So speed does kill...
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Topic: So speed does kill...
Posted By: 215DMX
Subject: So speed does kill...
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 15:51
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Shame.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/speed/default.asp?storyId=15438 |
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Posted By: IamSpartacus
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 15:58
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WTF? Why did they need to test this device on public roads in the first place?? Shocking, whoever authorised such a thing should up for manslaughter
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Posted By: 215DMX
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 16:14
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Posted By: Rossi
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 16:20
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Locally there is a safety campaign by the police to slow down whilst driving on rural roads!! You would think they should test these devices on faster roads i.e. motorways.. Sad news.. ------------- |
Posted By: IamSpartacus
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 16:20
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Can't see how the accident could have happened if they were folowing their own strict protocols on hight speed driving?? But it's the f ------------- The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. |
wits that sent them out there in the first place that should be up on a charge.... Plenty of facilities available to test these thing safely.Posted By: rr_ww
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 17:16
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I tend to go with whats said on the Evening Standard link there. It doesnt say that the Police were driving fast, and it doesnt say they were onthe wrong side of the road.
It "may" of been the other drivers fault. We don't know at this time. So lets wait for some more facts before we go blindly Police Bashing eh? ------------- Rich. 
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Posted By: skull
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 17:24
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and what was involved .. a speed camera devise.
how many more times has this sort of thing going to happen before they scrap speed cameras and concentrate on proper education and ability. i bet he was looking at the camera at the time instead of the road ahead. he should be treated the same as anyone else would be in a court for driving with undue care and attention. ------------- just a little crazy. My drive E46 M3 COUPE [MAN]CARBON BLACK GREY LEATHER H/K 19"s LED REARS S/B. |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 17:27
But blindly police bashing is so much more fun...  ------------- Ciao, Spokey 
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rr_ww wrote:Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 17:30
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Vascar has been around for ages and supprised they are just testing it in 2006. It is a manual device. How it works is simple. The car they are following passed a fixed object, start 1, they pass start 2. then when the first car passes a fixed object ahead, 1 stop, then 2 stop when the police pass. It works out the average speed.
To me it seems it can be abused as how accurate is the starting and stopping by us mere humans. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 20-November-2006 at 17:47
Oh my. 
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Posted By: Robmw
Date Posted: 21-November-2006 at 19:24
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They only need to kill 2 more then they can put a speed camera up ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 21-November-2006 at 21:41
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It's pathetic..the police need to be stamped on! They do *kof* training on the York bypass.. and were seen by several people driving so fast that all you could hear was a whistle as they flew past other cars as if they were standing - the lead car swerving all over the place while the other followed.. Is this safe driving? I think not. There are 3 places at least where police can practice driving at speed - they alternate the places and block them off for public use. As said, they should have used a motoway to test these devices - the car using the device should have had a passenger to operate the device. They say using a mobile phone while driving is dangerous - whats the difference? ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 22-November-2006 at 09:19
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I agree, lets all stop jumping to conclusions before we know the facts. ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: topazman
Date Posted: 22-November-2006 at 09:50
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Well how about this video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUMZaJRHM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUMZaJRHM ------------- Now 2004 M3 Coupe Silver Grey with all the bits |
Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 22-November-2006 at 11:47
 Thats hillarious. ------------- 1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel. 2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys. |
Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 22-November-2006 at 12:48
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it was the second police car that had the vascar fitted not the one in the crash....did some one mention getting away from the facts ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney 
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Posted By: Robmw
Date Posted: 23-November-2006 at 20:39
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Hi Muppett,
No I do not think we are getting away from it . The police were on a training exercise on public roads . A death occurred . The lead car was the car being chased Where I live both the A414 and M11 are local both are used regularly by the Met even though both are in Essex and Herts . I have seen them 5 times twice on the m11 and three times on the A414... The driving is poor . Both times on the motorway they were bullying the cars in front. One was a friday evening and 6 cars were attempting to drive in the outside lane at speeds well above the limit. On the A414 I had to slow because coming towards me were police cars overtaking and one was still on my side of the road . I have already decided that if I ever get caught up in one of their games I will block them. Rob ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 23-November-2006 at 21:03
I saw a couple of police cars doing a "chase" in town, it was hilarious: the guy in front was driving slower than my mother does.  ------------- Ciao, Spokey
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Posted By: Robmw
Date Posted: 23-November-2006 at 21:07
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I think Ive raced your mother and lost ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 12:22
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/6179632.stm - One rule for them, one rule for us .
I can see why that would be acceptable.
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 16:17
The car using the VASCAR wasn't the one that was involved in the collision. The report doesn't apportion blame for the collision on any party yet (presumably because they don't know who was to blame yet) & the report doesn't say that the Police cars were involved in chasing one another. infact it doesn't say that anyone was exceeding the limit. The poor family of the deceased don't seem to be jumping to any conclusions, yet others are. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 16:36
In which case, you might argue that speed DOESN'T kill, in which case, why are there so many scameras about? PS Got anything to say about coppers getting off speeding to the Chinese, livvy? ------------- Ciao, Spokey
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 17:58
Speed cameras are there to prevent or detect offences.
Prosecuted by his colleagues & the CPS. Given a trial like anyone else & with all the evidence before them aquitted by the court. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 18:23
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When the linch mob are on the move nothing stops them! After all why let the facts spoil a good rant ------------- Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel. |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 19:25
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which on the information in the press appears a little odd? (discuss?)
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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 19:55
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As do many other verdicts that are reported in the press. ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 20:12
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Oh yes, I can't disagree - makes you think though? Not on "a shout", going for a take-away, speeding, let off! ------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: robmw750
Date Posted: 24-November-2006 at 22:03
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I'am off for a chinese ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: skull
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 15:33
it was the second police car that had the vascar fitted not the one in the crash....did some one mention getting away from the facts [/QUOTE]my first quote is true facts, was there or not a camera devise in one of the cars. my second quote was my opinion as i read it. and vascar has been used for a while so why was they testing it ? ------------- just a little crazy. My drive E46 M3 COUPE [MAN]CARBON BLACK GREY LEATHER H/K 19"s LED REARS S/B. |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 17:16
So why, after he was acquitted, is he still facing a disciplinary hearing? Don't the police trust the courts? ------------- Ciao, Spokey
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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 17:22
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Its the same in all branches of the services, armed or not. There is a code of conduct you are expected to follow, breaching this code may not actually be criminal, but you will still be charged within the service. The most recent civvy one that annoyed me was a fireman, driving a fire engine on blues & two's, to a reported school fire with children trapped, he didn't break the speed limit for the class of vehicle, but did exceed his brigades guidelines for that class of vehicle....so he was disciplined ! I was myself charged for having a twisted shoelace in basic training, I can't imagine the local magistrates court being too hard on me, but the RAF thought it worth following up. ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |
Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 18:39
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Right - so.. It must be the fault of the old couple coming back off holliday then - either that or it will be put down as an unfortunate accident blaming road conditions. I can allready see that the police won't be found at fault - no evidence to say what happened as no-one else was there. Just out of interest was there a scene of accident investigation to see what happened and who did what - tyre marks - skidding etc.? Oh btw, the incident on the York bypass I mentioned earlier was dealt with by Della Cannings IIRC my mates brother (both of whom witnessed it) got a handwritten letter saying she was taking care of it personaly as their action was endangering the publics safety. Followed by written appologies from the drivers in question.. So it looks like the police aren't squeaky clean all of the time does it. ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 18:43
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I like speed, always thought it was the manner in which you stopped that caused injuries........ ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735 
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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 19:02
..as in it's not the fall that kills you - it's the sudden stop at the bottom.  ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: muppet 2
Date Posted: 25-November-2006 at 23:45
my first quote is true facts, was there or not a camera devise in one of the cars. Muppet no , there was not a camera device , vascar does not have a camera in it Muppet from the report the police force doing the testing had never used this device before.vascar has been about for about twenty years that i know of so this may be a new one. If it is it would have to be evalueated before its use or everyone would complain that the police were using devices that had not been tested. it can only be tested on the public roads as that is where it will be used , as had been said throughout this this thread there is no mention of blame on any party or that anyone was speeding
[/QUOTE] ------------- I have been diagnosed with ADHOtS. Attention Deficit Hyperactive Ohh that's Shiney
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Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 26-November-2006 at 18:00
Probably because he may have breached the Police drivers regulations in regards to some of his obligations under them. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: livvy
Date Posted: 26-November-2006 at 18:06
As I said the poor family of the man who died are willing to wait & see the outcome of the full IPCC investigation. With regards to your second point. No Police drivers aren't perfect & that's why they get prosecuted where there is sufficient evidence against them. ------------- My views expressed are just that. Mine & mine alone. |
Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 26-November-2006 at 19:35
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Disciplinary action - sounds familiar! The old service catch all if the courts can't prove anything is "bringing the service into disrepute". Without more facts as to what they are accused of it could be anything! Police not perfect but what would it be like without them......... ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 26-November-2006 at 21:36
It could well be. My brother was on duty when an elderly couple failed to spot the No Entry signs when the road split to go over the A1 north of Morpeth, the other carriageway was the exit slip from the A1. They collided with a car leaving the A1 on the curving slip road. They were in an Escort & both died. The guy they hit was in a Golf & he walked away. Guess what car my brother bought next. Who's to say this isn't what happened in this case? Everyone's keen to blame the police officers. Are you all whiter than white? I'll bet every single one of you has broken the speed limit & various other traffic laws more than once. As for the prat getting the Chinese - well he's probably a mason! ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 26-November-2006 at 23:06
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It would be against masonic rules (so I'm advised) to help anyone break the law, or to protect them once they have. ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |