Tech1 325i Sport Restoration...Engine complete
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Topic: Tech1 325i Sport Restoration...Engine complete
Posted By: vpricey
Subject: Tech1 325i Sport Restoration...Engine complete
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 10:04
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Well the Moment I've been waiting for, to finally get my own restoration under way. After about 2 months sitting in my neighbours drive, my mate Neil and I moved my Sport up to a unit that my mate owns, where I am going to strip down and rebuild the car. My plans are to strip and rebuild the car myself, the body and trims will be sent off to the body shop, and I will clean, repaint and overhaul all parts before they are refitted. The Target is to have the car finished for Gaydon next year, so fingers crossed we'll see!!   On Thursday afternoon I went up to make a start. I had already previously removed the carpet as there is a water leak and the carpet was getting wet, so that has been dried and sitting in Mum's conservatory!!  (I'm getting constant reminders to move it tho!! ) Anyway,I'll apologise for the poor pictures, my camera didn't like the lighting for some reason, so I'll get some better ones later. Firstly I removed the rear lights, bumper and boot locking mechanism, spoiler, and all boot trims. Then the Interior was removed, rear windows and I started on removing all of the items from the drivers door. Then I called it a night.    who ever replaced the Tech 1 spoiler with the Tech 2 item didn't put the material to prevent it rubbing on the boot, as it is almost through to bare metal at one point.    On Friday I done the Passenger door, started on the sunroof(had to cut all of the sealant out for this, great fun), then started on the front and sills    The sill weren't as bad as I was expecting, my uncle who replaced the front wing said they were really bad and I should maybe consider selling the car, but I couldn't do that   Usual front jacking point...   Bumper off....    Front valance...  This must have been replaced at some point as there were two bottom bolts missing and these...     I might investigate this, see what I can find out... And that's where I'm up to at the mo, I've still to remove the dash, but I'm going to remove the PAS fluid and coolant so I'll drive her outside for that then I'll get stuck in to the engine bay next week!!    ta ta for now!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5 
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Posted By: stevie53
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 10:32
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You've been busy young man, good luck with it all and as I said last week anything I can do to help just holler.
On a side note I noticed some interesting metal in that unit 
 ------------- ///2000 E39 M5 Imola Red/// NO MORE una volta lei ha avuto l'italiano lei non andrą mai tedesco di nuovo haha |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 10:35
Yip my mate owns a jap import buisness haven't I landed lucky... ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: stevie53
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 10:51
you've got a few more inches space in which to work than Gary had with his restoration 
It was the VR6, the Evo along with the old Transporter that caught my attention ------------- ///2000 E39 M5 Imola Red/// NO MORE una volta lei ha avuto l'italiano lei non andrą mai tedesco di nuovo haha |
Posted By: davy tombstone
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 16:21
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excellent progress paul, at this rate you,ll have it done for xmas.
sending you a pm. ------------- http://s324.photobucket.com/user/davytombstone/media/newsig_zpsd6056b1d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 16:44
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Good work!
That's a real bonus having somewhere like that to do the job! ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: coupe king
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 18:53
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Wow, good progress so far, looking forward to seeing her at the end! ------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/coupe_king/IMG_1101-1.jpg - My Car - Click Here 
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Posted By: sailorbaz
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 19:48
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Good on you Paul, I wish I had the BALLS to carry out something like that. I panic changing brake pads!!! Chin-Chin! -------------  http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e46/m3csl.html" rel="nofollow - My Car 2004 M3 CSL and 2009 E90 M3 |
Posted By: mil996
Date Posted: 08-November-2008 at 20:59
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keep up the good work mate always wanted to do that with a mk 2 rs2000 showing ma age nu good luck anyway |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 09-November-2008 at 14:33
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Well done mate about bloody time. if you need any help then give me a call. I used realoem.com as my bible when ordering parts and it was magic.
If you need anything give me a buzz ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: ianking
Date Posted: 09-November-2008 at 17:13
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Looks like you have been busy Paul. Might pop up for a look one night this week if you are going up. Give me a text if you are going to the unit. ------------- 2011 Mini Cooper S with Sport Pack and ma Faithers 2010 Z4 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 09-November-2008 at 17:27
Cheeky bugger.....lol. Yip I've got most of my parts list made up already, but it's growing bigger!!  Ian, I'm going up tomorrow night If you want to nip up!! Cheers guys for all the comments and offering of help, and I'll be in contact If required...  Cheers Paul. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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gary wrote:Posted By: fluffnik
Date Posted: 09-November-2008 at 23:53
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You've got something to do in dark evenings at least... Enjoy! ------------- ALPINA B10 V8 Touring #36 |
Posted By: Paul_540i
Date Posted: 10-November-2008 at 20:05
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Looks ace mate, wish I had a place like that to work on the car. Quite fancy an E30 as a second car if and when I move out of the city centre. Parking is restricted everywhere around here and I only have one private space, so no chance of a 2nd car. I think it would make a great fun track weapon too, although I'd be looking more at the shed end of the market rather than mint as I'll probably end up doing a bit of unplanned off-roading at Knockhill ------------- 540i 6-speed manual (sold) 840Ci 6-speed manual (sold) 318is (sold) Yamaha R1 (sold) |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 11-November-2008 at 14:47
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Got a bit more done last night, removed the other front wing and sill, and the sills aren't that bed at all, might not need to get both sides done!!  Will post some pics later. Also removed the sunroof assembly and front and rear screens with Neil's help...   The removed the headlining and the foam from behind it and then cringed at the sign of rust....     But not to worry thats getting replaced, I just hope the roof skin is ok behind it... Then Neil and I proceeded to remove the dash....  So now I can get to the heater box and start to do a bit to the wiring loom after labeling it all up. Oh and if anyone knows of anyone selling Air Con then can you let me know as I'm on the look out for a kit. Getting there!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 12-November-2008 at 11:21
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Are the wipers too difficult for you mate. Give me a call and I'll show you how to take them off
That's the worst thing about starting something like this. You strip it back find a wee bit of rust and then the more you delve into it the more problems you uncover. Keep up the good work mate ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 12-November-2008 at 14:57
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Nah just couldn't be bothered to remove them before taking the screen out, that would involve common sense you see!!lol I think I've found most of the rust, Just need to see whats on the bulkhead. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 13-November-2008 at 12:07
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Rust looks scary but I suppose thats what doing a restoration job is all about....getting rid of it!
------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: TRACKPIG
Date Posted: 13-November-2008 at 13:44
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good work there cant be many mtech 1's left now! ------------- REMEMBER- POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT KELLY REMOULDS E30 325 Sport - Gone but not forgotten E36 M3 evo Suzuki GSXR 750 Track Piece |
Posted By: Big Stuff
Date Posted: 13-November-2008 at 21:35
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good thread ------------- 2002 330ci SE - Factory Straight - Now gone cause am skint and in a wee diesel - Aw naw - boo hoo |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 21-November-2008 at 13:48
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Hi guys, just a couple more pics, and some better ones from before, borrowed my gran's camera... A Better look at the inside, pretty clean in here, just starting to remove the wiring loom...   spot the rust hole behind the sound proofing...  Wipers off for Gary!!    removed the door locks and handles eventually after I figured out how...  passenger door loom and lock out too...  some better pics from before of the rust lol.   sills aren't too bad... extra air vent anyone...     the petrol flap looks alright too..   everything all on bags and labeled up too...  engine loom out in prep for engine removal, as I now have my new engine stand so it may take it out tonight!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Issy
Date Posted: 21-November-2008 at 14:00
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arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what have you done!!!!!!!
Looking forward to see it all come back together! -------------  |
Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 21-November-2008 at 19:37
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Good progress Paul, your getting on a lot faster than I am with project
reasonable! Mind you, shoved it into the garage last weekend so I can work on it in the evenings. ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: davy tombstone
Date Posted: 21-November-2008 at 20:27
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keep it up paul,
you,re doin well. ------------- http://s324.photobucket.com/user/davytombstone/media/newsig_zpsd6056b1d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 07-December-2008 at 02:09
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Well a good days work was done today, made some good progress and edging that step closer to getting the shell away to the body shop! But anyway onto today..... First off was the engine and box to be removed...   nice...    Box split from engine...     The clutch looks buggered but it worked a treat but it probably wasn't long till it was gonna go...   Genuine BMW too, maybe the original... Now was time to put the engine on my new engine stand! but the gearbox bolts weren't long enough to fit  so it was a trip to B&Q and picked up the 4 bolts for a fiver so it was lined up and bolted on, but i was very unsure if it would hold the weight ok, but it was fine, it's rated to 450kg but you still get second thoughts when lowering the engine!lol.  Still it doesn't half flex...   The bolts are bent!!  Any way with that done it was over to the ramp to start removing bits from underneath... I love this ramp... A quick few shots of the underside...    but as usual there's a lot of rusted solid bolts so a good spray up with a bit of WD and left for a while, I got the exhaust heat shields, fuel filler and a few other pieces off tho.. Next up was to tackle the wiring loom... I had to cut through a small section that lead under the pipe for the fuel lines under the rear seat area though as it seems to be wired in with no plugs to remove it but it was only 4 different coloured wires so it's no big loss easy solved when the time comes to re-fit. not sure if anyone else had to do this?? :? Anyway starting to come out...   and its out  now I could see the area of the bulkhead that was making the foot spa in the passenger side...  And the result of the days work...    So overall a good day but still loads to do but I'm over half way!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 07-December-2008 at 10:35
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Respect mate. That is certainly hardcore. Excellent thread. ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: stevie53
Date Posted: 07-December-2008 at 11:20
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total respect, I'd never have the patience or come to think of it the ability to do this so I'll leave that sort of thing to young bloods
------------- ///2000 E39 M5 Imola Red/// NO MORE una volta lei ha avuto l'italiano lei non andrą mai tedesco di nuovo haha |
Posted By: coupe king
Date Posted: 08-December-2008 at 09:56
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Oh my god!!! Just wondering why you are taking the loom out too? I really hope it all goes back together again!!! Cant wait to se it when its finished!!! Great job mate, keep it up!!! ------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/coupe_king/IMG_1101-1.jpg - My Car - Click Here
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Posted By: coupe king
Date Posted: 08-December-2008 at 10:05
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Not that you look like you need it, but here is a good resto project from e36coupe.com of an e30 m3, you may have to join up to read it, but i think its worth it! http://www.bmwowner.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=13370 0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=redeemer - http://www.bmwowner.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=13370 0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=redeemer As always, the pics on page 3 are the best! ------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/coupe_king/IMG_1101-1.jpg - My Car - Click Here
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Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 08-December-2008 at 12:24
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Nice work, a lot done in one day! ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 08-December-2008 at 17:25
Well it's going down to a bare shell before it goes to the bodyshop so that when Matt's welding and fitting new parts to the car there's Nothing in his road. Also the picture above showing the rust hole, or the source of the foot spa(lol) the connectors for most of the wiring loom sat right in front of that area. So in order to get it fixed properly it had to come out anyway. And it will go back together fine, I've got it all sussed, if it ain't clean and in good condition it ain't going back on the car, so I'm going to be busy!lol. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 08-December-2008 at 17:31
That link didn't work mate, ended up something about rubbing strips, had a wee sketch about but couldn't find it. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: coupe king
Date Posted: 09-December-2008 at 08:57
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Strange it worked when i checked it straight after i posted it......hmmm I you do an advanced search on 'redeemer' in the members journals by member 'Kul', that will bring it up. Its nothing to do with rubbing strips.
------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/coupe_king/IMG_1101-1.jpg - My Car - Click Here
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Posted By: bluebro
Date Posted: 09-December-2008 at 17:02
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Great work Paul, it's great to see all the parts that actually go in to making a car! I love that 'if it ain't clean, it doesn't go back in' philosophy. -------------  F22 Estoril Blue M235i |
Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 09-December-2008 at 17:17
Alwats liked your car paul and i am looking forward to seeiong the end results ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney 
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 09-December-2008 at 23:47
Cheers John, well I only want to do this once, so I may aswell give it my best shot!! Thanks for the comments folks, I should have the shell ready to go on Saturday I think, as my mate Neil and I are going up to take the fuel and brake systems off, and that should be about it, apart from stripping the bumpers, mirrors and a couple of pieces of tricky trim. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 24-January-2009 at 21:51
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Just a wee upate.... I got the remaining bits and bobs off from in the engine bay, fuel filter bracket and bonnet runners, then started to get it degreased for painting, but first I removed the stickers and the last piece of sound deadning with a heat gun. Anyone know if any of the stickers are still made?? Anyway...before.. The stickers...    during...    After...       So it's better than it was, managed to get most of the way oil off, but still got the bit bellow the battery tray and the front section to do. I think that's mostly it for the shell till it comes back, so I'll prob start to strip and clean the engine in the next week or so. Anyone know of anything good for cleaning up all of the metal parts, I think someone mentioned Alubrite before but I'm not sure??? cheers.
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: jimmy136
Date Posted: 25-January-2009 at 08:33
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really enjoyed reading this, keep up the good work, the car will look a million dollars when its done ------------- |
Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 25-January-2009 at 21:21
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I think you can still get all those stickers, have a look on realoem.com
Keep up the good work! ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 25-January-2009 at 23:34
It's a nightmare trying to figure out what sticker is what on there, I think the colour sticker is still available but I'm not sure about the rest? ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: bluebro
Date Posted: 26-January-2009 at 19:27
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Coming along nicely Paul. Would you say you are still 'on schedule' for Gaydon '09? ------------- F22 Estoril Blue M235i |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 26-January-2009 at 20:05
Not a chance, I'm going to miss it my a mile, but I'm not going to rush it, it'll be done when it's done. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 07-February-2009 at 19:51
A bit of an update, today I went up to the garage and got stuck into the engine, started to strip it down for painting, cleaning and overhauling. first i removed the oil cooler and filter housing and exhaust manifold...   then I removed the front pulleys and belt covers...     not sure if this was a date stamp at first, but i soon noticed it must be a casting number or something as the date is on the side.lol.  Then all of the water and breather pipes came off....  After that it was such a nice day I thought I take some photos    and back to the engine... The inlet manifold was next to be removed...   then it was off with the rocker cover for a wee peak, the car previously was ran on Castrol GTX Magnatec and the protective stuff in it is still all over the engine, thats the orangy colour, can't be a bad thing I suppose, but it doesn't look as clean as other engines.   Next up was the sump   the colour is the same down ere too....     everthing looks ok, no nasty surprises apart from the bolts for the sump being rather loose, less than hand tight, worrying, maybe that's why the sump leaked Still easy fixed  The Inlet fannymould was next to be stripped, there was a difference in colour in the ports, cylinders 3 and 4 were rather clean looking compared to the others, not sure if thats due to the shape of the manifold or a running issue.   So the injectors came out..in pieces, the rubber seals were very stiff and not doing too must imo, but they're being replaced, and I might do the M50b20 injector conversion too since they're out     And finally the throttle body off....    Ready for cleaning and painting before being rebuilt    not bad for an afternoons pottering about ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Issy
Date Posted: 07-February-2009 at 20:27
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OMG you are brave! I will follow this with interest its like watching a soap can wait for the next episode! ------------- |
Posted By: sailorbaz
Date Posted: 07-February-2009 at 20:33
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Good work mate, would love to give you a hand but I'm in Brasil, sorry But seriously, I will need to nip along for a butchers one afternoon, will get in touch when I get back...if I'm welcome of course! ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e46/m3csl.html" rel="nofollow - My Car 2004 M3 CSL and 2009 E90 M3 |
Posted By: curnrik
Date Posted: 08-February-2009 at 00:30
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I would love to be able to do to mine what you are doing to yours right now. Nice one. As mines so rusty and not going to be put into any events anymore. You wouldn't fancy doing mines next wouldn't you?
Joking!!!
Nice One.
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 08-February-2009 at 10:23
Cheers Issy
Baz, you can nip along any time mate, always welcome, that's the same for the rest of you too...Just send me a PM or something and you can nip over. curnik, trust me you're rust can't be as bad as this is it?? ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: ACS330
Date Posted: 09-February-2009 at 12:43
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Coming along nicely but come on now, can't you have a week of work and attack it If I was nearer I would give you a hand with the cleaning/painting part but its a bit of a shlep down to Edinburgh. Good luck and keep up the good work! ------------- ACS 330 Supercharged, some others, some long gone, some forgotten, some not, e39 528sport, e36 323Msport, e30 M3, e36 318se, e36 318is, e34 525se, e30 318is, e30 325sport and some unmentionables in between... |
Posted By: broos3
Date Posted: 09-February-2009 at 19:46
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Realy like the restoration your doing mate. Looked like a nice example before you started aswell. As the other guys have said its good to watch the whole thing through from start to hopefully the glorious finish!! |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 10-February-2009 at 18:38
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Keep going mate I'm feeling your pain ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 10-February-2009 at 19:13
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i wish i had the space and facilities to do something like this... very well done so far |
Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 10-February-2009 at 20:11
Quote of the year so far!
Not sure if the orangy colour is due to the magnatec, as the 3 I've taken to bits lately are the same as that. Are you doing the inlet manifold and rocker cover crackle black, Alpina stylee? Keep up the good work, you're showing me up....I've been roped into decorating the hall at the moment ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 10-February-2009 at 20:30
Well it's a funny word used so often on forums I had to use it!!lol. As for the orangeyness i'm sure it never use to be that colour!? I'm going to try and get the rocker cover, inlet manifold, timing covers and various brackets in the same kind of colour as what bss325i(Barry) has done on the E30Zone, a sort of cast metal colour, a satin silver colour, looks very suave!! I'll try and find a pic. Although painting it a funky colour has past my mind!? I'm also contemplating a 2.8 build since the crank will be coming out anyway for an inspection and renewal of the shells and prob gonna get the piston rings done too as she was a bit smokey on full chant! So if anyone knows of an M50/52 2.8 crank let me know.....I can see the pound signs infront of me now!! And as for you painting that hall, hurry up and get back to the garage!! Cheers for the comments folks ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: stevie53
Date Posted: 10-February-2009 at 21:07
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I tilt my hat to you mate, much respect to what you're taking on.
I just can't wait to see the finished article it will be something special ------------- ///2000 E39 M5 Imola Red/// NO MORE una volta lei ha avuto l'italiano lei non andrą mai tedesco di nuovo haha |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 05-March-2009 at 20:55
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Right, another little update...... whilst i'm waiting for the shell to get painted, I've decided to be completely insane and spank more cash on doing a 2.8 conversion aswell, so since I've completely lost my mind..I'll strip down the engine a bit more! So...the lighting in the garage is pretty crap so the pics are very poor but I'll take some better ones when I next go up....here goes.... I forgot to take some pics, but the Head and gasket came off, but since I fixed the head last year I wasn't expecting too much bad here...   A bit coked up though, seems to have been running a bit rich before this...  same here...    So next up was the challenge of getting the front crank bolt off....but this was a bit of a shock as it was very lose and managed Neil and I got it lose with only a little pressure with a 1/2" bar...   So next up was the Pistons to come out, didn't manage to get many pics here, but I took some this afternoon when I got home....   Seems like I caught these in the nick of time...  P1  P2  P3  P4  P5  P6  Just... Seems like these could do with a bit of a clean up though, and 3 and 6 had the worse scoring on the side too... P1  P2  P3   P4  P5  P6   But hopefully these should be fine, gonna take them down to the local machine shop in Rosewell, Engine Services for the 12mm to be shaved off of the skirts Also I've picked up a set of b20 130mm con rods for the conversion too...So just the Crank to find!!So I'm getting there, but I'm off my head!!!!
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 05-March-2009 at 21:53
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Yes ------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: johne46
Date Posted: 05-March-2009 at 22:58
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Get in there , thay are some pics, good job . your car is going to be the dogs b';*&^ when its all duncant whate to see it ...j
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Posted By: Cambell
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 06:22
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Posted By: Cambell
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 06:23
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12mm ????? ------------- |
Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 08:46
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Hi Paul Excellent thread. I am really envious of what you are doing. I would love to strip a car down like that, repair it, clean it up and re-build it....but my wife wouldn't let me! Just out of interest how are you going to convert it to a 2.8 from a 2.5? I see you are after a crank, presumably that gives you a longer stroke? If so how do you then get the original block/head to work the pistons without the top of the piston hitting the combustion chambers in the head? To me you would need to increase the height of the block or is there a trick with the con rods and pistons that I can't picture how it would work. I don't know why but I have missed this thread out. Must have been when you started this thread was when I was having some issues and I wasn't myself. All the best with it and I'll continue to read with great interest. Andrew ------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 12:16
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I think the B20 con rods are shorter ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 15:11
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Right...thanks for all the praise guys and about the 2.8 build..... What you need is a 2.5 to begin with, mine is the higher compression engine, which will give better power in the end. You also need a set of B20(2.0) con rods of which are shorter( I'll get to this in a mo), and an M50/M52 Non vanos or single vanos B28(2.8) crank.(later double vanos does not fit) With the 2.8 crank the stroke is longer and of which creates the larger capacity, around 2796cc when finished I think. Also for the front of the crank, a spacer is needed for the oil seal. Due to the stroke being longer or bigger the pistons would stick out of the top of the block by about 3mm, therefore you need a shorter set. This is where the B20 con rods come into it. The B25 con rods are 135mm from center to center and the B20 items are 130mm. this solving the problem, but by upto 2mm too much, so you also have to "Deck the block" or shave 2mm off of the block (in the same way you do to skim a head) to get the pistons bang on at the top of the cylinders. As for the 12mm off of the Pistons, this is cause of the stroke of the crank being longer, the counter weights on the crank foul on to the pistons so the 12mm has to be shaved off to make the clearance for them. So to recap..... swap the crank for the 2.8 item and add a spacer for the oil seal, shave 12mm off the pistons, use B20 con rods, and possibly deck the block to get it perfect, then voilas....a 2.8 liter M20 ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: davy tombstone
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 16:48
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how much extra power can you expect after all that paul. ------------- http://s324.photobucket.com/user/davytombstone/media/newsig_zpsd6056b1d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 17:15
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Well put it this way, it's pretty tough to get a 2.5 upto the 200bhp mark without a lot of head work and stuff, but the 2.8 should be around the 220bhp mark, any more and I'll be delighted
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 17:42
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Cheers for that info Paul, sounds like you know what you are doing. 220 bhp, that I'll be a pocket rocket! Keep us posted with loads more pictures of oily bits
Andrew ------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: alym786
Date Posted: 06-March-2009 at 18:32
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Great work so far Paul! Your very brave... When you hoping she will be finished? ------------- E46 328ci now sold :( 
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 24-March-2009 at 17:57
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Right a wee bit of an update.... Since last updated I've changed my mind on the 2.8 front, I'm gonna keep it as the 2.5 for the mo but I'm gonna do the motronic 1.3 upgrade(the later Tech2 engine management) and maybe a couple of other things but staying mainly standard for the mo.... So at the weekend I thought I'd make a start to getting things cleaned up and I also wanted to get the crank out too so I could have a look at the shells. So first up, out with the crank, and I even managed to get the rear oil seal casing off without having to take the block off of the stand but I wanted the sandwitch plate off so I had to take it off anyway. lol.    As for the shells these were the worst in the block...    Crank looks good too... And these were the worst from the caps...     Getting changed anyway tho, so after about 4hours with some degreaser and a few brushes I got the sump, rear sump cover, timing covers, rocker cover, inlet manifold, engine mounting arms, alternator bracket, and a few other bits all cleaned up, but I forgot to get pics but you'll see them when they go back on. As for the block, it also got scrubbed and a run over with a wire brush/drill attachment prior to being painted....   then a coat of "Cylinder Black", seemed quite good at the time, but could do with a few more coats.....   So thats where I'm upto at the mo, I've ordered loads of engine parts so I should maybe get building this back up by the weekend Oh and Ive had a play around with my rocker cover so we'll see how that turns out I may do the Inlet manifold the same colour too ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 24-March-2009 at 20:52
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All that engine type stuff is all well and good but when will we get shiney pictures.. only joking looks like some job you are doing, only wish I understood half of it. ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 24-March-2009 at 21:42
When I find a bloody body shop that wants to take on my sort of work!! it's wearing me out now!!  You'll get a shiney pic when the engine's built back up next week hopefully! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 25-March-2009 at 12:47
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Some more interesting oily bit photos! Just wondering, how do you stop the inside of the cylider bores and the bearing surfaces of the crank etc from rusting now that you have removed them from oil contact? ------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 25-March-2009 at 13:39
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Paul how did you get on with Stuart for the welding ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 25-March-2009 at 13:45
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No luck Gary, the job is too big for him, and he wouldn't be sure how quick he could get it done if he did take it on, back to square 1! Andrew, just get the engine back together quick!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 26-March-2009 at 13:24
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What about the garage that carried out the scuttle welding on my M3. You could try them. 01236 422241 ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 26-March-2009 at 17:41
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Woohoo more parts have arrived for the engine, new shells, gaskets, bearings, loads of stuff, just waiting for a few more bits from the stealers and then it's good to go OH and I have been playing around with my rocker cover too.....    Didn't come out too badly, still needs laqured but I'll do that later. Might do my inlet manifold too ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 26-March-2009 at 18:12
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Rocker cover looks good. Bodyshop wise you could try CH Bull and Sons Coachworks Kilmacolm Road in Bridge of Weir Tel 01505 614961 They are between Paisley and Greenock out in the sticks, a bit like Penicuik but on t'other side of the country! About 60 miles west of you.
------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 20-April-2009 at 13:56
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Just thought I'd revive my thread and do a little update. Over the past wee while I've been mainly buying parts for the engine to get re-built and been cleaning things up, and tonight I should be receiving my parts order from BMW. My step dad Colin works for the Eastern Western group and has managed to get me some discount on the parts I've ordered, although they still came in at around £550 Was a bit shocked when I found that out!.lol. Anyway, I've sent the Crank and crank pulley away to Engine Services in Rosewell for a new spigot bearing to be fitted and for two bolts that sheared off in the lower pulley to be removed. So I should get those back later today. Also the rocker cover is all finished and ready to go, just the inlet manifold to laqured up, block's painted, pistons cleaned, so once I get all the parts It'll be time to get the thing built up, can't wait. I'll post up some pics tonight, before we get underway.....
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: nessiemark
Date Posted: 20-April-2009 at 18:14
Oh my God Paul, now that is a restoration. Good luck ------------- E36 M3 GT sold |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 20-April-2009 at 21:06
BMW Dealer Parts....   Guide shells...  New Piston rings...  So it was all new Hoses, new seals, Head gasket, o-rings, new con rod bolts, shells, HT lead cover and various other gaskets. Then we get to the oil pump. I noticed that Trev( B7) had rebuilt his oil pump rather than buying a new one, so thought I'd have a bash at it myself. The bottom of the oil pump was heavily scored, so as Trevor did I attempted to cut it back with the wet and dry to get it smooth again, and this was the outcome...  Not bad considering its original state, I used a mirror that had quite thick glass and some 1500 wet and dry. Now onto the bits I ordered for the oil pump. I forgot that if a dealer wont sell these parts they'll make you buy the whole bag.... So I ended up with 25 plastic rings for either end of the oil pump drive...  10 springs and 5 strainers.lol....  And 50 washers for at the end of the spring....  So if anyone wants any or need any let me know.... Getting there.....
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 20-April-2009 at 22:43
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Well done mate. Yopu any further forward with the rear quarters. ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: Issy
Date Posted: 20-April-2009 at 22:49
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OMG well done and good luck. I am following this with interest (not that I understand much of it) but it will be great to see it all fit back together!
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Posted By: fluffnik
Date Posted: 21-April-2009 at 01:30
Oooooh, it's like Christmas, but better! Have fun. ------------- ALPINA B10 V8 Touring #36 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 21-April-2009 at 15:05
Nah nowt yet mate, I've not really been looking, need to get a few things sorted first. Fluffy, yip it was christmas alright, but 550quids worth of goddies. Just about to phone about getting the crank and pulley back, then I'll nip off to the garage and start assembling bits!!!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: alym786
Date Posted: 21-April-2009 at 15:58
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Wow.... I bet the invoice printer ran out of ink printing the receipt for that lot! ------------- E46 328ci now sold :(
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 04-May-2009 at 21:40
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Right another update. After the fiasco of figuring out if I had the right crank main bearing shells, of which It turned out I did, I thought I"d better start building it back up. Since I had all of the right parts for the engine, at about 780 odd quids worth and thats with discount from the stealers, and a lot of parts from Toby at New Car Parts Ltd( or Parts Auction) who was great, with quick delivery and greats service as usual. The rest of the parts I got from Euro car parts. First off, get the crank in with those new shells   The new shells in the caps...    Next up, pistons, all cleaned up and with new rings, shells and bolts....     Pistons in and caps all torqued up, strange things them stretch bolts, just don't feel nice!!    then the front and rear oil seal casings, and front crank pully and bolt....   then the Oil pump and thingy next to it....  then time for the sump...  And last for tonight, the water pump and tensiorer. I decided to usse my old water pump as it had not long been put on the car and still feels very smoth   So there we have it, next up is to finish off cleaning up the head and face of the block and get the head on. Just got to finish laquring the inlet manifold and we're done
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: coupe king
Date Posted: 05-May-2009 at 07:55
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Looking good paul! How many nuts/bolts/screws etc do you reckon you will have left at the end, that should have found a home ------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/coupe_king/IMG_1101-1.jpg - My Car - Click Here
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Posted By: sailorbaz
Date Posted: 05-May-2009 at 09:12
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Agreed, looking good Paul. Will defo try and get up this time home, with 11 weeks at home I've got long enough! ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e46/m3csl.html" rel="nofollow - My Car 2004 M3 CSL and 2009 E90 M3 |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 05-May-2009 at 16:29
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Well.... Idealy, none!! But we'll see. Well Baz I f you want to come up for a wee look, you're more than welcome to just give me a shout, same goes fore the rest of you
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 05-May-2009 at 18:52
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Good lot of oily technical photos there! I was wondering about the mating surface of the block/head but you said you were cleaning that up. Keep the oily piccies coming. Andrew ------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: big pimpin
Date Posted: 06-May-2009 at 12:13
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Good progress Paul! Did you use the 2.8 crank in the end? ------------- E90 320d - M635 CSi - 635CSi Highline - GMC Typhoon - 4.6 P38 |
Posted By: Steph
Date Posted: 06-May-2009 at 15:07
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 06-May-2009 at 15:17
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Nah I didn't bother, couldn't find one anyway. I think I"ll keep the Tech1 as the 2.5 and get another for tuning and having a laugh with.
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 06-May-2009 at 19:34
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Eh? Are you wanting to see the end of this re-build, hence the full stop? ------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 06-May-2009 at 19:59
Nah that was me, never noticed steph was logged in and not me, and as you can't delete posts just thought I'd put a . But you're prob right about that. lol. ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 07-May-2009 at 12:22
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Loving the work mate ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 07-May-2009 at 17:48
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Cheers Gary, will have another update later
------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 15-May-2009 at 15:38
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Just a wee update... Finished my rocker cover and inlet manifold.....    Came out nicely Also realised that the valves weren't seated right, so I've got them out and re-lapping them....   Inlets are done, just the exhausts to go, so thats where I'm off to just now, should be finished and back together tonight. Also got this from Spadge from the e30zone.....   Had a wee go with some wire wool and some metal polish and it should come up nicely...  ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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Posted By: alym786
Date Posted: 15-May-2009 at 17:25
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Lookin good mate...
------------- E46 328ci now sold :(
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 15-May-2009 at 17:39
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Love the 6 branch. Should make a bit of a difference ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: Andrew Rolland
Date Posted: 15-May-2009 at 17:49
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Excellent job, I'm really envious of you getting to re-build the engine like that. I like the photos with bottles of Irn-Bru in them, you can tell it's a Jock at work then, to quote my old boss. ------------- Be exclusive and drive a Petrol 5 Series! Current '13 62 F10 535i MSport Auto Previous '04 04 E60 545i SE Auto '03 53 E60 545i SE Auto (Stolen) '98 S E39 523i SE Auto |
Posted By: vpricey
Date Posted: 15-May-2009 at 18:24
Cheers guys, another bit out of the way...
Well buy yourself one and get stuck in, it's not that hard!! ------------- Paul - '87 E30 325i Sport - '99 E39 M5 - '05 E53 X5
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