I've just renewed my road tax online, two weeks before it's due to expire. It may be a good idea to renew your road tax NOW (online) if it's due to expire on the 31st March 2007.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_4022117 - Online Road Tax

Speculation is, that there could be higher road taxes coming with immediate effect from the 21st March 2007 (post Budget).

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/411b0fb0-d405-11db-83d5-000b5df10621,dwp_uuid=2f7f9ed0-9b50-11db-aa70-0000779e2340.html - 2007 UK Budget

Save some £££ folks, you know it makes sense..

Vote New Labour out at next election. You know it makes sense.

Surprise us all and vote in UKIP instead..... now that would really stir things up....

Horsetan wrote: ...vote in UKIP instead..... now that would really stir things up....

or the Greens - you know it makes sense 

Horsetan wrote: Vote New Labour out at next election. You know it makes sense.

Ok then but who do we vote for instead?

UKIP? Er no, bunch of pointless fools

BNP? No, bunch of even more pointless fools.

Conservative? Can you tell the difference between these guys and new labour?

Green? They'd ban our cars for a start so NO.

Lib dem? They'd put up taxes even more and the motorist would not get an easier time than they are now.

I would love to vote for someone else, I just need a party worthy of my vote...

BNP? No, bunch of even more pointless fools. ??????

I'm struggling to imagine they would be more pointless than the ones we already have, at least we may get some sense on imigration.

Nigel wrote: BNP? No, bunch of even more pointless fools. ?????? I'm struggling to imagine they would be more pointless than the ones we already have, at least we may get some sense on imigration.

Well said Nigel, with you 110% on that point! I'm not a big fan of their earlier years policies but I think they are better reformed for the better. It's only a matter of time before enough people get fed up with the way our country is being run down.

Mike

The BNP believe in repatriation for all none whites. So anyone who isn't white will be sent back to the country that their family originally came from, even people who are second and third generation in this country.

So yes a bunch of pointless fools.

Peter Fenwick wrote: The BNP believe in repatriation for all none whites. So anyone who isn't white will be sent back to the country that their family originally came from, even people who are second and third generation in this country. So yes a bunch of pointless fools.

Well said Peter. Where do the Ugandans go?

The whole taxing the 4x4 thing, I feel, is just the begining. Once the leftys have got them baned it won't be long before they turn there attentions to large cars then anything over 1000cc, by which time they'll have us living in bloody caves again.

I say we should rise up and have a cull of all the lefty greenies just think of the amount of greenhouse gases they produce endlessly talking about the environment. We would be saving the planet!

Sporty1 wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: The BNP believe in repatriation for all none whites. So anyone who isn't white will be sent back to the country that their family originally came from, even people who are second and third generation in this country. So yes a bunch of pointless fools. Well said Peter. Where do the Ugandans go?

Not sure whther you are being sarcastic or not.

Let me put it this way, my best mans girlfirend and the mother of his child is only second generation Uk. She was born here but her parents weren't. She works in the NHS as a cardiologist and contributes to our society just tha same as me or anyone else.

However as a none white she would not fair too well under the BNPs rule.

The BNP aren't about reducing imigration or stopping illegals getting into the country, they're about getting rid of anyone who isn't white regardless of why there here and how long they've been here.

If people don't have a problem with that then go ahead and vote for them.

grahame34m5 wrote: The whole taxing the 4x4 thing, I feel, is just the begining. Once the leftys have got them banned it won't be long before they turn there attentions to large cars then anything over 1000cc, by which time they'll have us living in bloody caves again. I say we should rise up and have a cull of all the lefty greenies just think of the amount of greenhouse gases they produce endlessly talking about the environment. We would be saving the planet!

lmao

Peter Fenwick wrote: Sporty1 wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: The BNP believe in repatriation for all none whites. So anyone who isn't white will be sent back to the country that their family originally came from, even people who are second and third generation in this country. So yes a bunch of pointless fools. Well said Peter. Where do the Ugandans go? Not sure whther you are being sarcastic or not. Let me put it this way, my best mans girlfirend and the mother of his child is only second generation Uk. She was born here but her parents weren't. She works in the NHS as a cardiologist and contributes to our society just tha same as me or anyone else. However as a none white she would not fair too well under the BNPs rule. The BNP aren't about reducing imigration or stopping illegals getting into the country, they're about getting rid of anyone who isn't white regardless of why there here and how long they've been here. If people don't have a problem with that then go ahead and vote for them.

Second generation myself Peter, so no, I'm not being sarcastic sorry if it came accros that way.

My best friend wife gave birth to their second last week, he's also second generation however his wife isn't....where the hell do they go?

They just haven't really thought it out have they?

Peter Fenwick wrote: Sporty1 wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: The BNP believe in repatriation for all none whites. So anyone who isn't white will be sent back to the country that their family originally came from, even people who are second and third generation in this country. So yes a bunch of pointless fools. Well said Peter. Where do the Ugandans go? Not sure whther you are being sarcastic or not. Let me put it this way, my best mans girlfirend and the mother of his child is only second generation Uk. She was born here but her parents weren't. She works in the NHS as a cardiologist and contributes to our society just tha same as me or anyone else. However as a none white she would not fair too well under the BNPs rule. The BNP aren't about reducing imigration or stopping illegals getting into the country, they're about getting rid of anyone who isn't white regardless of why there here and how long they've been here. If people don't have a problem with that then go ahead and vote for them.

I was under the impression that is their old regime and not what they are about now. I have some family who are second generation Jamaicans so would also come under this ruling. One of them is a DCI in the police, the other works as a court administrator so also both contribute. What gets me is the ones who cannot speak anything that remotely resembles our language but can take our council houses which our tax has paid for and have benefits that we pay for. I do not see this as fair in any way, shape or form. It is this that needs to be stopped to stop our country going completely down the pan. I am a firm believer in "when in Rome...etc..." so why is it we have to give them their own space to practise what they want to do and if we oppose it we are being racist?  angry? don't even get me started.

Sorry, I appear to have veered off topic, not digging at any remarks on here but we have touched a subject very close to my heart and it makes my blood boil.

Mike

Mike

^^

We're all racist at heart. Deep down. Some deeper than others.

Horsetan wrote: ^^ We're all racist at heart. Deep down. Some deeper than others.

Such a true comment horsey.

I too wasn't aware thats what the BNP stood for now, and to be honest I doubt it is, they just seem to rattle PF's cage

If you really want to be able to propound the policies you want, you might want to have a go a standing in your local constituency as an Independent candidate.

With the "right" (and did I say "the right"? I meant "plausibly attractive") policies, you could find yourself in the Commons at the next General Election. Ask Martin Bell and that doctor fella from Wyre Forest....

And with sufficient numbers of Independents in the Commons, things could get interesting politically....very interesting.....

So, who's up for it, then?

will the gas guzzling tax include the governments ministerial cars?

silly me, of course not....... doctor these painkillers are a bit too strong!

stephenperry wrote: i'd vote Clarkson for PM but he's a rabid pro-Tory....

Errm, no, Stephen. Just rabid. He'd go well with Jean-Marie Le Pen.....

^^

This fella:

He's also French. Which would please Clarkson no end

what's happened to his face?  he looks a bit like Mr Potato Head

stephenperry wrote: what's happened to his face? ...

I think he's just spotted a non-white (probably Muslim) immigrant in his line of vision....

Rossi wrote: Stephen, le pomme de terre has more uses tho..

you're right, i think that guy just has a chip on his shoulder.....

Peter Fenwick wrote: Sporty1 wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: The BNP believe in repatriation for all none whites. So anyone who isn't white will be sent back to the country that their family originally came from, even people who are second and third generation in this country. So yes a bunch of pointless fools. Well said Peter. Where do the Ugandans go? Not sure whther you are being sarcastic or not. Let me put it this way, my best mans girlfirend and the mother of his child is only second generation Uk. She was born here but her parents weren't. She works in the NHS as a cardiologist and contributes to our society just tha same as me or anyone else. However as a none white she would not fair too well under the BNPs rule. The BNP aren't about reducing imigration or stopping illegals getting into the country, they're about getting rid of anyone who isn't white regardless of why there here and how long they've been here. If people don't have a problem with that then go ahead and vote for them.

did the english goverment not bring in people from the british empire as cheap labour for the rebuilding of the country after WW2. so in effect BNP are reversing what previous goverments did. dont mind the lng term ones that will actually work and pay their ways but the feckers from romania and the rest who are smuggled over dont want to work and just deal in the black market - ship them home as they are supposed to seek asylum in the first port of call, generally france, germany etc.

Nigel wrote: Horsetan wrote: ^^ We're all racist at heart. Deep down. Some deeper than others. Such a true comment horsey. I too wasn't aware thats what the BNP stood for now, and to be honest I doubt it is, they just seem to rattle PF's cage

This is what they stood for a few years ago, however more recently they have toned down their approach in order to try to appeal to a wider audience. However it still the same people running the party so what you've got to ask yourself is can a leopard change it's spots.

Also their current veiws seem to hint to the view that your not british unless you have been here for hundreds of years. Here's what it says on their website:

'The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe. The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.'

So unless you are what they term indigenous do you think they are interested in you?

Peter Fenwick wrote: Nigel wrote: Horsetan wrote: ^^ We're all racist at heart. Deep down. Some deeper than others. Such a true comment horsey. I too wasn't aware thats what the BNP stood for now, and to be honest I doubt it is, they just seem to rattle PF's cage   This is what they stood for a few years ago, however more recently they have toned down their approach in order to try to appeal to a wider audience. However it still the same people running the party so what you've got to ask yourself is can a leopard change it's spots. Also their current veiws seem to hint to the view that your not british unless you have been here for hundreds of years. Here's what it says on their website: 'The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe. The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations.'   So unless you are what they term indigenous do you think they are interested in you?

All smacks a little of a certain small Austrian chap with a funny tash who was highly active in the 1930's.

They may have changed their stance to appeal to a wider 'audience', but doesn't every political party do that??...... and when they're in power they do as they please as we've got to put up with them for four years....a lot happens in four years..... New Labour prime example.   

Don't believe the hype....unless you want to of course.

Peter Fenwick wrote: ....unless you are what they term indigenous do you think they are interested in you?

They will be if an Enabling Act is passed.....

So unless you are what they term indigenous do you think they are interested in you?

It doesn't matter a stuff Peter, I'm caucasian, so I'll be ok ( and they aren't likely to gain power...are they ?)

I like the way they wind the pc brigade up, it makes I chuckle

AHUM!

Much as I hate to break up an interesting discussion, isn't this thread drifting wildly off-topic??

thepits wrote: AHUM! Much as I hate to break up an interesting discussion, isn't this thread drifting wildly off-topic??

and ? ( so shutit)

Rossi wrote: I've just renewed my road tax online, two weeks before it's due to expire. It may be a good idea to renew your road tax NOW (online) if it's due to expire on the 31st March 2007. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_4022117 - Online Road Tax Speculation is, that there could be higher road taxes coming with immediate effect from the 21st March 2007 (post Budget). http://www.ft.com/cms/s/411b0fb0-d405-11db-83d5-000b5df10621,dwp_uuid=2f7f9ed0-9b50-11db-aa70-0000779e2340.html - 2007 UK Budget Save some £££ folks, you know it makes sense..

shan't  (at niggles)

More bad news for motorists

The Chancellor Gordon Brown has just delivered his budget speech in the House of Commons, and as we feared, there’s more bad news for motorists.

http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/16052/FSbudget2007-L.jpg" target=_popup>
You know you want that Aygo...

As predicted, the Chancellor has hit hardest those cars that fall into the top tax bracket based on CO2 emissions. The road tax charges for vehicles in the top category (over 225g/km CO2) will rise to £300 this year, and then to £400 in April 2008.

Petrol duty is set to rise by 2p per litre this year – although the change is deferred until October – with a further 2p rise the following year and a 1.8p rise per litre in 2009.

Performance motoring just became even more expensive.

Well anyone with a band G car, which basically covers most 4x4s and sports cars, is now going to pay £300 rising to 400 next year.

Band F, which covers most of our cars, is only going to rise by £10.

So not to bad for me then but anyone with a 4x4 or an M series car is going to suffer.

Peter Fenwick wrote: anyone with a 4x4 or an M series car is going to suffer.

unless registered before 2001, which aren't liable for tax banding....  the duty on these will rise £5 this year, £5 next year, and £5 the year after....

stephenperry wrote: unless registered before 2001, which aren't liable for tax banding....  the duty on these will rise £5 this year, £5 next year, and £5 the year after....

which is good news for us 'classic-car' drivers

now lets watch the used car prices rise.........

Rossi wrote: Is there a possibility that we have a road politics thread (like the neverending thread) where we can all discuss transport/road related topics?

Err,

may I refer you to........

http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=10&PN=1 - http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=10&P N=1

especially..........

• Politics and Religion. This is not a political or religious site, this is a BMW Enthusiasts site, please do not post on any issue that can be considered as political as someone will always be offended.

they can be a touchy lot on here  

thepits wrote: stephenperry wrote: unless registered before 2001, which aren't liable for tax banding....  the duty on these will rise £5 this year, £5 next year, and £5 the year after.... which is good news for us 'classic-car' drivers now lets watch the used car prices rise.........

could be a good selling point in a private sale... much like tax-exempt classics (despite the government freezing the tax-exemption at a specific year instead of their original plan of cars over so many years old )

but your vitara and compact are more than 6 years old aren't they Rhys?  in which case you've nothing to worry about... it will be £190 a year for 12-months tax (a fiver increase on the current £185) which is applicable to all vehicles registered before 2001, no matter what engine capacity they are or co2 they produce

stephenperry wrote: thepits wrote: stephenperry wrote: unless registered before 2001, which aren't liable for tax banding....  the duty on these will rise £5 this year, £5 next year, and £5 the year after.... which is good news for us 'classic-car' drivers now lets watch the used car prices rise......... could be a good selling point in a private sale... much like tax-exempt classics (despite the government freezing the tax-exemption at a specific year instead of their original plan of cars over so many years old )

Still, 3430cc = £180 per 12 months =

Horsetan wrote: stephenperry wrote: thepits wrote: stephenperry wrote: unless registered before 2001, which aren't liable for tax banding....  the duty on these will rise £5 this year, £5 next year, and £5 the year after.... which is good news for us 'classic-car' drivers now lets watch the used car prices rise......... could be a good selling point in a private sale... much like tax-exempt classics (despite the government freezing the tax-exemption at a specific year instead of their original plan of cars over so many years old ) Still, 3430cc = £180 per 12 months =

remember years ago that they threatened to get rid of SORN and have you tax all the way through no matter what?   place your bets....

What you really need is nice runabout which was registered or built before 1st January 1973.... Let's see...

VW Beetle

Citroen DS

NSU 1000, 1200, TT, TTS, Ro80

BMW E3, E9, E10, Neue Klasse, etc.

Rover P5 / P6....

Triumph Herald

Jensen Interceptor

Oh the agony of choice....

m3tiko wrote: I just wanted to say my 2ps' worth but I'd just get the topic locked so I shan't bother.

but you did...anyway  

m3tiko wrote: On topic....if you can afford the car then you can afford the rest imo...just my pennies worth.

It seems inflation has put your penny's worth up to 2p, that'll be the thread closed shortly then..

if the jensen wasn't on that particular list (7.2 or 6.2 litres of pure V8 (wheres the drooling smiley??!))  i'd have the rover p5 (yes yes i know, but in those days..... the queen had one for god sake!)

'course, at high-tens for mpg if you're lucky then http://www.wavcentral.com/sounds/movies/shaft/func_g.mp3 - Golden Brown gets it off you another way - through fuel duty...  

stephenperry wrote: 'course, with the jensen or rover at high-tens for mpg if you're lucky then http://www.wavcentral.com/sounds/movies/shaft/func_g.mp3 - Golden Brown gets it off you another way - through fuel duty...

should have made that clearer, sorry Mr V

Horsetan wrote: What you really need is nice runabout which was registered or built before 1st January 1973.... Let's see... VW Beetle Citroen DS NSU 1000, 1200, TT, TTS, Ro80 BMW E3, E9, E10, Neue Klasse, etc. Rover P5 / P6.... Triumph Herald Jensen Interceptor Oh the agony of choice....

1972 Porsche 911 2.4 S

or if one can stretch to it a 2.7 RS.

I'm not quite sure I understand the tax band thingy? I run a 4 litre V8 which is niether a 4x4 nor an M powered car. If I was to turn down my emissions for the next MOT, can I not ensure being in the lower band?

Mike

a good idea, but it won't wash i'm afraid.... if it's new then check here:

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ved-information.asp - http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ved-information.asp

if its old then check http://www.parkers.co.uk - www.parkers.co.uk technical data section for c02 emissions on your chosen car and work it out here....

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ved-information.asp - http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ved-information.asp

as well as checking parkers you can verify their info by checking here

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/downloads/index.asp - http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/downloads/index.asp

540 V8 wrote: I'm not quite sure I understand the tax band thingy? I run a 4 litre V8 which is niether a 4x4 nor an M powered car. If I was to turn down my emissions for the next MOT, can I not ensure being in the lower band? Mike

i reiterate, it does not affect cars that were registered before march 2001 and it's worked out by manufacturers book figures, not on a car by car basis

The cost of vehicle tax for pre-march 2001 cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences

Calculate the cost of your vehicle tax using the tax tables below. The rates of vehicle tax take effect for vehicle licences taken out from 22 March 2007.

Private/light goods TC11

Private/light goods	12 months rate £	6 months rate £
Not over 1549cc	115.00	63.25
Over 1549cc	180.00	99.00

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524 - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTax YourVehicle/DG_10012524

and for cars registered after march 2001?

anyone want an E30 M3?

Buy one now before the prices go up

thepits wrote: anyone want an E30 M3? Buy one now before the prices go up

nobody wants one of them

Horsetan wrote: VW Beetle Citroen DS NSU 1000, 1200, TT, TTS, Ro80 BMW E3, E9, E10, Neue Klasse, etc. Rover P5 / P6.... Triumph Herald Jensen Interceptor Oh the agony of choice....

LOL

The BMWs yes and the Jensen interceptor definately.

the Rover P5/P6 maybe...

The rest you can keep

thepits wrote: anyone want an E30 M3? Buy one now before the prices go up

No thanks, if I wanted a rusty car I'd buy and Alfa

Peter Fenwick wrote: thepits wrote: anyone want an E30 M3? Buy one now before the prices go up No thanks, if I wanted a rusty car I'd buy and Alfa

No....if you want a pile of rust you buy an Alfa.

Thanks Stephen, I thought I was missing something but I'm sure I am correct in assuming that my car, being registered in 1994, still falls in the old tax system, i.e. £180 a year?

In that case I can still   without  every time I have to shake the pennies from my  which means I will still look like

They don't make it easy do they!!

Parkers didn't have the CO2 readings, the space was blank for my car!

Looks like I'll be happy motoring in my car for many years to come.

Who said the government were all bad!

Mike

aye, you're spot on Mike

i can't see it lasting, but enjoy it while you can

same as lpg - subsidised until it gets popular, then bang, it's harvest time!

hmm..looks like the government want people to look after older cars, don't mind doing that..

And it only cost me £175 for the year march 31st 2007-2008[see initial thread post]

no, they don't... successive governments want to get old cars off the road (higher emissions, less safety, less taxable income, driven by the "poor people" who cant afford anything better, untaxed, uninsured, unmot'ed...... all the usual claptrap), which is what makes me suspicious to their continued leniency

Nigel wrote: thepits wrote: anyone want an E30 M3? Buy one now before the prices go up nobody wants one of them

like you don't?

p.s. this thread is so much fun it deserves sticky status!

thepits wrote: Nigel wrote: thepits wrote: anyone want an E30 M3? Buy one now before the prices go up nobody wants one of them like you don't?

I definitely detect a note of desperation here

Horsetan wrote: thepits wrote: Nigel wrote: thepits wrote: anyone want an E30 M3? Buy one now before the prices go up nobody wants one of them like you don't? I definitely detect a note of desperation here

HT - I'm not desperate to sell.. at least it works - unlike an 'over!

Derek M5 wrote: Tsk tsk, a moderator encouraging a thread that breathes the rules he holds sooo dear? Whatever next I ask??

A moderator catching out another moderator??

(p.s. read my sig  )

Rhys wrote: tut tut.. these newbies eh?

yes I know - only just got over 3000 posts -tush!

thepits wrote: Rhys wrote: tut tut.. these newbies eh? yes I know - only just got over 3000 posts -tush!

One being in swmbo's white 318is e30...

Rossi wrote: One being in swmbo's white 318is e30...

two actually - see the gallery of disaster - and him not even a forum member

3200 posts, is that all

Mind you Pits, you've only got 4500 odd...

Peter Fenwick wrote: 3200 posts, is that all Mind you Pits, you've only got 4500 odd...

Small beer.

thepits wrote: give me time and I'll work out the average number of posts based on joining date - then we'll see!

has anyone ever told you you may have too much time on your hands?

Rhys wrote: Rossi wrote: that wont be including mods posts tho...will it? separate posts - not edits.

so yes then

Horsetan wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: 3200 posts, is that all Mind you Pits, you've only got 4500 odd... Small beer.

HT 4th in the list of all time posts (av 4.32)

PF 8th - at an average of 3.84

thepits - only 10th with 3.39 ......

BUT 4th out of 11 for the mods!

(so much moderating, so little time)