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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 06:36

What difference does the speed make ?..140MPH on open roads or  blatting past other drivers/riders on B roads?

Either are potentialy dangerous...You and I wasnt there to see either, so cant past judgement

On one occasion it wasnt you driving, so it wasnt OK, the other you was driving and you judged it to be OK

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 07:16

Can't say I've ever noticed anyone "having a go" when I'm out in the M3, but the other day on the way home from work a cooking Escort seemed to be trying it on against me on my 'bike.  Two consecutive sets of traffic lights not all that far apart, both times he took off with a squeal of tyres... then had to stop 200yds down the road for the next set of lights.

I filtered off through the traffic and left him to his stop-start fun.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 07:52

Originally posted by Stone-IslandM3 Stone-IslandM3 wrote:

Don't forget the E46 330s which will invariably have a go cos their cars newer so must be better/faster.

Ive got a 330 and I dont make a habit of racing M3's, be they E 30,36 or 46.

Once youve tried (and failed) once, you soon learn to stay in your own playground.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 08:03
I actually met a 330 cab owner in the SE who stretches the legs of his car last night, how refreshing - fantastic little rip through the ashdown forest - cheers whoever you were....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 08:58
Originally posted by brybusa brybusa wrote:

Originally posted by Stone-IslandM3 Stone-IslandM3 wrote:

Plod have taken to sporadically sitting on the bridge just past landrover but they're usually pointing up the hill to catch those exiting the oval roundabout then flooring it down the hill.


 


Coasting will be pleased....do they just "zap" people or pull them over as well?


Is it a van or "proper" traffic plod?



Both but mainly un-proper bored council employees. The thing with that road is theres nowehere for them to sit and pull you over in either direction,too many junction opportunities.

But hey I've just got a N.I.P thru for 40 in a 30 in my van!!! Can't even remember seeing a man with a gun (if they send out NIPs does that make them NIPples?)so am gonna contest cos I'm usually near-religious on the road in Q.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 10:32

Brybusa & still_looking

You are missing the point completely.

We are talking about someone openly admitted to 'racing' at 140mph on a public road!!!!!!!

I was talking about over taking a couple of motor-trikes on an incline with two changedowns for christs sake!!!

I don't have to be there to know there is marked difference between that and someone doing 140mph in a race on a public road!!!

The guy said it himself!!!!!

Sorry, but you're condoning 140mph races on public roads, plain and simple and that is nothing but tantamount to lunacy!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 11:47
Dull... am bored of this subject now, please stop.

My car looks fast standing still and I know that it would take something pretty out of the ordinary to make me look slow on track. That's enough for me

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 12:41
Tom.....well said,

I thought the topic was going to be closed but it hung on in there.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 12:55
Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Brybusa & still_looking

You are missing the point completely.

We are talking about someone openly admitted to 'racing' at 140mph on a public road!!!!!!!

I was talking about over taking a couple of motor-trikes on an incline with two changedowns for christs sake!!!

I don't have to be there to know there is marked difference between that and someone doing 140mph in a race on a public road!!!

The guy said it himself!!!!!

Sorry, but you're condoning 140mph races on public roads, plain and simple and that is nothing but tantamount to lunacy!

 

Sorry Coasting im not condoning anything, it is you who is missing the point. You are attacking a fellow poster for the way he drives be it racing or just high speed. You can only criticise others if you are the type of driver who sticks to the speed limits and all other road laws, which you obviously are not. That is my point, below is a quote from another of your posts.

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Have a drive through the 50 zone at the Washington Services,heard a few people have been caught by the mobile camera van that sits on the central reservation.They just thought it was a works van.

What?  Where!  Jesus!

I drive past there every single day - twice.

I have yet to see a single mobile camera van though.  Not once, and I've never had a beep from the RAII or a ticket through the post, nothing whatsoever.....and I haven't stuck to 50mph either, and far from it on some occasions.



Edited by Coasting on 04-May-2005 at 19:29

 

Perhaps this topic should be closed before it spirals down any lower, sorry for my contribution towards it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 12:57
Coasting's a star-should be on TV, admittedly some of his views rub people up the wrong way and gets a bit back-and-forth but closing a topic cos someone finds it boring?

Isnt a forum like TV, if its boring don't watch it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 14:28

Stone, you've hit on a point, it's just another example of how some people on here don't like it when someone else has an opinion that they don't share.

People seem to fail to have grasped the concept of a forum as being for discussion.  If someone doesn't agree with me I see little use of intelligence in a response that says "boring", "dull" etc....

Those that can find no argument FOR doing 140mph racing another vehicle on public roads seem to think that quoting me for exceeding the speed limit counters the argument.

Well I'm sorry guys, but it doesn't.  If I do 60 mph in a 50 limit, or even 70, then I'm not doing DOUBLE the speed limit in that zone!  Yes I am breaking the law, but it doesn't mean I can't comment on those that break it at double the legal limit - whilst racing another vehicle.

This topic was started about racing, so the subject matter isn't off topic - so why do some users think they have a right to demand it be locked?

You can either engage in debate or you can try to put me down for having a different opinion.  Personally, I'd prefer people to debate - but that doesn't seem to be what most people want to do on here.

They seem to wants boys to join their manic little yes-men club, and frankly that defines boring much more aptly than any of the analogies given to the word above.

So how about some of you debate the topic instead of contributing one liners - or if that takes too much effort then why not leave it to others to contribute something of meaningful context.

At least still_looking does a bit of research into the subject matter, whilst I argue it is missing the point still - but the plethora of one or two liners commenting on how dull this is does nothing but change a forum into a Lycos like chat room where the subject matter doesn't move forwards.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 14:43
I'm more than happy to see a reasonable debate but it does get a bit tedious when the same points seem to be being made time after time.

Also I wasn't demanding the thread be locked but expressing the view that I expected it to turn into a slanging match that then broke the forum rules and got locked. It is a credit to those involved that the posts kept above that.

For the record I agree with Coasting that racing on the public road is crazy and reaching speeds of 140mph is totally unacceptable.



 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 15:12

Originally posted by Houlbt Houlbt wrote:

My car looks fast standing still and I know that it would take something pretty out of the ordinary to make me look slow on track. That's enough for me .

On it's own, that speaks volumes and I completely agree with it.

If you drive a fast car, you know you do and why anyone deems it necessary to race on a public road is beyond me.

Perhaps they feel they have something to prove?

Why rise to the bait they offer?  It just encourages more of them to bait more people - and the problem will never go away.

To do it on a track is something altogether different.  It's the right arena, the right circumstances and you're doing it with the same purpose of those that share the track with you - hence no problems at all. 

I've no kill-joy, in fact far from it as those that have met me on a club meet will hopefully confirm.  I drive quickly and safely - and I open my car up where the conditions permit - but certainly never to anything near double the speed limit and certainly not racing any other vehicle, fast or not.

It's not my intention to ruin people's fun and love of their vehicles - but I do object to people bragging about reckless driving.

I hope that sets the record straight once and for all (in terms of what my view of this is).



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 15:34
I would agree with that also - see my previous post back a bit.  Those guys paid a serious price and they were nowhere near speeds of 140mph.

As I said also - I wouldn't be an angel on the road and there are times when I deserved to be nabbed, and if I had been well it would have been deserved. BTW its always been well below 140mph and I think its unfair to latch on 140 as anything plus 90 is really covering ground very quickly and needs a controlled environment for any degree of safety.

One critical thing here is racing. If you're racing your focus is not on those around you but on the guy behind and the fastest route ahead.  Your focus will be several points / manouvers ahead - not in the present.  At 140mph the car is travelling at 205 feet/second 60m/sec. If granny in her micra looks down for her handbag and swerves into your lane while mentally you are four cars ahead - its curtains.

That said though - chavs, BMW Drivers, Poker dirvers, whatever can be just as lethal on the road well below the speed limit with stupid actions and showing off.  Speed limits are subjective, I drive a lot in Germany and cover the Autobahns at speed, the difference here is that the other dirvers are expecting cars at speed and are more alert and aware of whats happening.

Users on the road, driving at the speed limit are not expecting traffic coming from behind to be moving at twice their speed. That makes for a lethal situation.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Thats my 2p worth anyway,  and all because coasting called for some intelligent debate.
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Originally posted by BM Fan BM Fan wrote:

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Thats my 2p worth anyway,  and all because coasting called for some intelligent debate.

Thank you - intelligent debate delivered.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 15:44
Well, I have never done 140mph, and have no desire to do such. I would agree that there is no place where such a speed would be acceptable, but then this is a democratic country where people are free to choose how they drive. Nobody can say they have never broken the speed limit, its just that some choose to exceed it to a much greater extent than others - they then choose to accept the risk of a) getting caught, banned and possibly imprisoned, or b) causing an accident, killing an innocent and definitely getting imprisoned. If people choose this course of action then that is their look out, I personally choose to look after my licence a little better. Again I'm not saying I'm blameless, I do break the limits occasionally and one day I may well be brought to task for that. However the potential consequences for doing 40 in a 30 are much less daunting than those for doing 140 in a 70.

I do have one neat and succinct suggestion for those of us who simply cannot keep their foot off the loud pedal. Buy yourself a chevette and then you just know the police will never catch you doing any more than 85!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 16:46

As you say Coasting people have different opinions the world would be a boring place without them. As for doing 140 mph, well yes I have on a nice straight quite stretch of road after a nightshift, sometimes its nice to open her up after all whats the point of having an M car apart from the eye candy side.

No I wouldnt go racing someone else at that speed because I know my own limits, if someone pushes me the nearest to it would be to accelerate away then slow down and let them pass rather sheepishly. I must admit it is sometimes nice to cruise along the motorway around 65mph and just let everyone else pass, for some strange reason you get better satisfaction than if you are passing everyone else probably because thats what they expect you to do.

Before you say what am I doing driving at high speed after a night shift (being tired and all that) I am very awake due to just having a shower etc.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-May-2005 at 17:16

Originally posted by still looking still looking wrote:

Before you say what am I doing driving at high speed after a night shift (being tired and all that) I am very awake due to just having a shower etc.

I won't say that because you're not bragging about racing someone.

As Doive said it is up to individuals what they do after all, but I was commenting on the very specific circumstances of daylight, racing and 140mph - not each of them individually. 

I'm far from an angel, otherwise I'd buy a Micra, but it's the ethic of racing others on the roads that I think is the most dangerous thing of all.  I suspect most people grow out of it anyway and once they have children it always adds a new perspective to things as well.

Perhaps I'm just getting very old at 36.  Or is that I am old at 36. 

Whichever it is...I'd like to see 37, 38, 39 etc etc so I leave my 'jaunts in gear' to open country lanes where I can see down onto them into the distance and to private roads where I'm lucky enough to be able to get access to and unleash the engine properly.

When you look at the feet or metres covered per second, as highlighted earlier, it certainly puts possible reaction times into perspective too.

I guess I just don't want myself or my family to create or be victim to any nasty statistics more than anything.

 

 

 



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Check this out ..

(Coasting .. you'll love this one)

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120 in a 40 and a NIP in the post ... you got OWNED baby! ... Got to be worth a stint in Belmarsh.

 



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