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livvy 
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Joined: 12-November-2005 Status: Offline Points: 745 |
 Posted: 22-January-2006 at 17:12 |
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I agree it's a very poor example being set. Particularly as he was the head of GMP Road Policing I believe. |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 17:11 |
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Bans for that are not mandatory, they are discretionary. I'm not defending him & what he did. I'm merely pointing out that in my experience large numbers of people are not banned for 100mph on a motorway, irrespective of their profession or why they were doing it. It is your veiled assertion that he was singled out for special treatment because of his profession that I am questioning as not valid, because as I say I've seen many others not banned either for exactly the same thing. Edited by livvy |
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Rhys
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 17:06 |
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Don't you think the Police should set an example to everyone. At one point people looked up to the bobby on the beat.
If a policeman breaks the law that they are supposed to uphold, they should be given the maximum sentence that crime carries. more so with higher ranking officers. |
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dutch
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Joined: 17-December-2005 Location: lakeside Essex Status: Offline Points: 438 |
Posted: 22-January-2006 at 16:54 |
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Guidelines state anyone doing over 100mph should be disqualified for a period unless there are exceptional circumstances.
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 16:48 |
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As I say the profession doesn't come into that & it's not where you live but where you were caught. Just look through court results & you will see that many many cases of NON Police defendants are NOT banned for 104mph on motorway where they previously hold a clean licence. (Rather than trying to sensationalise totally unrelated events.) Edited by livvy |
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dutch
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Joined: 17-December-2005 Location: lakeside Essex Status: Offline Points: 438 |
Posted: 22-January-2006 at 16:45 |
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In my experience with a clean licence & 104mph on a motorway (without any other adverse conditions) you are unlikely to get banned in most cases.
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 16:42 |
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Come come dutch I know of plenty of members of the public who have recieved 6 points for speeds in excess of 100mph, that is by no means a unique sentence. The thing in your post is that all the other offences were being dealt with in Essex, whilst the Police officer you talk about was in North Staffs. I'm afraid that sentence variations various enormously in different regions of the country. It is in some ways a bit like roulette in that some counties take a much harder line on speeding than others, as I'm sure some magistrates do within those counties. After all collison & death rates vary from county to county & naturally some will subsequently take a harder line. As such while you try to grab a headline with your post it doesn't amount to such. Now if the Police officer had followed ten people into the same court, infront of the same magistrate, for the same speed, on the same day, then yes I'd agree with you. You for instance have no details about whether those people had a clean licence or not. Whether the Police officer did or not. This will have a bearing on sentencing after all. In my experience with a clean licence & 104mph on a motorway (without any other adverse conditions) you are unlikely to get banned in most cases. You also said that the Essex court was set up especially for these offences. They undoubetdly were making an example of people & not every court would be following that. Edited by livvy |
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dutch
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Joined: 17-December-2005 Location: lakeside Essex Status: Offline Points: 438 |
Posted: 22-January-2006 at 16:28 |
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Essex police took the unprecedented step of holding a special court for 150 motorists who have all been caught speeding at more than 100mph on the same four lane stretch of the A130 Rettendon by-pass in recent weeks. its a shame joe public does'nt get the same heart warming feeling when you read things like this. In the first 40 cases magistrate Sheena Collins imposed driving bans of up to 49 days and fines of up to 700 on the procession of motorists who appeared before her. Manchester Police's traffic chief will keep his job after being caught speeding at 104 mph. nice to see consistency in the old boys club then! |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 16:17 |
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That's not missing files & Spokey the 300 isn't missing files either. They are the NIPs sent out. From all those NIPs where there is an audit trail that supports the use of an exemption as correct no further action is taken. All the figures show is Yes Police set off cameras. Yes they are sent NIPs. In the vast majority of those their use of speed was deemed legal. In a very small number it was not & consequently that small number are prosecuted. I'm heartened by the statistics. Out of 25,486 camera activations only 16 were found to have not be lawfully using an exemption & in those cases they were prosecuted. It doesn't mean 25,470 were just binned for no reason. Edited by livvy |
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dutch
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:59 |
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Out of Bedfordshire's 2,500 officers who triggered speed cameras - the force has the second highest rate of speeding offences per officer - just 46 faced action.
The Metropolitan Police recorded the highest number of offences - 25,486 - but only 16 officers were convicted. not just a few case files missing livvy!! |
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spokey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:54 |
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Of course it isn't livvy. I'm sure out of 300 civilian cases several files get lost every day. In fact, I heard about something like that happening once. Oh no, I didn't. |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:50 |
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I suppose that case files aren't misplaced in any prosecutions of the public. Of course they are. That in itself is not evidence of anything underhand. |
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m3tiko
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:49 |
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I commonly see a stretch of a motorway used by the plods just to open their cars up. Their depot is a stones throw away from the motorway...and what surprised me when keeping a watchful eye from a distance was the speed they amounted. And guess where they were heading? yup to the depot!!!!! This wasn't a one off...sometimes lights on, sometimes not.
Scandulous !!!!! Pi$$take !!! |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:43 |
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Unmarked cars are used for a variety of purposes, not just speed enforcement. It's cricket all right, there is nothing illegal about it, I support it & I can't see it changing. I suggest you get used to & be wary if you intend commit offences, because they may be there.
I've never said I'm perfect. What I say is that if I (or anyone else) commit an offence then I (or anyone else) shouldn't be surprised, or bleat it's not fair, if prosecuted for it. Of course it's not just your tax, mine also & for my money both cameras & unmarked cars have a place in road policing. Edited by livvy |
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spokey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:37 |
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He didn't, the RAC Foundation did.
Edited by spokey |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 15:02 |
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How do you come to these conclusions ? Everytime a Police car goes through a camera the officer driving gets a NIP. That's 303 NIPs that were sent out. Now if they can claim a lawful exemption then the case is dropped. If they can't they get prosecuted. In 29 cases there was no lawful exemption so they were prosecuted. In the rest there was a lawful exemption. What is wrong with that & what is the point to make from it ? Edited by livvy |
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livvy
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 14:18 |
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What , you think the Police want to to do all that paperwork ? The amount of paperwork they have to do is because we as a society require it of them. Does the officer on the street want to fill out a stop form for every person they ask where they've been or where are they going ? I don't think so, but it is a demand placed on them. It is our request for accountability that generates a lot of their paperwork. I'm sure Police officers given the chance would rather do much less paperwork. Still does nothing to show that the Police actually put comparably very little rseources into traffic enforcement than other matters. If you want a cut down on Poice paperwork so that they can be on the streets more, then I'm with you totally. Edited by livvy |
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whitey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 12:16 |
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Point 1. Exactly right. We are worried about being caught but unmarked Impreza's is not playing cricket old boy. Point 2. get more marked cars out there with the tax payers money and you'll get less speeding and less deaths on your stats. Unmarked cars generate income and DO NOT save lives........end of! Point 3. Can you honestly say you've NEVER broken the law by speeding? And of course what my tax is used for will always be of consequence to me. Call me a cynical old git (I'm a 42 Year old Manager for the main Comms supplier in the UK thats been driving for 24 years and covers in excess of 25k a year) but just like the camera argument, this is all about generating income. When they started hiding cameras behind trees, signs etc. my respect for the police plumetted. It was all about revenue. Thats now (thank the lord) had a stop put to it. So should the use of unmarked high performance cars used for speeding offences. It's underhand and the money spent on these cars should be used to raise the profile of the Police by putting them in marked cars. That's it from me. Edited by whitey |
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dutch
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Joined: 17-December-2005 Location: lakeside Essex Status: Offline Points: 438 |
Posted: 22-January-2006 at 08:35 |
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one rule for them comes to mine spokey. Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that 303 officers from the Dyfed-Powys, Gwent and North Wales forces received fixed penalties for exceeding statutory speed limits. But only 29 cases - less than one in 10 - resulted in a fine being paid. In some cases the documentation about what happened to the officers disappeared completely and outcomes in a further eight cases, in the three force areas, are still "pending". The RAC Foundation last night said the results showed some police forces were over-using the exemption powers and suggested some police officers believed they had "carte blanche" to break the speed limit regardless of whether they were on a 999 call |
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spokey
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Posted: 22-January-2006 at 06:54 |
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Source I can only imagine the effort going into non-crime-fighting activities will increase as the police become a team of ANPR-database-querying, CCTV-watching desk jockeys. Edit: has anyone read about the Police Campaign to Really Alienate the Public? Edited by spokey |
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