% Impairment - Alcohol 14% Failed to look 10% Behaviour - In a hurry 7% Aggressive driving 6% The 5 main precipitating factors in excessive speed accidents Loss of control resulted in 49% Failed to avoid vehicle or object in the road in 23% Failed to give way in 6% Poor turn or manoeuvre in 5% Sudden braking in 4% Edited by livvy |
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Rhys
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 18:36 |
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Interesting, thanks.
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Rhys
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 18:42 |
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Where would tiredness come? There are always warning of taking breaks etc. There have been cases where I've had to pull off the road to have a break (I always try to plan these in advance when traveling any distance and have a rest every hour or so even if I'm not).
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livvy
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 18:58 |
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There are 54 seperate listed causation factors. Impairment - Fatigue is one of them. It does not figure in the top ten causation factors in fatal collisions. |
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dutch
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 19:20 |
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Impairment - Fatigue is one of them. how is this worked out if the driver is killed when he fell asleep at the wheel. back to the thread. one third down to speed ! surely marked police cars would deter a majority of the 2 thirds you site that are not speed related? |
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livvy
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 19:25 |
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Yes they will help, as will unmarked cars for the reasons I outlined earlier. Impairment - fatigue doesn't figure in the top ten of non fatal collisions either. Edited by livvy |
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spokey
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Posted: 21-January-2006 at 19:39 |
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That's what the police want, is it? To threaten us and to inspire fear? Yes, I can see how that would be a good thing. Edited by spokey |
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whitey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 05:45 |
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My initial point exactly. Edited by whitey |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 06:01 |
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If you agree that marked Police cars can influence behaviour, equally not having a marked car present can mean compliance with rules is less likely. How does a marked car encourage compliance ? It's because people are worried about being caught. If you want to encourage compliance at the times no marked car is visible (& because of limited coverage this is going to be the vast majority of the time) it will have to be by the possibility that an unmarked car is around and will spot any rule breaking. After all the idea is to encourage compliance all of the time, not just when a marked Police car is around. Of course if you don't braek the law, marked car OR unmarked car is of no consequence or concern to you. Edited by livvy |
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spokey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 06:50 |
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Of course, if you want to live in a country where you fear the police and you want to feel threatened by them, you can always move to Britain. |
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spokey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 06:54 |
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Source I can only imagine the effort going into non-crime-fighting activities will increase as the police become a team of ANPR-database-querying, CCTV-watching desk jockeys. Edit: has anyone read about the Police Campaign to Really Alienate the Public? Edited by spokey |
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Ciao,
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dutch
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Joined: 17-December-2005 Location: lakeside Essex Status: Offline Points: 438 |
Posted: 22-January-2006 at 08:35 |
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one rule for them comes to mine spokey. Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that 303 officers from the Dyfed-Powys, Gwent and North Wales forces received fixed penalties for exceeding statutory speed limits. But only 29 cases - less than one in 10 - resulted in a fine being paid. In some cases the documentation about what happened to the officers disappeared completely and outcomes in a further eight cases, in the three force areas, are still "pending". The RAC Foundation last night said the results showed some police forces were over-using the exemption powers and suggested some police officers believed they had "carte blanche" to break the speed limit regardless of whether they were on a 999 call |
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whitey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 12:16 |
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Point 1. Exactly right. We are worried about being caught but unmarked Impreza's is not playing cricket old boy. Point 2. get more marked cars out there with the tax payers money and you'll get less speeding and less deaths on your stats. Unmarked cars generate income and DO NOT save lives........end of! Point 3. Can you honestly say you've NEVER broken the law by speeding? And of course what my tax is used for will always be of consequence to me. Call me a cynical old git (I'm a 42 Year old Manager for the main Comms supplier in the UK thats been driving for 24 years and covers in excess of 25k a year) but just like the camera argument, this is all about generating income. When they started hiding cameras behind trees, signs etc. my respect for the police plumetted. It was all about revenue. Thats now (thank the lord) had a stop put to it. So should the use of unmarked high performance cars used for speeding offences. It's underhand and the money spent on these cars should be used to raise the profile of the Police by putting them in marked cars. That's it from me. Edited by whitey |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 14:18 |
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What , you think the Police want to to do all that paperwork ? The amount of paperwork they have to do is because we as a society require it of them. Does the officer on the street want to fill out a stop form for every person they ask where they've been or where are they going ? I don't think so, but it is a demand placed on them. It is our request for accountability that generates a lot of their paperwork. I'm sure Police officers given the chance would rather do much less paperwork. Still does nothing to show that the Police actually put comparably very little rseources into traffic enforcement than other matters. If you want a cut down on Poice paperwork so that they can be on the streets more, then I'm with you totally. Edited by livvy |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:02 |
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How do you come to these conclusions ? Everytime a Police car goes through a camera the officer driving gets a NIP. That's 303 NIPs that were sent out. Now if they can claim a lawful exemption then the case is dropped. If they can't they get prosecuted. In 29 cases there was no lawful exemption so they were prosecuted. In the rest there was a lawful exemption. What is wrong with that & what is the point to make from it ? Edited by livvy |
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spokey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:37 |
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He didn't, the RAC Foundation did.
Edited by spokey |
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