My "eyebrow" lights above my sidelights don't work.  These are the orange LEDs above the ordinary headlights.  Both sides refuse to come on with the sidelights which is when they should come on.

I can't see a part on http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=NB32&mospid=47756&btnr=63_0798&hg=63&fg=05 - here .  There is a bulb for the side lights (the angle eyes), the dipped beam and then a bulb for full beam.  There is also a set of LEDs in the clear headlight that site between the headlights and the bonnet.

I haven't been able to have a prod around under the bonnet yet due to working till 11 last night and I'm now back in work again.

Has anyone got any thoughts on what might be wrong?

Would this be covered by my BMW Approved Used Car Warranty? 

These lights are obviously not essential to road use so might they try and wriggle out on that?

Thanks

Andrew

If both sides have gone awol then its less likely to be bulb related.  Check the fuse situation to see if any other functions that are controlled by the same fuse are affected.  After that its back to the dealer as far as I'm concerned.  Further diagnosis is with a multimeter and a diag machine.  Not sure about the e60 but the light control module was an occassional failure on the e39.

As an AUC you should have no problem with it being attended to as a warranty item.  you've paid a premium to have it so there should be no quibble.

I have not noticed any other functions not working which makes me slightly worried as, like you, think that if both are out it won't be a bulb failure.

This picture shows what looks like a bulb in a bulb holder.  I couldn't see where the wires went.  Car is outside my office so I'm not going to/want to get mucky snooping about.

This one shows what looks like LEDs but I think that they must be like plastic lenses that disperse the light from the bulb in the picture above rather than being LEDs.  The eyebrow bit is that curves off to the right above the headlights.  I reckon the light source is the 12v 1.4W bulb but that is what I couldn't see as a part number on http://www.realoem.com - www.realoem.com .

I'll check my ETK and TIS at the weekend.

Hmmmm.

Andrew

Sporty1 wrote: Wouldn't bulbs out bring up a check light somewhere?

You've bought a duff-un Andrew

thepits wrote: You've bought a duff-un Andrew

Don't say that!  Last time I took a car to a main dealer, I didn't get it back!

Sporty1 wrote: Wouldn't bulbs out bring up a check light somewhere?

You would think but no, it doesn't.

But what is more annoying is that I can't find the bulbs nor holder listed anywhere!

Andrew

Andrew Rolland wrote: thepits wrote: You've bought a duff-un Andrew Don't say that!  Last time I took a car to a main dealer, I didn't get it back!

so, take this to the same dealer and with a bit of luck you'll never see it again - sorted

thepits wrote: Andrew Rolland wrote: thepits wrote: You've bought a duff-un Andrew Don't say that!  Last time I took a car to a main dealer, I didn't get it back! so, take this to the same dealer and with a bit of luck you'll never see it again - sorted

Does lightening strike the same place twice?????

Sporty1 wrote: thepits wrote: Andrew Rolland wrote: thepits wrote: You've bought a duff-un Andrew Don't say that!  Last time I took a car to a main dealer, I didn't get it back! so, take this to the same dealer and with a bit of luck you'll never see it again - sorted Does lightening strike the same place twice?????

Yep - all the time. and more.

Andrew,

A buddy of mine in work had the same problem on his 05 E60. Main dealer sorted it. I know it was something very small but cant exactly remember what.

Ill ring him tomorrow to find out.

Mick

Andrew Rolland wrote: This picture shows what looks like a bulb in a bulb holder.  I couldn't see where the wires went.

Went out on Saturday morning armed with a multimeter, test leads a paper clip and a 9V battery.

I pulled the plug out of the socket on top of the light cluster and put some some test leads on the terminals of the bulb which appears to built into the head lights. 

The lights worked on both sides so the problem is that I am not getting any power to the leads. 

The black leads that you see in the photo above come from the head light unit itself above the indicator light and are only about 75-100 mm long. 

Hmm, I think it will need to be a trip to the dealer, unless anyone knows something.

Andrew

Mick525i wrote: Andrew, A buddy of mine in work had the same problem on his 05 E60. Main dealer sorted it. I know it was something very small but cant exactly remember what. Ill ring him tomorrow to find out. Mick

That would be grand Mick.

Cheers

Andrew

Went to Fairbairns in Glasgow yesterday afternoon.

Told them of the problem, waited about 5 mins and a rather helpful Service Manager came out to look at the car. 

He seems to think that it is a programming fault.  In other words the car was re-programmed under previous owners and as a result of this the eyebrow lights do not come on as the car hasn't been told not to put them on when the side lights are on. Stoopid 'puter.

The car will need to be completely re-programmed.  He told me that he didn't think that this was covered by warranty.

He then made a phone call and told me that re-programming would be covered by warranty and that I should book it in at no cost to me.

He bumped his gums a bit that the dealer I bought it from should have noticed this and sorted it at the pre delivery inspection before I took ownership of it a month ago.

So at a mutually convenient date I am to drop it off and pick up a courtesy car.

The girl at the service desk was very nice, helpful and friendly as was the service manager.  What a huge difference in staff attitude from my http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=40115&PN=1 - favourite dealer in Glasgow.

Andrew

Think if I were you mate, I'd arrange to sit in the car till the tech looks at it and while he looks at it. They're bounf to have wifi so you can still work via a laptop ??

Only kidding mate, hope it gets sorted.

Andrew,

Spoke to Ed yesterday and he says that BMW found a loose cable on the left hand bulb. They told him that they are conected in series so if one has a bad connection neither will work.

Not sure if that helps or even make sense

Mick

Thanks Mick

That does make sense.

I would hope that BMW should find that one. 

Cheers

Andrew 

I had a look last night and switched on the "Day time running lights" on the iDrive but that didn't make a difference.  Not sure what day time running lights do when switched on.

Thanks

Andrew

Andrew Rolland wrote: I had a look last night and switched on the "Day time running lights" on the iDrive but that didn't make a difference.  Not sure what day time running lights do when switched on. Thanks Andrew

Side lights that are 'on' all the time, think back to early (80's) Saab's and Volvo's, the new range of Audi's which have LED lights. 

Sporty1 wrote: Andrew Rolland wrote: I had a look last night and switched on the "Day time running lights" on the iDrive but that didn't make a difference.  Not sure what day time running lights do when switched on. Thanks Andrew Side lights that are 'on' all the time, think back to early (80's) Saab's and Volvo's, the new range of Audi's which have LED lights.

Volvo's run with side lights on all the time.

Car is in with Harry Fairbair today.

They phoned to say that is was a programming fault.  They ten went on to say that re-programming was not covered by Warranty.

I then told them that I had been told by their service manager that it was covered by warranty.  The service manager phoned the warranty compnay on the day I went in and they told him that is was covered.

They then phoned back to say sorry yes it was covered.

My car is getting re-programme and to quote the guy on the phone "it will be updated as of today to match the programmes that are installed on E60's coming off the production line and that I might notice some differences with the iDrive settings" 

Wait and see.

They gave me an E90 318i to drive.  It's really uncomfy, no leather, manual and really slow.  Nowt happens in 5th gear when you floor it.

Andrew

Andrew Rolland wrote: They gave me an E90 318i to drive.  It's really uncomfy, no leather, manual and really slow.  Nowt happens in 5th gear when you floor it. Andrew

Ofcourse something happens...the 1.3 diesel Vectras are tearing past you

BB

BeemaBoy wrote: Ofcourse something happens...the 1.3 diesel Vectras are tearing past you BB

I think it was a Yaris and a Focus.

Lights all fixed now.

Harry Fairbairs staff were most pleasent. 

They talked to me, not at me or over me like some dealers do. 

And they gave me my car back at the end of the day which was an improvement over the last time it was in at a main dealer!

Andrew

kbannon wrote: Still getting worked up over a trivial issue like getting your car nicked from the dealers?

Er yeah!

Still out of pocket by over £700!  Not had my excess back either.

Hmph the cheek!

kbannon wrote: you serious? I thought you had applied and got it back? Whats going on?

I had the craic with my solicitor a week past on Friday and he told me to keep going with the insurance company.

Called the insurance company and they will pursue my excess and any other costs from the third party.  It is not their highest priority as the sums of money are low (in the grand scheme of things).

I need to detail my costs in full to the insurance company and they will pass it on.

I'll update the original post at some point.

Andrew

BeemaBoy wrote: Andrew Rolland wrote: And they gave me my car back at the end of the day which was an improvement over the last time it was in at a main dealer! Andrew I just love how trivial you make the whole thing sound! BB

Yeah that's right, dead trivial, Mr Bannon thought so too.

Andrew