Hello all,

Due to the recent interest i have made a few enquiries with a few remapping companies, So anybody who is interested in the idea first of all please reply with your car model and year and your name.

I need to get numbers first and then we can decide on a date and whether we want to get a straight remap or a rolling road session too. But in order to finalise prices i need to know how many are interested.

Ill start off so with

1991 525i 24 valve. - Ben O Brien

Its martin duffy at autoremap that i have been speaking to, Robbie at TDP is putting together prices too,

Im sure since it was partly martin who did your car hell be able to take it off.. or perhaps offer a better solution as my understanding is he uses different software now.

Paddy Duncan.....E36 318i convertible, and possibly E36 813iS coupe.

Very interested in the rolling road session too, and ideas on dates yet?

Pardon the typo.....possibly 318iS coupe.......

Noted, may organise a seperate rolling road session its just that it is very expensive for remaps with rolling road sessions built in well say in the one day,

Are you the paddy that came along to the economy run near killaloe last year, only recognised when you mentioned the car! Im the young lad with the red 5..

Yes Martin would be my first choice i always find him nice to deal with.

Ok so thats 3 so far!!

ok 4 i think we were typing at the same time!

If we are stuck for numbers my folks want the landcruiser done too so thats another 1 and i am looking at options for a V70 Turbo at the mo so that may be another one..

You'll be delighted with yours Denis thats for sure!!

Ben that was me at the economy run! Good day out nice spin too.

If its too pricey for the rolling road im sure the remap will be good enough on its own! Just thought it would be nice to see the gains on paper/screen after the job!

Cheers!

Ill have to ask martin about that, He is now using different software and has asked what cars are to be done so i presume he will know which will give decent gains and which wont.

TDP have yet to get back to me but when they do ill put together a price for the rolling road/remap combined,

Ok we are 8 now, not so bad, jesus mick that massive miles you must be never off the road!!

what a find, 12k!!

Know the feeling with the mileage, i put 32k miles on my TD in a litle over a year, already put 6 k on the 525i since november!

22mpg, heavy right foot??!!

I get about 26 out of mine and its non vanos albeit the same basic engine.

Yes im sure martin will be able to tune it to your specific needs, even a generic map on your car will see + 30 bhp i would imagine. I will find out more,

Id say 10 to a max of 15hp extra and a 1-2mpg, Ill be getting my 525i done as i have heard positive reports, up to 207bhp, and these are essentially the same engine so id say it will increase alright, a k and n panel filter is next on the list, then find out if its got cats, if it does they are in for a rude awakening!!

I don't know about Ireland, but here cars from 93 on are cat compulsary for MOT as I do remember my mate Adys car is a 91 with cat fitted but was told by the MOT tester that it wasn't needed on his car

Paul

Very good, i think its similar here but the older it is the less stringent the emissions test is so im not too worried,

Ok thats 10 thanks dermot,

Sorry mick i was replying to the question on the 320d should have made it clearer!

Sign me up aswell Ben.  Colin Ahern E36 323i

 I've been looking to do this for a while and I've heard of a crowd in Ennis that are doing it.Dont remember their name but I think its the Tyre place just before Tipsy McStaggers. Around  200 euros for the job

Mick - according to the auto remap website you should get an extra 12 ponies. If anyone wants to checkout the (reported)gains on their car         &nb sp;  http://www.autoremap.com/index.php?page=db - Look

Ok well that would be 11 so including colin,

@Mick i would have hoped for better gains for your car, mine is supposed to rise to 207..

@ Colin is that the Clare Road Tyre Centre there near Francie Daly's?? I buy all my tires in there but never saw any remapping service, Martin normally charges 350 euro, the last day we had a group buy it was 250 euro. Sam motors on the quin road have started doing this and charge a whopping 600euro per car!! And no Rolling Road!!

Ok so do people want to go west with this or do we want to stay with dun laoire with martin?? Wait For Prices??

Does anyone know the cost from TTM in Galway?  Do they do remap or just piggyback systems?

If it's a west thing, I can try and sort the ssame accomadation as before for people if they want, but that'd mean an overnight in Galway!!!

I understand if you prefer to do it in Limerick, Ben - it's your shout.

Thanks for the suggestion Fey, I have heard great reports on them, and they throw in a rolling road too..

Will give them a shout, have just sent the list to logic automotive too, but they are in dublin,

Any excuse for an overnighter id say! Will get back with prices, i phoned them before about the 525td and it was 400euro including rr,

At the moment this is the list of cars i have down to do it, this ok with everyone??

91 525i 24 valve - Me
00 Volvo V70 2.0T Classic 163 - Me
98 e39 525 TDS - Denis
04 E46 320d - Gonzo
01 e39 525i 24v twin vanos - dermot
02 e39 525i 24v twin vanos - Mick
98 e39 520i 24v - david
?? e36 318i Convertable - Paddy
?? E36 318is Coupe - Paddys mate
93 e36 316i - Eric
92 520i 24v - Ivan
?? e36 323i Coupe - Colin

And possibly a 3.0TD Landcruiser passenger jeep, 2000 if the gains are respectable.

Just got off the phone to TTM and he said that all of their maps are live and not generic and hence it takes them a full day pretty much to do a map so he had no interest in doing the mapping side of things, he did however mention he would do a dyno day for us if we were interested for 60euro per car,

Ok i will see what Robbie at TDP has to say, if he can do it it would be a result as he will also do the Rolling Roading for us..

Hi all,

Just got off the phone to robbie at TDP and he really knows his stuff, tol me it would be limited to 10-12/13 cars split over a saturday and sunday, He is based in wicklow and can probably help sort accomodation for those needing it,

The time frame would be the end of february, we talked about the 25/26,

More importantly he spoke honestly of the cars mentioned, said for most of the e46/e39s he would even out the torque and provide about 8-10bhp at most, but it would be noticeable.

He mentioned that post 99 cars could be flashed through the OBD port and would take around an hour to do, however most others would be in or around 3 hours so we would have to have a mix of pre and post 99 cars on the one day to make up time so to speak. He had heard of the last mapping day and understood fully the goings on surrounding the e46/e39 fiasco.

He will also put the car on a dyno before and after to show the results.

I for one am most impressed with them out of all i have looked at, he didnt seem to have any interest in ripping us off either which is very important! Cost is 350 euro per car which in my mind isnt bad considering the expertise and the fact a dynopack will be used quite a lot on each car. He said there will be a very detailed print out not just a dyno graph.

The results for some of the diesels are astounding, proven 240-250 bhp from 530d's..

@ Denis and Gonzo. be prepared to be peeling yourselves from the back seat afterwards!

How do we all feel about this??

@ Brendan, yes i would imagine that would benefit greatly, let me know if your still interested.. after reading ^^^^

Ben...I'm still intersested, either of the dates mentioned suit me. Better for getting it dyno'd too!! Is there a location?

Cheers

@ Brendan, Yeah the price is firm, your car would respond very well indeed, VAG group tdi's are one of the most popular cars to be remapped,

@ Denis, try 185 bhp!! Though you can tell him what you want be it economy or power or whatever as these are live maps.

@ llatsni, Yes i agree totally, hence going to TDP, he gave off the impression of honesty and integrity. Which cant be said of a lot, Martin at westward i found very difficult to get hold of and TTM have no interest, I feel TDP fit the bill quite well. Everyone ive spoken to today that have dealt with Robbie before have only positive things to say and he is well respected in the motorsport industry.

The fact that his dyno tests are so thorough before and after and hence showing any gains IMO shows his service to be decent and honest??

Forgot to add the location is:

http://www.tdp.ie/location.htm - http://www.tdp.ie/location.htm

Sounds good.  Nice work, Ben.

I'm up for the Sunday - will be working the Saturday and Monday, and no chance of time off for me in February.

Can he give you coordinates for GPS systems - might be easier for people to find.

Yes your right Gonzo,

I would imagine any negatives would be slightly more wear on Turbo etc due to higher boosting but i did about 20k on my chipped TDs and it had absolutely no trouble once serviced regulary, There is a happy medium with all mapping you can get 1000 bhp with a turbo car but dont expect it to drive any further than out of the garage!!!

Ok i have just heard back from Martin In AutoRemap and the same 2 day thing will apply and his price will be between 250 and 300euro. Albeit with no rolling road and they will be generic maps.

Ill put up a poll and those who want to attend please vote between autoremap at say 275 per car and tdp at 350 but including before and after rolling road sessions.

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Also anyone with a E46/E39 M cars with no mods need not apply, it is well documented that there is nearly no HP gain from remapping a stock car unless you want to ruin drivablity and realiablity. BMW M division really are quit good at what they do.

Actually... I think most cars E46/E39 and post apply to this theory.
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Ok Point taken. But Robbie has offered a map that is arguably better than a generic one, Naturally Aspirated Cars arent the biggest contendors for mapping anyway but it can make a difference and IMO if any tuner is going to have good results with an e39/46 it is more likely to be this one than some lad with a laptop full of generic maps.

Im not forcing anyone to do this, i am merely making an effort for those who do actually want their cars mapped to make it cheaper and have a fun day or two out of it.

Its yer money that will be spent so do your research and see if ye will be happy with it im only relaying the facts as they were told to me.

I understand completely, I dont exactly want someone shelling out cash for a map that doesnt work, again.

Well you will definitely be pleased so,

Hi Ben

are there still open places for the remapping thingy?

Might get my e34 540i manual done.

I understand the price to be around 350 and that it includes a rolling road before and after? Had a look at there page but couldn't find any figures (which is probably a good thing).

Yeah there is still places, im not going to turn anyone away as we can take 12-13 ish but naturally with all events some people cant make it for variuos reasons closer to the event, So ill pencil you in for this,

Ill give Robbie a call re your car, id be interested myself too to see what they can do! Cant wait to hear the roar off it on the dyno!

Yeah the price will be a firm 350 regardless of the car including both dyno sessions, its not just a quick one before and after he will do 5 or 6 runs or however many necessary to get an average figure at optimum running temperature,

Talk to you more about this on sunday,

Cheers

Ben

Thanx mate

and yep the niose comin of it should be fun. The last time I saw a dynothingy was 20 years ago in Buchloe (Alpina they take the engines out and run it in a seperate room build for that purpose was a shed 20 years ago so I never saw a car straped to one of them thingies. The pics of theres shows one where they take the tyres of?

Anyhow chat to you sunday

Personally ive never been at a rolling road, seen plenty on videos but never actually been to one so it should be interesting!

I hope i can bring my V70 to it, Just collected it from volvo yesterday as it needed anti roll bar links and a ball joint, now im told it needs an electronic throttle body (they are known for eating them) and an intercooler piping kit so a further 1500euro to the 900 yesterday  . However when its remapped i should be getting in or around 230 bhp!! From a 2.0T...

Talk soon

Ben

While you're on about Volvos, Digweed and myself encountered the proud owner of a T5 last week, who's hoping to have it back on the road soon.  Bought it off some young lad in Limerick.....

I was at a rolling road session a few years ago, a guy came along and stuck his m3 evo on for the craic. The sound was deafening but sweet. it was awesome. 325BHP standard.

Ha ha Liam Martin!! Ya thats my old T5, he crashed it shortly after buying it off me!

Car was lovely and in mint order but the slushbox ruined it for me. The V70 when i have the dual exhaust and decat done will make clean sh(te of a standard T5 without the insurance group 18 rating!!

Ya the M3's would be lovely on one i would imagine,

i would be intrested in a remap on a 530d what would be the power gain roughly and would it put  extra load on the turbo and would it efect fuel consumtion, i had a revo chip put on a audi 1.8 turbo before and was told it wouldnt efect fuel consumption but it did, it made a big differece to power but the car didnt run as smooth it used to kind of kick back sometimes after you planted the boot, has anybody out there remapped their diesels and what were the results

thanks

At the last remapping day a friend from the forum got a 02 530d remapped and the results are astounding. So much so if i could afford it i would buy a 530d sport manual over an e36 m3.

Robbie has remapped quite a lot of 530d's, we actually spoke about them for a good 10-15 mins on the phone, he is actually developing uprated intercoolers for them at the moment. Best thing is tell him what you want yourself. The typical bhp quoted for one was skyward of 240bhp. The best was 290 on standard intercooler but this was the e60 530d which i understand to have 218bhp,

I presume yours is the 193 bhp version?

The fuel consumption depends on how you drive it. on my chipped diesel it greatly improved everything including economy on a like for like basis. Im only too sad now that i dont have a diesel to bring to the mapping day as they are by far the best for results and transformation ( closely followed by turbo petrols )

HTH

Ben

Ben,

Count me in as a definite (unless something mad happens). Either Saturday or Sunday is fine. Has to be the live map and rolling road though.

cheers.

Hi lads, have replied to adrian by pm just there, i have sent robbie an email and havent got any reply. ill be ringing him tomorrow as he was supposed to be getting back to me last monday. If not ill give martin treacy a call in westward. I agree it has to be a live map and rr due to the type of cars we have listed as generics arent really worth their weight on petrol modern bm's.

@ireland offline, i believe we met at the agm, no problem ill find out about gains if any for your car,

Thanks all for the interest and the patience!!

Ben

Ben O Brien wrote: @ireland offline, i believe we met at the agm, no problem ill find out about gains if any for your car,

Cheers, appreciate that .

Right i have been talking to martin at autoremap again. I am fed up to the teeth of Robbie not replying to my correspondance and he hasnt gone near a car yet so in lieu of possible problems im doubtful about this arrangement.

I spoke to martin and he is still willing to map some cars for us, however he did say that e46/39 petrols are pretty much a waste of time. So if any TD/older e36/34/30 owners are interested let me know if its a goer. Some people dont have much fate in the "generics" but at least martin takes pride in customer service. He also said if people want to get cars rolling roaded and if there are no gains he will refund in full and return car to standard.

One other option is Martin at westward but i genuinely havent had the time to even call him.

let me know if anyone is interested in the autoremap proposition. Im sorry to anyone who is put out by the TDP situation but if robbie isnt willing to reply to my correspondance i feel its a non runner.

Ben Chris here do you want me to pop over to the guy?

I have a client in Newcastle just down the road from where that guy is maybe I can try and prise some info and or comitment out of him?

just let me know

It might be that the prospect of 13 or so cars pulling up is worrying him. Had a look at his page and the roller he uses seems to be rather serious and time consuming. (wheels off car mounted -has to be done proper as the wheels will spin at over 200km/h - off the roller remapping back on again or if he does it on it it still takes an  hour prep .....   

Personally I wouldn't be interested in a generic map because of all the hassle of having to get it dyno tested elsewhere. This would cost in total €450+ with no guarantee of gains. I've been told with the generic maps for normally aspirated engines like my e36 M3, all you can expect is a removal of the 155mph limiter and a slight extension to the rev range with an extra 10bhp max. I think gains need to be at a more useable point like 3k or 4k revs where it can be used every day. If you have to wind the bag out of your engine to get an extra 2 or 3% increase in power, it hardly seems worth it to me.

AFAIK, Martin at Westward does great work in terms of engine tuning but would be very expensive for a proper live map, with numerous tests. Maybe Chris if you could check this guy out, and let us know the position one way or the other.  

There is still a few weeks to go to the dates mentioned, maybe the guy is seeing how other things pan out in the mean time, putting us on the long finger!

I would be more interested in the live session to be honest, try to maximise power through each gear etc.

That was pretty much my line of thinkin. My German heritage always clashes with that aproach here as we always plan....and plan and replan german habbit

Remember Ben saying that /TDP is doing a lot of race/ralley prep for the forthcoming season.

Ben what's you position on this dont want to step on your toes

I had typed out a big reply and lost it. bloody computers,

Youve hit the nail on the head paddy, robbie said he had a lot of commitments with motorsport alright,

Chris that would be great if you could call into him, ive sent another mail now,

I understand guys i would much rather have the rolling road too and its probably only worth while with this.

If he wants to wait a week or so to have it would that be ok with everyone? Id rather feb to keep it as is to avoid disruption.

I think i added in another thread there my moby is 087 2337835 and i can be got on that anytime if anyone needs me, (mods please leave in)

And thansk for all the feedback lads

Cheers

Ben

Cool Ben will go over there tomorrow and see what the story is

took your number too so I keep u informed

and will post again as soon as I know more tomorrow.

Hi all

here the promised write-up on TDP and my meeting with Robie.

They are verry eager to do the group remap for us. I had the list of cars with me to check if he foresees any issues we should be aware of. He cant do Bens Volvo as volvos ecu's need a full day to do.

All other cars are ok. He pionted out that all pre 98 cars need their ecu's removed to get them done hence they will need 2 or 3 hours all post 98 ones get programmed trough the OBDII port and take 1hour.

We did not speak about individual gains as that partlym depends on the state of the engine as well as anything else. But he reckons that every 2litre of engine volume give a 10 to 15BHP gain on petrol engines and smoth out torque.

The cars oil should be in good condition and the clutch has to be SLIPFREE in 4th or 5th gear past 4000RPM.

He also showed me the B&B he was talking to Ben about wich is just around the corner fdrom him.

Timing wise he reckons that it will be somewhere between the earmarked weekend and the first two weekends in March as latest dates he is still waiting on two race dates for final confirmation of our dates.

I saw a Nissan Skyline being rollered while I was there. And the Dyno is an absolut peach. As the wheels get taken off and the car gets mounted directly onto it there is no slippage or movement of the vehicle while in it. The place is huge and will fit all cars inside his garage. Also it was packed with racepreped and masivly tuned Jap machinery he promised he clears that out till than.

I had a verry good feeling about the company and I for myself rather wait a wwekend or two to get it done there as they seems to be specialised on that sort of thing. (performance tuning)

Reg Chris  

Sounds like a decent setup, seems a friendly sort too, and with the amount of cars getting done he should be on to a winner.

So its just a waiting game now for the dates to come through.....at least it seems like a definite go ahead then????