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215DMX 
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 Posted: 10-May-2005 at 09:46 |
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Get all your suspension, arb bushes etc and
geometry checked first before you blame the car.
Just to be sure everthing is as it should be.
Most modern cars are set-up for understeer as it is,
it is possible to change things to counteract this.
Adjustable ARB's, you can alter your geometry on the
rear, front top mounts etc. to gain extra camber/
caster - but it's all a comprimise as then you will
most likley feel the road manners have suffered,
tramlining, tyre wear etc.
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SHEPSM3
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Joined: 26-December-2004
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 09:47 |
 __Andy__ wrote:
Any ideas? Have I bought an overweight hairdresser's car in the mistaken belief that a bit of development was done on the racetrack?
Andy
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Sell it and buy an E30! 
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lancelotII
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 09:49 |
I can well imagine its an emotive subject!
22nd May?
Would that be just be an evening ?..If so, what time would I need to be there?
Are you on the full circuit?
Thats enough questions for now.....
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Sorry, June 22nd, Track normally opens at 5pm and it's on the Indy circuit, which is nice.
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brybusa
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 09:54 |
lancelotII wrote:
I can well imagine its an emotive subject!
22nd May?
Would that be just be an evening ?..If so, what time would I need to be there?
Are you on the full circuit?
Thats enough questions for now.....
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Sorry, June 22nd, Track normally opens at 5pm and it's on the Indy circuit, which is nice. |
Right, so if I ask for half a days hols on the 22nd you'll def take me for a whazz on the track?...and then go out for a spin on the back of my Hayabusa?!...Road or track!
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Houlbt
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 10:00 |
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lancelotII
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 10:01 |
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I'll definately take you out in the car, I'll pass on the bike though, thanks......
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brybusa
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 10:10 |
lancelotII wrote:
I'll definately take you out in the car, I'll pass on the bike though, thanks...... |
Thanks, ive asked for half a days hols..cant wait!
Cheers
B
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brybusa
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 10:25 |
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lancelott, whats the full spec of your car mate?
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lancelotII
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 11:04 |
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It's a road car that pretty much gets used on track and for not much more, so it's still trimmed (doesn't have the stolen and recovered look...) Suspension is Leda Coilovers all round with uprated bushes and front/rear strut braces, Brakes are AP 4 pots at the front and standard rears, but with semi-race pads. Engine wise it's stock apart from a pair of Schricks and custom remap which gives about 220bhp on a good day. Wheels wise, I run 15x8 Compomotives with Yoko A032's (these are probably going to be replaced with Avon ACB10's shortly as they are getting a bit thin).
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brybusa
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Posted: 10-May-2005 at 11:18 |
Excellent...Add a pair of bucket seats,harness and a roll cage for me please!
Ive stuck the date in the calander, thanks again.
PS..I also lurk around the e30zone (used to have a 325)and often meet up with some of the e30 lads @ the Ace Cafe..So give us a shout if you pop down to one of the meets down there
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bhp555
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Posted: 11-May-2005 at 16:27 |
......what's the deal to join in at Brands??
.......I'm at Donnington in the morning of 22nd, (Ron Haslam race school on a fireblade) so I'll be bang up for a tear around Brands in my hairdresser's car later that day.......got the day booked off already.....Shirley things couldn't be that simple........
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DAWIEM3
Really Senior Member I
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 03:39 |
Well,
Some intresting thoughts and similar feelings. I would never track my E36 for the very reasons that have been posted. It was never meant to be a track car, whereas the E30 was a designed to go racing with.
One needs to think as to what the car was orginally designed for, as to how well it will perform on track. A heavy weight motorway cruiser is not going to be nimble around corners, and will strain braking components with repertive heavy braking. Its also can be simple, courses for horses.
Long motorway trips, comfort, refinement etc = E36
Sprints round tight corners, track work, back roads, driver enjoyment = E30
See you on the 22nd at Brands, and off to the Ring the following morning. Life`s great.
Regards,
Dave.
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E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong )
E30 M3 Track Car
S14 2.0L 2002 in progress
E30 C2 2.7 Alpina
E36 M3 3.2 EVO
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UweM3
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 05:13 |
The bit I can never understand is the statement of the E30 M3 was bulid for racing. It's just an E30 shell with some added track width and some minor suspension mods. So how is that "desigend" for race?
Maybe it's the whole package which counts and I am sure if you would do the same to the E36 shell it would perform adequate on track.
When I sometimes drive my girls E36 318iS I am quite impressed with the handling, just a bit more power is needed.
When the brown cancer has taken my E30 away from me  I will transplant the S14 into that, just to prove a point!
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Tim_M3
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 05:21 |
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Well yes you can modify anything and make it work on the track.
I think the point is the E30 M3s left the factory far more suited to track work than the E36s did.
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DAWIEM3
Really Senior Member I
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 06:01 |
Uwe,
If BMW did not develope the E30 M3 to go racing, why did they just not use the standard E30 shell with the S14 in. Somewhere I`ve read that the E30 M3 was developed with the intent to go racing with it, as the old 635`s were gettiing on in years, and were no longer competertive.
I will try and dig up where I read this.
Regards,
Dave
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E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong )
E30 M3 Track Car
S14 2.0L 2002 in progress
E30 C2 2.7 Alpina
E36 M3 3.2 EVO
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skull
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 06:26 |
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tyres make and type can help under/oversteer.
i had some (cant remmember make ) tyres on my old car and got massive amounts of understeer, changed them to pilot sports and WOW could not believe the difference massive grip and well balanced .
tyres are what is between you and the floor so why so many people forget about tyre make and type. and blame other things.
some people say the E46 m3 brakes are rubbish on track but i have had no problems yet.
mine is all standard.
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just a little crazy.
My drive
E46 M3 COUPE [MAN]CARBON BLACK GREY LEATHER H/K 19"s LED REARS S/B.
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UweM3
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 06:35 |
DAWIEM3 wrote:
Uwe,
If BMW did not develope the E30 M3 to go racing, why did they just not use the standard E30 shell with the S14 in. Somewhere I`ve read that the E30 M3 was developed with the intent to go racing with it, as the old 635`s were gettiing on in years, and were no longer competertive.
I will try and dig up where I read this.
Regards,
Dave |
Ok let me re-phrase my comment a little.
In my opinion they MODIFIED an existing car (the shell is hardly touched) to have a good base car for racing.
Developed for Racing is in my opinion something like the Radikal or GT40 or the like.
Whatever, they have done a good job 
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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215DMX
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 06:59 |
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Uwe said
"When the brown cancer has taken my E30 away
from me I will transplant the S14 into that, just to
prove a point!"
As i can't seem to sell my old engine, i have been
considering keeping it now, and next year getting a
early e36 LHD plenty in Germany for £700-£800 and
doing just that, or even a Compact ...
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DAWIEM3
Really Senior Member I
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 10:53 |
Dave,
I have a carbon E36 S14 airbox, with additional ports for injectors if you go that route. Let me know, or I willl end up modifying it and using it on my 2.0L S14 2002 M2 project.
Regards,
Dave
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E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong )
E30 M3 Track Car
S14 2.0L 2002 in progress
E30 C2 2.7 Alpina
E36 M3 3.2 EVO
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andrewc
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Posted: 12-May-2005 at 11:07 |
Hi All
Well...Im sorry to say..but what an absolute load of old guff  ...an E36 M3 a hairdressers car?? rubbish on the track?? Naah...DONT THINK SO!
Although Im fairly new to the M3 owners club I have driven my friends E36 Evo at a track day in addition to the Toyota Supra I used to have. Ive also had numerous fast bikes and track dayed them all at some time (to the gent who started this thread!).
Ok, so my friend has done a reasonable amount of work on his car (suspension, ECU Remap etc) and it does have quality tyres on it from what I can remember (Pilot SLs I think?) but it was an excellent track day car even when compared to my last Jap import Supra TT.
You know what they say about a bad workman blaming his tools and all that!
If you cant go fast in an M3 you will struggle in most cars in my humble opinion....
CHeers 
Edited by andrewc
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Shock horror, E36 M3 3.2 rubbish on track
