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Topic: how fast is your 328 coupe???
Posted By: barf
Subject: how fast is your 328 coupe???
Date Posted: 28-March-2004 at 11:37

how fast is your coupe or saloon?? i recently managed to gather enough forward thrust to hit around 149 mph @ about 5850rpm! coincidentally, that is where the maximum power is produced. please bear in mind that the max speed in this country is 70mph and that the best way to achieve a max speed figure is to leave the country and do it in germany, like i did.....honest. dose the 149mph max speed seem about right for a 328 coupe with a rear spoiler.... and a proven 229 bhp.

one big downside to this extreme exercise is that it don't half drink some fuel!

please be honest! and keep it legal(ish)




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Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 12:56

I have a 328i coupe and am looking a ding some tuning, has yours had some moods and if so what are they as it seems to be difficult to find anything on them - lots for the 325 etc.

The main one seems to be the air intake manifald as this is too restrictive in its standard form.  Costs seem to be in the rgion of €1k for new mainfild and remapped chip.  Reckon it should give 30-40bhp more which is a good hike over my standard 193.



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Martin
In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!)
Previous Models
2001 E39 520i Auto
1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual
1996 E36 328i Coupe
1997 E36 318i Conv
1992 E36 316i Sln



Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 13:24
Have a wee search about - this topic has come up a few times... e.g. http://www.bmwcarclubgb.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5032&KW=328+tuning+manifold - http://www.bmwcarclubgb.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5032&KW=328+tuning+manifold .

Basically you're looking at induction kit (I can recommend the BMC CDA), exhaust, manifold, throttle body and custom mapped chip. 240bhp if you're lucky.

Beyond that you're in turbo / supercharger land which is big money.

Don't forget the upgrade to M3 / M3 Evo option, which many view as a much better way to spend the dosh.

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Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 13:25

Get in touch with ALPINA 527 on the http://www.e36coupe.com - www.e36coupe.com web site. he does a throttle body and inlet manifold using bmw parts, put this with a good air filter and chip and expect to gain about an extra 30-35bhp! the cost is around £120 for the throttle body, £200 for the manifold, £80 for the filter and superchips charge around £265 for the remap. I make that £665 or there abouts.

But anyway, how fast is it? bmw reckon 147 mph in my handbook, but i think that they are dreaming! unless my speedo is under reading, which means ive been going way over 150 (on the german autobahns remember)



Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 13:27
Like i say webdunk, 229bhp @5860 rpm,  and it feels like it too!


Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 13:51
Originally posted by barf barf wrote:

unless my speedo is under reading, which means ive been going way over 150 (on the german autobahns remember)


Your speedo will be overreading from 100mph+

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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 15:21

barf,

BMW reckoned on 147mph but most road tests done my magazines at the time reckoned on about 143mph. Yours may be a few mph faster as you have about 15% more power and you have moved the peak a little bit further up the rev range. However as webdunk says over 100mph your speedo will not be accurate and will read positive. 



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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 17:17

a recent session on the rollers idicated that at 30/50/and 70, the car speedo was consistantly reading 34/54 and 74 (ish), and ran on to an idicated 145mph @ 5750rpm on the rollers. the rev needle on the road seemed to exceed 5750rpm, but then again, the guages are of analogue type and are only accurate to a point! I believe that the speedo was pretty accurate at that point. one thing though, the car is fantastically stable at higher than normal speeds...........testament to the design and engineering of BMW

are there any calculations that can give a better idea of how fast the true speeds are?  ie. mph per 1000rpm 

 I once knew a chap who reckoned that his 1.3 cavalier would smash 125mph!........................optomism eh



Posted By: jonp
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 17:23

I know a guy that says his old metro could do over 120.....ryhmes with 'banker'.



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Autos are easy. Its the steering thats hard.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 29-March-2004 at 17:28

hell fire, he must have been drinking the same looney juice as the chap in his cav!.........................was he from todmorden?



Posted By: grimesj
Date Posted: 30-March-2004 at 12:52
I've read 149mph from the speedo of my 1996 323i coupe(?)

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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 30-March-2004 at 12:58
Originally posted by jonp jonp wrote:

I know a guy that says his old metro could do over 120

would you feel safe in a metro @ 60, never mind 120?



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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual


Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 30-March-2004 at 13:46
My first car was a Metro. The shame! It was a 1.0 city and I had the speedo up to 100mph on a hill with the wind behind me. Did it feel safe? No, in fact my passengers wanted to kill me afterwards.

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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: jonp
Date Posted: 30-March-2004 at 14:07
My first car was a MG Metro 1.3. They are surprisingly nippy up to about 40...but they are really frightning to crash. I crashed mine at about 50mph...nice. I will never own a small car again, it really worried me how much they compact when you roll them....

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Autos are easy. Its the steering thats hard.


Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 30-March-2004 at 15:32
My metro was involved in no less than 5 crashes during the time I owned it. That was in the space of 18 months. All of them were at low speeds fortunately except the last one but I wasn't in the car then. I really was a rubbish driver when I first passed my test. It took me quite a while to build up a no claims bonus.

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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 30-March-2004 at 16:50
peter, are you sure you want to take part in better driving days?????


Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 31-March-2004 at 09:28

Barf,

My driving has improved considerably since those days! 

When I first passed my test I wasn't really into driving. It was just away of avoiding having to get the bus, and somewhere to go with my girlfriend when her parents were in! However after a couple of years I really got the bug and now I can't get enough of it. Once I started to enjoy it I got better. Also work sends us on defensive driving courses every couple of years which has taught me a lot. I actually think I am quite a good driver now and i would love to take my car on a track.



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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 01-April-2004 at 21:46
As well as track stuff, have a look at one of the advanced tests, if you like the stuff your company sends you on, you will like the advanced stuff.

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Posted By: ivas
Date Posted: 05-April-2004 at 13:42

As probably some of you have read in another post, i just changed the engine on my 316 E36 coupe.

I had first installed a 320 non vanos engine, but I didn't like the performance, so a few weeks ago I installed an 328 M52 engine and all the mechanic parts (brakes, suspension, climatic control, differential, etc.)

The other night I went for a test run with two friends of mine and the maximum speed the car managed (on tacho) was 250Km/h .

This is for you in miles 156.

The engine looks unmodified with stock exhaust, manifold etc.

The instrument cluster was changed too, and it is the one that accompanied the engine.

The tyres dimensions: front 215/45/17 and back 225/45/17...

Any comments?

I was pretty amazed to see that kind of reading...

what do you think?



Posted By: ivas
Date Posted: 05-April-2004 at 13:42
oh I forgot to tell you that the RPM reading was 6100.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 05-April-2004 at 16:02
im waiting to see what webdunk and peter fenwick say about this one. i suspect that with such a high RPM reading, either your dials are mis-reading or somehow you've managed to install a motor from a 330 by mistake.  joking apart, i'd be interested in knowing what spec is on the greek 328i. probably the same as us. cmon peter & webdunk, shed some light!!!


Posted By: ivas
Date Posted: 05-April-2004 at 16:20

you see barf the dial, (i am actually talking about the rpm dial) seems to work fine during acceleration through the gears, as it shows the rpms it should when the rev limiter works...

It took a very long straight road to manage to see this reading and believe me it is quite hard to find this kind of road in greece....

 



Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 09:22
Oh go on then... since you asked

Number displayed seems plausible enough... 147 was claimed top whack. 156 on the clock would mean an error of 6% which is not inconceivable as it was read by the driver on a converted car running non-standard tyre dimensions...

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Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 10:01

so then webdunk, do you agree that the 149mph recorded on my speedo would sound about right? dont forget though, my 328 is running with about 230bhp, nearly 330 territory, and they are limited to 155mph. what do you reckon?

 oh, and since my garage was ripped off last week, ive picked up some brand new schnitzer type 3's with michelin pilots for...............£1500 bargain! also N8 ARF is looking a little sorry at the moment (nearly every panel marked or scratched when the trackday wheels, roadbike (colnago art deco) and storage boxes where dragged over the car and probably into the burnley black market) the little sods. looks like my insurance will increase next time around



Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 10:23

156mph speedo reading in a 328 is quite possible due to errors in the speedo itself. As for 6100rpm in top gear, I am supprised that the car would reach such high revs in top especially since the standard 2.8 engine starts to run out of puff after 5500, although I have to admit I have never taken mine past 140 on the speedo so who knows.

Barf, with 230bhp I wouldn't be supprised at all if you car would do 149mph. Don't know about 155+. That would depend on the gearing and how much further up the rev range you peak power arrives. Once you have passed the peak, power tends to drop off rapidly so the car will not rev much further especially when you are already going very fast. I suspect higher gearing in the 330 has a much to do with the higher top speed as the extra power.   



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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 10:35
maximum revs are now at 5860rpm, and that is roughly where the needle is at 150 ish mph. it took a long stretch of road to get there and the  car was very stable. no doubt, when i get the m3 gt front splitter and class 2 rear spoiler on, i'll probably loose 10 mph at the top due to increased drag. talking of which, im wondering if a standard bodied 328 coupe ( no m-tec bits) would attain a higher top speed due to less drag?


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 10:36
does anybody actually do any work???? there an awful lot of nattering going on here!


Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 10:41
Not if I can help it!

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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 10:49
fancy a pint at lunch?


Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 11:04
Originally posted by barf barf wrote:

does anybody actually do any work???? there an awful lot of nattering going on here!




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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 11:58
I would love a pint but working on a petrochemical plant I'm not allowed by law to drink and then return to work. I am actually going to the pub today but I will be drinking coke.

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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 13:34

do you get fuel for free? running a bmw is'nt getting any cheaper!

N8ARF will be re-painted early May, so i'll be buying a few goodies for it

ar'nt schnitzer mirrors damned expensive! 



Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 06-April-2004 at 19:12
No unfortunately no free fuel, mores the pity. In fact as non of the chemicasl on our site have had any duty paid on them I can be sent to prison for taking any for personal use, not to mention sacked!

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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: 328iADY
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 19:04

Barf,

A question m8, what mods have you had done to your motor. I am very interested as i have a 328 sport and am looking at doing some mods myself.

It currently is 211bhp at the fly at 5100rpm and 183bhp at the wheels. 225 lbft torque. No mods as far as i know.

Also where is the ecu on the car as i am going to look if it has been chipped or not.



Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 19:31

If your car is making 211bhp and 225lbft of torque at the fly wheel then it must already have been modified. In standard trim the engine makes 193 bhp and 206 lbft.

 



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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: 328iADY
Date Posted: 13-April-2004 at 20:43

I have read the figures for the standard car and physically i cant see any mods, thats why i was wondering if it had been chipped or not. I also run the car on optimax. Power still comes in around 4000 but peak power is at 5100 instead of the factory quoted 5300.

So i would like to know what has been done to the car before i start modding it, so i dont replace anything that may have already been done to it. Do you know of anyone who would be able to find out what it has had done to it. I am the fourth owner and the previous owner only had it 6 months. It is a 98 R plate.



Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 14-April-2004 at 09:34
Gains sounds a wee bit much for just a chip... if you can't see any mods then :

a) You've got a rogue good 'un
b) It's had the high flow manifold mod

Either way

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Posted By: dave 328
Date Posted: 14-April-2004 at 13:02
Or the rolling road is optimistic!!


Posted By: Webdunk
Date Posted: 14-April-2004 at 13:08
Originally posted by dave 328 dave 328 wrote:

Or the rolling road is optimistic!!


That never happens...

...does it

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Posted By: barf
Date Posted: 15-April-2004 at 05:43

ive got  the M50 manifold with big bore throttle body, superchip, green induction kit, E.C.I.S cold air filter compartment (available through C.A. Automotive, ask for Roy) miltek cat back system, bmw motorsport plugs and regular unleaded. the car make 229.5 bhp @5860 rpm and 217 ft/lb torque. i think ive got 180 ish at the wheels (i think). all this has definately made a difference, especially past 4000 rpm. money well spent!

  hope this helps you

Barf  



Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 31-May-2004 at 14:31

Barf

How has the mods affected on the road ability.  Have you improved on the 0-60 time by much and more importantly the 4th geat 50 -75.  Over here on the emerald isle we have been blessed with b roads every weher so overtaking articulated trucks is the measure of perfomance taht I am most curious about.

My standard 328 is pretty capable but I am really interested to see how a modded engine performs at these items.  People have suggested moving to M3 territory to get big gains but the insurance and road tax over here are crippling.  Annual road tax would go up to €1279 an increase of €259 and insurance could double or triple.  The joys of motoring in Ireland!!!!

 




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