Bavarian-Board.co.uk - BMW Owners Discussion Forum Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Technical & Model Specific Forums > BMW ///M Power
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - E46 M3 vs 330Ci Sport
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Forum LockedE46 M3 vs 330Ci Sport

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 8>
Author
Message
Von Paulus View Drop Down
Banned User
Banned User
Avatar
Cruisin’ the Reeperbahn

Joined: 17-March-2005
Location: Hamburg and UK!
Status: Offline
Points: 118
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 17:42
And getting cheaper!

Intereresting fact - a new M3 today has a base price
of £39'000.
The Sport Evo I had was £38'000........in 1990! Cars
today are cheaper than they've ever been. I think the
M3 for under £40k is a bargain - you've got to spend
another 20-30 grand for a 911 that'll come close to
the E46.
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Coasting View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar
www.TOTALTORQUE.net

Joined: 05-February-2005
Location: Not with the two-faced bloke.
Status: Offline
Points: 2125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 17:50

You can't properly compare an E46 M3 with a Porsche 911 - and for one very good reason.

One is a true 4 seater, the other is a 2 seater sports car.

I love my M3, but I've said it on here before that if I didn't want to take the family on summer hood-down trips out.....I'd take a 911 over an M3 without hesitation.

They're just different animals for the seating alone.

You'd get a very basic M3 for £39k mind you, even after haggling.

You're right though, for £40k there is nothing to match it (unless you want an Audi S4 of course, but they're for girls only...).



Edited by Coasting


Now with FREE HPI CHECK and FREE GLASSES GUIDE VALUATIONS for all members!

Back to Top
pma1ums View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar

Joined: 12-October-2004
Location: central uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1148
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 18:06
Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Ah, early or high milers for age, I see.  They must be low on spec too I'd guess (although perhaps the 02 is a bit higher)?

£24k is about as low as it gets (as you say ignoring screen price which you'd always do anyway) for a dealer sold model, but it's a lot of smiles for the money!

 

 

very true  excellent smiles per pound i coundnt agree more ....but as stoneisland points out ..asking price is very diffrent from the cars acutal sale price ....its been as mad as a hatter since the new launch of the 3  [the market doesnt know where its at with e 46 pricing] ...ive seen a late 02 plate m3 top spec sold today at just below 20k ..and there was nothing wrong with it ..ok i admit thats a trade price ..but even in the trade thats well below what its worth ..  the world is going mad

its a dogs world out there
Back to Top
Coasting View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar
www.TOTALTORQUE.net

Joined: 05-February-2005
Location: Not with the two-faced bloke.
Status: Offline
Points: 2125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 18:07

Well whoever bought that got an utter bargain - because Glasses have them going UP this month due to BMW confirming they'll go out of production early 2006 and that there'll be a years gap to the E90 M3 in 2007.



Now with FREE HPI CHECK and FREE GLASSES GUIDE VALUATIONS for all members!

Back to Top
pma1ums View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar

Joined: 12-October-2004
Location: central uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1148
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 18:25
Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Well whoever bought that got an utter bargain -

they did .and he has the new owner taking it next week after its been through prep and workshop ...and hes made a very handsome profit

 your spot  on with the glasses guide ...they should go up

its a dogs world out there
Back to Top
Von Paulus View Drop Down
Banned User
Banned User
Avatar
Cruisin’ the Reeperbahn

Joined: 17-March-2005
Location: Hamburg and UK!
Status: Offline
Points: 118
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 18:30
Who cares if they are going out of production - that
just means they will become 'the old model', soon to
be replaced by a better one. Sorry guys, but there is
only one way the values of the E46 are going, just as
the E36 did.
Mind you, if the M5 is anything to go by, I'll stick with
the old one! E39 M5 is sooo horny. The new one
sounds good but is still a bit too ugly for me. As well
as too expensive.
Back to Top
Coasting View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar
www.TOTALTORQUE.net

Joined: 05-February-2005
Location: Not with the two-faced bloke.
Status: Offline
Points: 2125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2005 at 18:34

Well you know better than the trade at this moment in time then.

Of course they'll go down, eventually.  However, the old 5-series actually took a slight rise on release of the new 5 too - because people didn't take to it's looks initially.

Naturally that subsided relatively quickly, but right now I can only go on the facts and that's precisely what I've written.

Upon the opportunity for buyers to confirm specs on the E90 M3 (expected to be around September 2006) then yes the E46 will show signs of steeper decline.  Until then, well let's wait and see.

Ultimately, I don't buy my cars as investments (because only a fool would for the return you're likely to get on even the wisest of spent capital on cars), but it's always nice to hear that depreciation is slower or on the upward.



Now with FREE HPI CHECK and FREE GLASSES GUIDE VALUATIONS for all members!

Back to Top
Von Paulus View Drop Down
Banned User
Banned User
Avatar
Cruisin’ the Reeperbahn

Joined: 17-March-2005
Location: Hamburg and UK!
Status: Offline
Points: 118
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:12
Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Well you know better than the
trade at this moment in time then.


.



I AM in the trade old boy. Buying cars is what I do,
and the E46 M3 is on the way down, down, down!!

They won't depreciate as fast as the E36 did though
so don't expect to see them for £10'000 anytime
soon.

Actually, the E39 took a hell of a hit when the E60
came out. Late model E46 saloons are already in
trouble.

Hmmm, old model 6 cylinder M3 or new model V8?
Now that's a tough choice!!

As for depreciation, my 1998 750i wrote the book!
Back to Top
pma1ums View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar

Joined: 12-October-2004
Location: central uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1148
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:39

von     ..sorry but have to disagree ..yep your right the e46 M range will drop in money  ....but not down down down ..yes ive seen a few go through the doors [auction] at cheap money .but thats mearly because the odd dealer was wanting rid quickly .and wanting new money to put in to other cars [cashflow]

and the other one that went for a song   was an early 01 plate .that found its way out of the bmw network.hence an M car with little history = dealer had it on the pitch for 5 weeks ..not a sole intrested.so passed on through the pearly doors of auction as he doesnt keep stock in longer than 5 weeks

but they must be wanted as only the trade can buy at these places..so the cars are going back in to the market .for a retrial.and by judging on some my freinds faces when there bid was taken ..iam sure there happy bunnys and have found buyers for them before they placed the money on the car

if your in the trade that 750 of yours was had for a song to i bet .

 i would have never wanted to be the first owner of a 750 ....ouch that hurts

 

its a dogs world out there
Back to Top
Von Paulus View Drop Down
Banned User
Banned User
Avatar
Cruisin’ the Reeperbahn

Joined: 17-March-2005
Location: Hamburg and UK!
Status: Offline
Points: 118
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:49
True. 750i was £88 big ones new, bought it 2 yrs old
for rather less than half that. Worth about 2p and a
button now with 123'000 on the clock

It's just that Coasting's comment about values rising
when they go out of production make me fall off my
chair laughing. He should be on TV!
Back to Top
northerner View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 04-April-2005
Location: Up North
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:53

Thanks for your replies, but one possibly silly question - does the M3 have 4 or 5 seats? 

Back to Top
northerner View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 04-April-2005
Location: Up North
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 04:57
Also which is the best to own and run - E39 M5 or E46 M3? 
Back to Top
pma1ums View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar

Joined: 12-October-2004
Location: central uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1148
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 05:06

Originally posted by northerner northerner wrote:

Also which is the best to own and run - E39 M5 or E46 M3? 

e46 m3    =best to own

 

e39 m5 = best to run

 

its a dogs world out there
Back to Top
Coasting View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar
www.TOTALTORQUE.net

Joined: 05-February-2005
Location: Not with the two-faced bloke.
Status: Offline
Points: 2125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 06:34
Originally posted by northerner northerner wrote:

Thanks for your replies, but one possibly silly question - does the M3 have 4 or 5 seats? 

Four seats.



Now with FREE HPI CHECK and FREE GLASSES GUIDE VALUATIONS for all members!

Back to Top
Coasting View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar
www.TOTALTORQUE.net

Joined: 05-February-2005
Location: Not with the two-faced bloke.
Status: Offline
Points: 2125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 06:35

Originally posted by Von Paulus Von Paulus wrote:

True. 750i was £88 big ones new, bought it 2 yrs old
for rather less than half that. Worth about 2p and a
button now with 123'000 on the clock

It's just that Coasting's comment about values rising
when they go out of production make me fall off my
chair laughing. He should be on TV!

 

You're obviously just much better informed that anyone else I know.

I bow to your superior knowledge.  Say hi to AndyB too, or is it just easier talking to yourself?

Tell you what, I'll ignore your posts in future - do me the honour of the same please.



Edited by Coasting


Now with FREE HPI CHECK and FREE GLASSES GUIDE VALUATIONS for all members!

Back to Top
MCC1 View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 19-October-2004
Status: Offline
Points: 92
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 06:55

I would have to disagree with everyone here!  I would suggest buy a nice 330Ci Sport and a with the spare money get a really good E30 M3.  I would far rather have both of them than an E46 M3.  330Ci as a comfy, refined but still sporty & fast everyday car and the E30 M3 (and stick on a classic insurance policy that'll only cost you a couple of hundred quid to insure) is THE driving machine.  Great for 'staging', trackdays etc and it won't depreciate.  Whereas the E46 M3 will depreciate a lot.  You can get good E36 M3's for 6k now - and BMW sold loads of E46 M3's so in time they will depreciate as much. 

BTW - I can't wait until they do as I'll buy one in 5 years for about 9k

Back to Top
Italian M3 View Drop Down
Really Senior Member I
Really Senior Member I
Avatar

Joined: 29-April-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 333
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 07:15
I like your thinking MCC1!

Get a nice 330ci and an E30 M3.

When you have a little more money get a supercharger fitted to the 330ci.
I would certainly prefer a 330ci with supercharger that could hold its own
to an E46 M3.

No offence intended, but the E46 M3 is a bit to common for my likeing,
likewise E36 M3!

Still fast at 2Ltrs!! Undercover M3!!
Back to Top
Brett_M5 View Drop Down
Senior Member II
Senior Member II


Joined: 20-May-2003
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 235
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 07:15
ok here's one for you all...

How long would you estimate before the price of E46's reach 15K? 1 year? 2 years? The reason I ask is I want one but my budget is about 15K.
I regularly check the prices on autotrader (not the benchmark I know) and over the last 12 months they have dropped about 5k on average. There are some on there now for 21-22K (low spec maybe) so by next summer my guess is they'll be worth about 15K. Feel free to disagree.
1999 E39 M5
1995 E36 M3 - Sold
Back to Top
pma1ums View Drop Down
Really Senior Member II
Really Senior Member II
Avatar

Joined: 12-October-2004
Location: central uk
Status: Offline
Points: 1148
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 07:36

brett

i would think that next by summer there will be e46 m3s about the 18k mark [in genral circulation ie .auto trader etc]..but i woundnt want to touch a motor for that money as it is doubtfull it will be in nice condition.etc etc they will most probably highly warn ....highly mileage examples that the prestige retailers wont touch

i could be wrong  

your best bet brett[sorry the pun]is to find one thats just come out of the bmw network .[say one indy stamp in the service records].but the owner is wanting to trade it in at a bmw dealership..dealership then either ..trades it straight on.or doesnt take car ...but will offer low ££ to the owner and tell him thats its not worth much etc [dont you just love car saleman].hence as in my prevoius post .you will see  why the odd m3 has gone for a song

its a dogs world out there
Back to Top
beaker View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: 03-January-2005
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 28
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-April-2005 at 08:36

I know many fans will not wish to agree with this but although the M3 is a great car (all versions), there are one hell of a lot of them out there, and also lots of alternatives for someone who doesn't care obout the odd 0.5 on the 0-60 or the BMW m3 badge.  I did a search on AT for an M3 within 100 miles of where i live between £20k and £30k and there were stacks of them being sold ! 

I think the prices will continue to slide fairly quick and can see quite a batch of decent E46 M3's available for £15k to £20k within 18 months.

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 8>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.129 seconds.