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    Posted: 19-January-2006 at 15:04
Andrew,
This extract appears to indicates that the M52TU has heating valves as well as an auxiliary pump.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-January-2006 at 04:07

Dave,

I don't have an auxiliary pump under my radiator. Hmmmm?

I do have some form of a pump under my heater valves which is what I was running in an effort to minimise air locks on draining and re-filling the system when I drained my battery.  Do you have a pump under your heater valves in addition to the pump under your radiator?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 13:09
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I also wondered what it was but as it is appears to be in the same circuit as the auxiliary water pump perhaps it is something to do with that. After all if this pump jams or sticks it could overheat and cause all kinds of problems.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 08:11

Yup you are right. The bit in the Haynes Comic Book is for M52TU and M54 engines with the first bit being on the M52 engine.  I was being forgetful earlier on!  I thought you had a 520i with a 2.2 litre 170 bhp engine but not if it is built in 1998!

Brain now in gear!

The picture above, is that during tightening or loosening procedure?  I had the tools swapped about during loosening and yanked them both up wards with success.  I actually put more effort in pulling up on the pulley holding tool and held the spanner still in my left hand.  The pulley holding tool has the longer lever so was easier to use.

In your photo, bottom left just below the right hand end of the rad hose you see an electrical connector.  The aforementioned book of parodies refers to this as an AUC Sensor (and tells you to remove it from the cowling before removal) but it does not tell you what it is for or what it does. Any ideas anyone?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 05:49
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Many thanks. Now that kbannon has pointed me the way to upload photos there is no stopping me.

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I always thought my engine was M52TU according to my copy of TIS. It is a straight six. Built in Nov 98 and registed in Jan 99.

Anyway, the hose connections would not budge at first and being wary that I did not want to break them in the process I enquired from Robert Stern but with no luck. I then searched through my TIS and found an excellent article on these very same connectors. The "what I call" very large stainless steel clips pull up (not completely out)to release the connector but because the "male" piece is cone shaped it is a very firm push fit into the "female" part of the connector. I had to release some clips by a gentle tap (on a useful protusion) with a blunt screwdriver to release. Others released with a twisting and pulling action.
Reassembly is to push the stainless steel clip home before hand to enable you to hear the definate "click" of the clip snapping into place when you push the "male" back into the "female" part of the connector.     It really is a good design feature but probably expensive to replace,


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 03:20

Originally posted by Dave E Dave E wrote:

Good point whitey,

I will take this photo to Robertt Stern in the first instance then go on from there to BMW UK if necessary.



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That will be the housing from a M54 engine.  How did you find taking on and off the clip on hose connections?

I was reading the Haynes Comic book the other night about the job I had done on Saturday.  Believe me the Haynes Comic Book made more sense AFTER I had done the work myself.  The job looks a lot more complicated on the M54 blocks than it was on my M52 block.  What is your opinion on that Dave.  You have to faff about with the expansion tank, the auxiliary pump under the rad and there looks like there is less room to work in due to the double vanos unit?  Hmm.  I do fancy a 530i next which would be an M54 engine but that M52 lump I have was nice and easy to work on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 03:00
Originally posted by Bill- Bill- wrote:

Very nice picture Dave.

I can tell that you will be a great contributor < spell... to this forum

Andrew thank you for your indepth thoughts and actions.  This Kind of post must help people ALL OVER THE WORLD I mean lets face it we are on the world wide web he he

And Andrew I remember your posts from october, many things, just now, slot in to place

 

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Thanks Bill.  I should really write it up and put it into the How To Do Section that was made recently. 

Erm what posts of mine from October are you referring to? 

I can't remember!  I didn't post as much back then as I was sitting my professional exam - which I passed and therefore qualify for a Company Car  OR the cash equivalent  so I can keep my E39 in bits like the water pump, stat and all the tools I need to do it with!

I think I did complain about hearing a gurgling noise back in October but I put that down to the fact that I had just been on holiday to the wettest part of the UK I have ever been to and it wasn't up here in Scotland but, The Lake District!

But the gurgling noise was back yesterday, I then did top the level up in the expansion tank last night.  Hopefully it is just the last of the air working itself out.  None should be going back in!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 17:21

Originally posted by Dave E Dave E wrote:

Good point whitey,

I will take this photo to Robertt Stern in the first instance then go on from there to BMW UK if necessary. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 16:17

Very nice picture Dave.

I can tell that you will be a great contributor < spell... to this forum

Andrew thank you for your indepth thoughts and actions.  This Kind of post must help people ALL OVER THE WORLD I mean lets face it we are on the world wide web he he

And Andrew I remember your posts from october, many things, just now, slot in to place

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 15:45
YIPPEE - my very first photo in over three years.
(My wife said it was no good waiting until I had built my Web site which is still about 10% complete)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 15:41
Good point whitey,

I will take this photo to Robertt Stern in the first instance then go on from there to BMW UK if necessary.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 14:57

My stats gone in my e39 as well. Surely BMW must recognise that they've manufactured a crap part and give some sort of gratuity payment. I've heard of so many M52 lumps this year with the same problem. 

I'll get round to changing it soon as it needs to be sold.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 04:12
And I bet you weren't far out. Takes you back to guessing the weight at the local charity fetes.
I used to torque my wheel nuts but not any more as I get them pretty well right now (that's after 55 years of DIY mechanics). Yes I know - I'm getting too old in the tooth for this game.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 04:03

My fan was tightened up to the following torque -

"yup that feels about right torque"!

What is the point giving you a torque setting on a nut which you can't actually measure it using any available to buy torque wrenches?

Does that mean we should hang a 4 kg weight from the end of a 1 m long spanner to get the 40Nm torque.  I think not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 03:38
The torque setting for the fan nut is 40Nm which is 30Nm with the extented spanner. Considering wheel nuts are 100 Nm it would be easy to overtighten which may tend to be the cause of so many problems.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 03:21

No you are spot on Dave. 

When I first got my E39 17 months ago, I could tell where I would be on my journey by looking at the temp gauge.  By the end of my estate it would be out of the blue and then by the junction with the main road it would be a certain position and then I knew exactly where on the dual carriageway it would at the 12 o'clock position.  This happened regardless of the time of year.

When I saw my temp gauge do something different, I knew my stat was on the way out.  And sure enough on removing the old stat on Saturday, it had leaked wax and was more than on it's way out.

I reckon my problems started at the end of October when I heard gurgling noises from deep in the dash, which will have been an air lock in the heater matrix.  This wasn't helped or was indeed caused by the fact that air could get in and coolant could get out from the thermostat housing. I noticed this leak at the end of November.  I then didn't loose to much coolant during December but kept a close eye on it.

Referring back to earlier posts.  It does absolutely pay to have the right tool for the job.  When both me and my dad struggled last weekend hitting it with a 2lbs lump hammer, my dad was saying that we should not have to hit a Precision (German) Engineered Car with a club hammer!  - Correct tool next weekend - 5 mins later - fan off!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 14:05
My faulty thermostat must have been getting worse over many months. I drove the car from cold for the first time since renewing the thermostat and was surprised that it began to get warm after 3/10ths of a mile and had already left the blue sector on the scale at 7/10ths of a mile. It soon approached the 12.0 clock position and stayed there. I understand that any fluctuations in temperature are smoothed out in the electronics to maintain the 12.0 clock position.
OK, so you may say "So What?" but I don't remember it ever getting this warm so quickly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 05:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 04:29

Nice one Andrew.

One thing I've learned over the last few years is that there's no substitute for the right tools.

Glad you've got it sorted - must be very satisfying.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 04:18
Well done Andrew!
With these BMWs there is more work in getting to the problem than the problem itself. (Unlike my long gone 1933 Ford 8 and 1939 Rover 20 sports where one could almost stand inside the engine bay whilst working).
I felt like renewing the belts and water pump whilst it was all bare but was too anxious to get her back on the road.
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