Triumph and Disaster
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Printed Date: 02-May-2024 at 18:34
Topic: Triumph and Disaster
Posted By: Sohlman
Subject: Triumph and Disaster
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 10:53
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Hi All six owners. As some of you may be aware i recently fitted an 850 brake conversion on my car. Well the other day i aquired some genuine fully refurbished Alpina's on a 16" with the correct period black centres. All excited i began to fit them, being told that everything would fit. Disaster struck. They fitted untill i did the wheel bolts up which then caused the caliper to touch the wheel. Now i have decided to revert back to original in order to get the wheels on and i am doing this for two reasons. One the genuine Alpinas look so good and two i am not happy with my new brakes. Ok when you stamp on them they hurt you, but around town they have no feeling and a large amount of pedal movement is required in order for them to operate. This is despite uprating the master cylinder to 750 spec. This is no good for me as i spend the majority of time driving around town. So as the title suggests trumph and disaster are there in spades for all to see. Now i have to consider changing or uprating the current discs and pads and also selling my rather large investment into these brakes. -------------  Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: B 7 VP
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 12:36
 Sorry to hear that, BUT--why didnt you Fit 17" Rims to allow for those calipers, or do the 8 series run on 16"??.I wanted to fit an AP setup with My 16" Alpina Rims, But -AP said Not poss, calipers Will Foul rims , Unless you get a Purpose made bracket to allow clearance.------------- SAFETYFAST |
Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 12:49
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The calipers are supposed to fit inside 840/850 16" rims, but they don't fit inside a 7X16" Alpina rim. They touch the rim and the spokes as they protrude about 50mm more than a single pot. I only need about 2mm more room, but i don't want to use spacers and i am not happy with the brakes so will revert back to standard however i will use uprated discs and pads subject to what Barny at ML recomends. I thin the calipers require an 8 or wider combinations to truly fit. I have 17" Alpina replicas at the moment, but the 16 will look better and more period.
------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 17:15
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You know, one of these days we must sit down and work out how many parts you've accumulated, and how much you've spent on your car to date.
By my reckoning, I think you've spent more than me, and I thought I'd spent a lot.... ...and, by the way, mentioning "poor Ross" doesn't count! -------------   
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 18:09
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Poor ross is even poorer now he has two sixes, but they are both excellent ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 18:42
I'm sure his Missus is very understanding....  -------------
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Sohlman wrote:Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 14-April-2004 at 14:45
Here's an engineering opportunity for Sohlman (assuming he's got some spare cash left over...)
Good news: you might be able to acquire that M6 24v engine you always wanted... Bad news: it's being parted out by FAB Direct. Chances are they've sold the vital bits already....! -------------
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 14-April-2004 at 20:11
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Seen it and spoken with FAB already Too late ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: therealmccoy
Date Posted: 14-April-2004 at 21:26
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James, if you are still interested in uprating your brakes, try http://www.hispecmotorsport.co.uk - Hi Spec .
The bloke down there will go through everything before they make them for you. I am going to get a set of Monster 4-pots made up when I get my car back on the road. DawieM3 has a set of Moster 6's on his M3 Racer, and we were outbraking a 996 Porsche @ Brands! Even as a passenger, I was really impressed with the braking, granted it was a racer, but it still was impressive! On a personal note, if you use the car for road use, then I would run spacers. Get the decent Eibach ones, Bexley Motor Works have more info on those, they are very good. HTH, James ------------- Work Harder! A Million Benefit Claimants Depend On YOU! E30 M3, The REAL McCoy! 89 M3 Now Sold 99 323i *FOR SALE* http://www.furzetech.co.uk" rel="nofollow - PC Probs?? Click here! |
Posted By: Brucey
Date Posted: 17-April-2004 at 08:48
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-yeah, spacers has to be the way to go, if you just need 2mm. I am surprised about the spongeyness with your setup, is it possible you need more bleedin' bleeding?
cheers
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 17-April-2004 at 22:55
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Well to fill you in on recent developments i had a long chat with Barney at Munich legends and they feel they can achieve two things. Firstly they can get the 850 brake set up working how i would like it to and secondly they will space and tune up things so the wheels will fit. I have agreed to leave them my car whilst i go away on holiday and they will fidle with it over a week and have it all working as it should. I will write them a blank cheque and hope it's not to exspensive to get things sorted out. Will probable end up with stainless hoses, spacers and new master cylinder seals. I can't wait and don't car now as i want things fixed and up and running. I have not had my car for about two weeks now and thats long enough. ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: kevin
Date Posted: 17-April-2004 at 22:59
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James,
Two tips 1 = Have a good Holiday and 2 = don't look at the Bank statement until you have driven your pride and joy after ML have worked magic on it. ------------- Kevin '04 E46 330Ci Convertible '08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge) ’95 E34 M5 ’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto) |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 18-April-2004 at 00:02
You might be well-advised to instruct a Solicitor specialising in personal bankruptcy, just in case.... We don't want to be losing that lovely fitted kitchen so soon after installing it, now, do we??? -------------
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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 18-April-2004 at 00:50
How do you stay in one peace ? I want lessons !!!!!!!! ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 18-April-2004 at 13:12
I manage  ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 19-April-2004 at 11:22
"Peace"? Surely by remaining "at peace" with himself....
*sigh*... I'll get me coat.... -------------
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 19-April-2004 at 11:29
Are you touting for business horsey? ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 19-April-2004 at 12:23
*kof!* *hack* *splutter!* Me? Tout for business? Errm, hardly - personal bankruptcy is not an area I deal with anyway. I offered my suggestion merely as common-sense advice. And it was free -------------
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 19-April-2004 at 23:07
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well you must owe me some advice for those loverly mud flaps. I'll pay on the credit card and worry about it in a months time. ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: RossM6/635csi
Date Posted: 22-April-2004 at 21:19
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 22-April-2004 at 21:47
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Can't make Sunday as i am on Holiday. But i have some future dates that i need to post up. Am just doing a course this week and after 13 hours can't fancy doing anything else but veg. Will sort out everything on Saturday morning before i fly off. ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 22-April-2004 at 22:07
Ross, I'm sure you've learnt your lesson and now run all your accounts on-line! -------------
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 07-May-2004 at 08:42
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Just though i would pass on some feedback on my rolar coaster of triumph and disaster regarding my brakes and wheels. The Bad news, While the 16" wheels could be made to fit over the 850 brakes it required such a large set of spacers that the wheel could not reach the hub meaning that the wheel would not centre properly. Therefore the wheels would not safely fit over the brakes. Also with the spacers on the wheels stuck out so far they looked very strange. So it was decided to remove the 850 brakes and revert back to standard. The good news I now have my car suited and booted with the proper 16" black centred alpina's and the brakes are working well. one thing i did not bother to take of was the uprated master cylinder from the 750 and i would say the results are very nice as there is no severe pedal movement that all sixes suffer from before the brakes come in. Now the brakes feel much more like a later model e39/e43 car for touching the brake pedal and you feel something there. So i now have the car looking how i want it, but have spent a small fortune on a brake conversion and three months later am back on original brakes.
------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 07-May-2004 at 13:13
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Meanwhile, a set of 7" x 15" E39 "Style 31" alloys has been mysteriously acquired.... -------------
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