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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 31-October-2005 at 07:00 |
Hi there, i am involved with the Ametech Engine Restore Oil project as a Director of Ametech, so I know my recommendation is slanted, but here is a letter we received from from John Morgan of PRESTIGE GERMAN CARS THE INDEPENDENT SPECIALIST FOR BMW, MERCEDES BENZ, PORSCHE. 0191-456-6623 http://www.prestige-german-cars.co.uk Hi Dave, Just to say how good Ametech Engine Restore Oil proved to be in a BMW 530i V8. These V8 engines fitted to earlier 5 series and 7 series are renowned for bore wear. We told the customer he would require a new bottom end to cure his fault (short motor £2500). I then saw Ametech and bought it. With the customers authority we put it in his engine with new oil and filter and told him to run it and return after 500 miles. We were amazed at the result. That is why I am ordering more and giving the customers an option – a new bottom end £2500 or a can or two of Ametech. All have said ‘Ametech’ please…Regards JRMorgan (owner) April 2005 |
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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 31-October-2005 at 07:11 |
I am sorry, I forgot to answer the last question on how Ametech works. The CSL particles are copper silver and lead (CSL) in a microscopic matrix. under an electron microscope they look like chocolate maltesers, or space asteroids. they are from 2microns to 20 microns in diameter and because they are smooth they even pass easily through standard 8micron paper filters. the larger particles are first to be adsorbed and absorbed into the scratches (whereever there is heat and friction) and become burnished into the cylinder walls, crank shell bearings, camshaft bushings etc etc. upon dissassembly you can see what is left of the CSl particles as a mottled metal surface, bright silver, dull gray lead and shiny copper - a few years back the Porsche mechanics at Le Mans thought it was 'rust' and were going to hone it out until our guy pointed out that the CSL was the reason the engines had not worn or slowed at all during the race and in fact the lap times confirmed it: the last lap was the same time as the first lap (unheard of before RESTORE CSL). there are some pictures of the CSL particles on the ebay RESTORE BMW site if you are interested. thks daveb |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 12-November-2005 at 06:55 |
Fascinating.....
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Peter Fenwick
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: Lost somewhere in time... Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
Posted: 12-November-2005 at 12:38 |
Well if this stuff can genuinly repair a nikasil engine then it must be good. I would be very interested if anyone on the forum is having Nikasil trouble and would like to try it.
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 12-November-2005 at 14:02 |
£40 for a litre can, though ....and that would be my size for a 3.5-litre engine |
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 17-November-2005 at 06:08 |
I spoke with them at the NEC and it does appear to be good stuff. I have yet to discuss it with my mechanic.
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 17-November-2005 at 15:01 |
-don't fix it if it ain't broke yet, anyone....? I'd use it in a knackered Nikasil engine, but only if I had to, nothing to lose etc. Is it my imagination, or has 'oilman' been silent on this one (possibly acting on the 'if you can't say anything nice...' axiom....?? cheers
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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 26-November-2005 at 09:32 |
Hi Peter, I am a director of Ametech that is importing and distributing the RESTORE OIL here in the UK so my opinion is slanted. But I became a distributor by first using RESTORE in 8 vehicles whilst in the USA for 20 years. When I returned to the UK it was not here so I started importing it. It the USA it is stocked in 800 Walmarts and 600 KMarts and they do not tolerate fools lightly but no refunds or returns in sales exceeding 120 million cans since 1985. Each 250ml can contains a high grade engine oil carrying one billion CSL particles CSL = copper silver lead. under an electron micrsoscope they look like chocolate maltesers or space asteroids. they are only 2-20 microns in diameter). It is these CSL spheres that get smashed and burnished into the scratches in the cylinder walls and main and conrod bearings to renew or 'restore' the engine in under 1000 miles. the engine dimensions return to approx 97% of new specifications. the engine is therefore a worn engine that has been made mechanically restored by a metal treatment process. Metal Treatments are the hottest thing in breakthrough technology. get used to them, you'll see more in the future. 100:1 savings over mechanical repairs. no downtime. disadvantages : metal treatments cannot repair broken parts (YET). thanks dave burnett Ametech Engine Restore Oil (mobile 07771-558800) http://stores.ebay.co.uk/AMETECH-ENGINE-RESTORE-OIL/ letter received from John Morgan of PRESTIGE GERMAN CARS THE INDEPENDENT SPECIALIST FOR BMW, MERCEDES BENZ, PORSCHE. 0191-456-6623 http://www.prestige-german-cars.co.uk Hi Dave, Just to say how good Ametech Engine Restore Oil proved to be in a BMW 530i V8. These V8 engines fitted to earlier 5 series and 7 series are renowned for bore wear. We told the customer he would require a new bottom end to cure his fault (short motor £2500). I then saw Ametech and bought it. With the customers authority we put it in his engine with new oil and filter and told him to run it and return after 500 miles. We were amazed at the result. That is why I am ordering more and giving the customers an option – a new bottom end £2500 or a can or two of Ametech. All have said ‘Ametech’ please… Regards JRMorgan (owner) April 2005 |
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Robmw
Really Senior Member I Joined: 29-August-2005 Location: Epping Status: Offline Points: 311 |
Posted: 26-November-2005 at 12:31 |
What about using it in new or nearly new engines? Would you weaken the ratio of 1 litre = 1 can., Also whilst it is good when first poured in , does its improvement tail off in the 6,000 miles between oil changes ?
Is this a one off treatment ? In the 70's straight 50 oil was available and this would quieten the noisiest of engines |
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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 28-November-2005 at 10:31 |
Range Rover dealers use £27 of RESTORE in new V8 engines to avoid a £600 hydraulic tappet warranty repair, so yes you can use in new engines (after the running in period of course). The engine is permanently repaired. the effect does not wear off in 6000 miles. The engine does wear like a new car 1/10,000" per year so if you put one can of RESTORE in once a year the engine is kept in perfect condition. I was at Weltmeisters at Silverstone yesterday for the Porsche Club of Great Britain dyno day. The Secretary of the Cambridge chapter of PCGB, Steve Twin bought 2 cans of RESTORE from me at the NEC Classic Car Show. His base dyno on his 3.2 carrera was 220 bhp one month ago. He added the RESTORE and drove a 100 miles to get to Weltmeisters and then strapped his Carrera down and ran three consecutive power curves at 244 bhp. It seems to be 24bhp gain for £27 of RESTORE. He is going to do another dyno at 500 miles and again at 1000 miles and I fully expect his engine to return to the original 260 bhp that Porsche rates for this engine. The problem with 50 weight oil is that you trade off mpg when you use thicker oil. RESTORE actually repairs the engine. thks dave
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eta.
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 599 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 05:52 |
What are the address details for 'Restore's' manufacturer? Are there any independent accredited professional test results?
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sleeper
Really Senior Member II Original and STILL best Joined: 26-March-2004 Location: East Sussex/Kent border Status: Offline Points: 2098 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 06:23 |
The science looks sound to me and I can't think of any components of the M52 & M54 that could suffer from this treatment... I assume this is an additive that must be removed with an oilchange after a few K and resume normal oil grades? |
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sleeper
Really Senior Member II Original and STILL best Joined: 26-March-2004 Location: East Sussex/Kent border Status: Offline Points: 2098 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 06:31 |
Hang about though... That porker quote; a loose engine will always develop more power (bhp) than a tight one! I reckon theres more to that story than a can of additive. |
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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 13:39 |
RESTORE INC makes the CSL particles in Switzerland every springtime using cheap hydr electricity, and the oil blending is done in Restore factories in Miami Florida, and Antwerp Belgium (owned facilities). It is our product, no-one blends it for us, we blend it. In 1985 the US Government approved ATI's (top government laboratory in East Liberty Ohio USA) independent evaluation of RESTORE OIL. On the other matter of loose engine I suggest you chat with Steve Twin at Porsche Club of Great Britain, or John Morgan of Prestige German Cars, I have given you John's website and phone number above. He is one of only a few people who are Certified BMW Master Mechanics in the UK. thanks dave
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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 13:46 |
30% by volum will repair any worn engine or manual gearbox or standard differential. 5% by oil volume is a good maintenance dose. Yes, you can leave RESTORE in the engine all year round to repair any damage as it happens. you don't have to drain it out. The RESTORE particles are mostly used up by the next oil change though. I always keep 5% RESTORE by oil volume in all our vehicles year round. thanks dave
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Karlp
Really Senior Member I Joined: 21-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 17:49 |
Please explain how copper, lead and silver particles have the same hardness value as hardened steel used in a differential or gearbox |
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Jason01
Newbie Joined: 08-September-2005 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 29-November-2005 at 20:59 |
Since when has it been desireable to have smooth burnished cylinder walls??? Cylinder bores are usually finish honed with a deliberate pattern of fine cross hatch scratches to retain oil, if your product does what you say you'd end up with a smooth bore similar to what you'd see in a worn engine. Of course I could just be out of date in my thinking, the last thing I read on cylinder honing was in "Tuning for Speed" by Phil Irving, designer of the Vincent, so please feel free to enlighten me. Some bike racers allegedley used to urinate into an open cylinder and leave it to stand until corrosion had achieved the desired fine pitting of the cylinder wall, or maybe thats just an urban myth ;)
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enginerestore
Newbie Joined: 21-October-2005 Location: framlingham Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: 30-November-2005 at 07:57 |
...the cylinder walls do not become smooth with RESTORE. I am talking about burnishing at a microscopic level. After RESTORE the honing is untouched and still clearly visible, which is of course what holds the lube on the cylinder walls. ....also, the 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, and 8 cylinder cans, are the same oil in easy to understand cans only for the American market.
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Karlp
Really Senior Member I Joined: 21-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 354 |
Posted: 02-December-2005 at 07:39 |
Please explain how copper, lead and silver particles have the same hardness value as hardened steel used in a differential or gearbox.
I ask the question again.
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sleeper
Really Senior Member II Original and STILL best Joined: 26-March-2004 Location: East Sussex/Kent border Status: Offline Points: 2098 |
Posted: 02-December-2005 at 07:54 |
Karl, was that brinell or what?
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