Bimmerfest UK
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Printed Date: 02-May-2024 at 06:37
Topic: Bimmerfest UK
Posted By: baur320
Subject: Bimmerfest UK
Date Posted: 14-October-2006 at 21:46
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Bimmerfest UK - the last major show of the year - takes place at Donington Park on Sunday 22/10/06, and, bearing in mind the time of year, it's also indoors. The advert quotes Classic & Modern BMWs, Modified Cars, Trade Stands, Show Cars, Autojumble, Tuner Cars, Cars For Sale and Race Cars. There's been a trip down for this event going back to when it was the national event for the old Driver's Club. Don't expect it to be another Gaydon, because it isn't, but it's still a good day and could be the last trip out of the year. Anyone fancy a run down - was thinking of 0715 from Washington Services, 0815 Scotch Corner (Middleton Tyas) services? Cheers, Mick ------------- Current E30 325i, E36 M3 Evo, Previous E21 320/4, E9 3.0 CSA, E12 525, E30 320i, E28 528i, E34 535is, E30 318i, E28 525e, E30 325i Touring, E30 Baur 327i |
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Posted By: petetina
Date Posted: 15-October-2006 at 10:54
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we,re going down with the 7 and meeting up with a few more 7s at donnington services----its usually a really good day out travelling down from selby M18----M1 |
Posted By: baur320
Date Posted: 20-October-2006 at 17:37
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Final reminder for this weekend - meeting details below.
Cheers,
Mick ------------- Current E30 325i, E36 M3 Evo, Previous E21 320/4, E9 3.0 CSA, E12 525, E30 320i, E28 528i, E34 535is, E30 318i, E28 525e, E30 325i Touring, E30 Baur 327i |
Posted By: Carpetbagger
Date Posted: 20-October-2006 at 17:50
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hi Mick Im Undecided on going to donington as my son cant come , who else is going with you Regards Al ------------- 
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Posted By: baur320
Date Posted: 20-October-2006 at 17:57
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Alan, So far there's Lizzy, Andy, Scott and us. I've got posts on other forums so should pick up a few more. Shame those Alpinas were'nt 4 stud, mind
------------- Current E30 325i, E36 M3 Evo, Previous E21 320/4, E9 3.0 CSA, E12 525, E30 320i, E28 528i, E34 535is, E30 318i, E28 525e, E30 325i Touring, E30 Baur 327i |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 20-October-2006 at 23:38
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hi chaps. come along to the E30 Register display and say hello to us. skh 325i sport (black) |
Posted By: Jeff Spangle
Date Posted: 23-October-2006 at 10:06
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As predicted, the "official" club forum has said it was an excellent show.
Mmmm... I went yesterday and was very disappointed by the show. £10 is too much to charge for what was there, too few trade stands and it was evident that some cars had pulled out. I heard many comments from punters expressing their disappointment at the cover charge considering "is that all there is?". It is a great shame, for all those who made the effort to show a car, some travelling a fair distance the day before even. Having to clean it, wax it, position it properly then stand by it for a portion of the day to answer questions. I believe the rest of the show let those people down. It was a good show for a "first go", but it isn't a first go, it has had it's first go a few years ago. It ought to be bigger, it ought to have been as it was promoted. It wasn't. It certainly wasn't worth £10. |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 23-October-2006 at 10:15
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I enjoyed it, and from what I did hear, as I showed my car, was that the dimensions given of the hall were wrong, therefore there was more space than was anticipated as the club had turned down many requests for showing cars and only very few didn't turn up, but that's a lesson for next year Paul -------------  95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 23-October-2006 at 11:15
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It was certainly busier two years ago when I last went. If you walked slowly you could see all there was to see in half an hour so, on balance, I don't think it was worth the 360 mile round trip or the £10 entrance fee (wasn't Gaydon £6?). It wasn't bad but I doubt I'll bother going again. Maybe if they'd allowed access to the spectator stand to see some of the racing that was going on it might have added to the experience a bit. In future I'll save my time & money for the NEC Classic Car Show which is on next weekend as tbh, once you've seen one E30, E36 or even, dare I say it, E24 then you've seen them all. At least the CCS gives a bit of variety. ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Robmw
Date Posted: 23-October-2006 at 19:53
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The show was dreadful ! Last year both side car parks had stalls . I feel sorry for all the wasted effort of the members who took their cars there and put them on display. Yet again security was non existent and people were walking in from the side without being challenged and as for the car club selling fleeces with burberry insides.
Trinny and Susannah would have been rubbing their hands with glee. Being given the wrong dimensions is not an excuse. I am sure the propeganda on the other website and club magazines will say what a fantastic event it was. The best bit for me was talking to or meeting mates It was expensive , tired format. I for one will not be back. Rob ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 23-October-2006 at 23:00
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jeffS and robmw All constructive comments are useful in identifying failings BUT the clever art is turning these on their heads and coming up with some REALLY helpful comments so the event will be more sucessful next time. so heres the challange how about a continuous thread on HOW TO PLAN A GREAT BMW SHOW. lead the way chaps... |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 00:07
Easy - don't involve the BMW Car Club - the old saying about the p1ss up/brewery interface springs to mind. The problem is that the BMWCC want to turn it into a Mini Gaydon which takes away the atmosphere of the good old days of the Driver's Club. Quite simply we're all pretty fed up with BMW only shows. It's all been seen and done before ad nauseum and there isn't really a lot else to see. I got in for free, just like I did at Gaydon only at Gaydon I borrowed a ticket and cruised on through. A successful formula would be to combine a big BMW meeting with one from say the Ford RS Club, Alfa Romeo, Mercedes or Porsche clubs. At least, as Andy rightly said, there's some variety. I think Donington is dead now, it's run its course. |
M3sportEvo wrote:Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 00:37
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FFS, I read fat boys post on the club forum and it is not the clubs fault - its everyone elses so stop blaming the club! They didn't encourage the thousands (yes thousands!) to stroll into Gaydon & Donnington without paying, burberry is fashionable and the trade exhibitors wouldn't advertise despite numerous calls - not the clubs fault that they decided a sleep in would be better for business! There is too much sniping about the club here when in fact (as always) they are blameless! The event was an outstanding success and nobody shall say otherwise if they want to remain in the club. (I should probably stop now) ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 01:12
Well I'd be up for that, especially if you insert the word "and" between each make! ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 11:15
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....which won't happen whilst the Fat Fuehrer is at the
controls! 
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Posted By: Robmw
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 19:58
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M3 sport evo
I am afraid the rot of the car club lies much deeper than the way an event or events are organised . The sycophantic comments in the magazines readers letters or on the other forum is nothing short of propaganda . It insults the intellegence of the readers. Whilst my comments are solely against the club I am rational enough to acknowledge the work of some members and that is not all bad Andy S speaks of the Classic Car Show at the NEC this coming weekend - are you aware that BMW Car Club has a stand at the show Ross Harris and James Sole will try and sell many memerships as they did last year. Both put in a considerable amount of effort. BMW Car Club will not pay for the stand . The reason is that in their minds they would not sell enough memberships to make it worth while. Even the Austin Maxi Owners club or the Wartburg/Trabant owners have a stand at the show ! but not BMW. There are 160 Car Clubs represented at the show If the organisation at the last two shows had included basic security then maybe they would have been able to afford a stand on the biggest display of Classic Cars. I named just two of the members working for the club and I realise that up and down the country there are many more doing equally as much work supporting the club There are many members up and down the country working for the club. So I put it to you challenge the board to run the club the way the members want and not the way their small little egos want ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 22:03
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some interesting points and whilst not wishing to 'push under the carpet' other club issues, Iam only interested here on ways to improve the car club events for ALL members and visitors benifits. Common Positives seem to include; &nbs p; &nbs p; &nbs p; &nbs p; Return to atmosphere of the Drivers days. What was it that made this event special back then?? security. should this be bourght in or run by club members?? Traders. with advent of ebay and internet will traders ever return to these events in numbers?? Join/ run with other clubs for big indoor events?? or ALL major events?? what about these ideas Regional stands?? with a bit of friendly banter/ competition ?? concours/ show and shine IN or OUT?? Demonstrations such as detailing?? Tecnical demos or talks?? Club officials Question Time?? is it the time of year?? better in March/April than back end of year?? Venue?? alternate between Stoneleigh and Donny?? others venues?? whilst there are many that do offer their services, how to attract the likes of you and me to HELP during the day to spread the workload?? stopping now to give you a chance while I lay down!! Lets get a FULL barrell of ideas to and continue Brain-storming. thanks skh
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Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 24-October-2006 at 22:14
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note for moderators. If you feel this discussion should be put under a different section ie general or bmw related events then do feel free to move as I would like to attract as much response as poss. BEFORE putting pen to paper in letterto the powers that be. skh |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 26-October-2006 at 00:40
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after two bottles of good red wine (hic..)
what about all those who 'sponser' their local dealer speak to them and get 1) some freebies and 2) raffle prize ??? that way ALL paying members and public could get a pressie.
plus a programme to say whats on throught the day??
what about say Thorney taking a space and holding technical clinic Q&A sessions??
john drake and merguirs on car care products??
scalextric fastest lap??
back to my red wine so poss.more tomorrrow.
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Posted By: thepits
Date Posted: 26-October-2006 at 13:15
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Glad I didn't go - for the first time in many, many years! Sounds like it was worse than last year - and that was pretty dire!
Perhaps 'We' should re-form the BMWDC and run it 'ourselves'? ------------- Cats know your every thought. But don't care. |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 26-October-2006 at 23:35
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WHY??? what do you believe you would do that would make this event special?? whatever it is put it forward as we all are fully aware it MUST move on. |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 26-October-2006 at 23:43
is this an agreement with my comment above?? I still believe that a strong members voice is vital to the success of any organisation even if it does rub some up the wrong way SO LONG AS IT IS CONSTRUCTIVE NOT DAMAGING. ie how would two seperate clubs be better than one??
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Posted By: kbannon
Date Posted: 27-October-2006 at 00:10
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I presume you are quoting me Steve. I agree with with your point. however, teh reality of the situation is that the current club management will not have anyone disagree with them. Ask yourself why Howard Walker, who has done wonders for the club, and myself have been expelled from the club but given no adequate reason as to why. Why did a club member (and moderator on here) leave the club when he was bullied by the club chairman. The chairman sent this member a number of offensive emails because the member suspended his forum account for repeatedly breaking the rules. When I intervened the chairman told me that I should basically do as he says or he would 'shut down the forum with the flick of a switch'! Coincidentally it was around then the committee tried to take the forum from my direct control. ------------- Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 27-October-2006 at 15:18
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Power struggles are always bloody - look at the Romans! I'd like to see those emails made public on this forum - maybe then people could see "the true nature of the beast"  So far, I've never seen a full & clear version of what went on. But back to the matter in hand - however you organise it Donington will always be a poor relation in the shadow of Gaydon unless you provide something different. No matter how much of a BMW fan you are, seeing the same cars in a shed just a few weeks after seeing them out in the sun is just a bit boring. The rolling road never made it to Gaydon - why not Donington then? Where were the BMW magazine people like BMW Car & PBMW? Not to mention the possible last shout of TBMW. It would have been nice to say thanks & good luck for the future. Where were the Polished Bliss people etc? This seems to be a growing area of interest but all I saw was the Meguiars stand & a few bottles of Zymol on the John Drake stand. We could have had demos of the products, how-to guides etc. Couldn't a local dealer have provided a display with the new 3-series coupe? With a race track right on the doorstep surely we could have had a couple of "Ring Taxi" M5's or 335's available between races? There's plenty that could have been done. It wasn't just the wives/girlfriends/etc that were walking around with faces like a smacked arse - it was everyone who'd been to Gaydon for £6 & had just paid nearly double that for an indoor carboot sale! ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 27-October-2006 at 15:59
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The new 3 series coupe was on display - it was in the region display as Mandy and Gareth (the EA region) managed to blag him a ticket in (and it was the 335i twin turbo!) Paul ------------- 95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: M3sportEvo
Date Posted: 27-October-2006 at 18:45
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KB no offense intended and appreciate that you and several others seem to have strong personnal battles to which the majority of us members are un-aware of the full facts. However this is about Donington and some really positive thourghts are now coming through (andyS above) and the club should now be able to discuss/ consider these to improve next years show. The key seems to be to make it DIFFERENT from Gaydon rather than an indoor version. Possibly some ideas will come from classic show at NEC?? or those in other clubs?? BUT keep the ideas flowing. |
Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 29-October-2006 at 00:48
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The pleasure is all mine Andy, I did make these public at the time : Nice one Nigel,
Banning the Chairman of the BMW Car Club from the BMW Car Club forum, and thinking you will get away with it! I like your optimism.
I have tried being polite with you in the past and I have given you probably too much of my precious time at meetings and events, on the phone etc but this takes the biscuit - you sad little man.
Now suffer the consequences of your pathetic actions.
Jeff Heywood
Chairman
BMW Car Club GB
Jeff I've suspended you again, now for an extra month for sending an insulting e-mail to a forum member. Nigel So, you are even more stupid than you look!!! Nigel, Now i am really hurt. Devastated (snigger). You have so much power and wield it with such force. What a guy.
Suspended from a forum that we, as a National Committee, decide whether it exists or not - nice. Great thinking. Even better choice to suspend a director, for what? Trying to gain some support for an event...
We all work hard to try and promote this club, but guys like yourself we can do without, trying petty ways to try and get back at me for having the temerity to correct you regarding cars for sale and your unofficial logo on the Central Region site - you are absolutely pathetic
These messages were sent to my family e-mail address, and read by my daughter, who alerted her mother.
Jeff had repeatedly broken the forum guidelines, in this case by posting the same subject in more than one forum, and despite being asked repeatedly to not do this, by several moderators, cut up badly when I suspended him from the forum
I'm guilty of the logo offence, on the then central region website (this was through ignorance, Scotland & Ireland can have slightly different logo's, as they are seperate countries England cannot, as it isn't a seperate country ?.....no I don't get it either, the offending logo was the car club logo with two flags beneath it, crossed, the St georges flag, and the Welsh Dragon.
The cars for sale section he refers to goes back to when Jeff first targeted Howard, club members were paying for web based adverts that didn't appear, they had sackd Howard, but were unable to update the for sale pages, so to help members, I created some on the central site.
Jeff didn't like this as firstly I knew they were taking money and not placing the adverts, and secondly I wasn't one of his cronies and hadn't asked his permission, I didn't actually need his permission at the time, so he changed the rules...which is when I stopped doing the central website.
I hope this makes things a little clearer for you.
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Posted By: Robmw
Date Posted: 29-October-2006 at 10:04
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Nigel,
Thanks for the insight. What people must not forget is that by their actions (the chairman and his gang) endangered the club, attempted to destroy this forum and could have laid the club open to expensive legal bills. They acted irresponsibly at best. Their judgment has proved to be flawed and I for one an growing very tired of the its not “our fault” syndrome. At Gay don the food was the fault of Gay don. Donnington the size of a hall is the fault of Donnington. The independent stall holders not turning up is the independent stall holders fault. Isn’t it about time the people who are negotiating on behalf of the club, showed some teeth and overcame these types of problems after all there are enough venues up and down the country. I would like to know if the no shows paid up front for their stalls . For the future I would hope that there is an additional deposit charged that is only repaid when the stall holder turns up and displays or sells Money is being lost needlessly at the two biggest events of the year and the clubs lack of presence at other events is the cost’s. It is individuals efforts and goodwill that are being criminally wasted by the committee Regards Rob ------------- Robert Born |
Posted By: Howard
Date Posted: 01-November-2006 at 22:39
Now that IS a great idea!  ------------- 1963 700 LS 1988 635 CSi 1990 M635 CSi no longer! 2001 E38 728i Individual http://www.tyneships.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.tyneships.co.uk |
Posted By: Howard
Date Posted: 01-November-2006 at 22:48
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[QUOTE=M3sportEvo]
the club is for the members and as in all cases IF strong reasoned points are put in a correct manner then they cannot be ignored and those at the helm must address and take notice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't you believe it for one minute. They kicked me and Killian out without telling us why, or offering us any chance to redeem ourselves. I was the guy who asked awkward questions about telling porkies to the membership, and the accuracy of the accounts. If you do anything that does not agree with the ideas of the current main leaders of the club, you are threatened with court action. So if you want to remain in a club that acts like something out of the Spanish Inquisition then fine. Personally I am better off outside.  ------------- 1963 700 LS 1988 635 CSi 1990 M635 CSi no longer! 2001 E38 728i Individual http://www.tyneships.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.tyneships.co.uk |
Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 01-November-2006 at 23:01
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Thing is - is it possible to re-form the BMWDC? It would have to get recognition wouldn't it?
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Posted By: Jeff Spangle
Date Posted: 02-November-2006 at 09:29
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Does it need recognition from outside.
Surely the purpose of such a club is to get like minded people together and THEY will recognise it. Why go looking for acceptance from others, if it is done properly which by all accounts the Drivers Club was, then that is enough. Isn't it? |
Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 02-November-2006 at 22:33
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Recognition from BMW as an official club? I expect you'd have to have recogniton to use the BMW name (trademark), or is this not so? ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 04-November-2006 at 15:21
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The BMWDC does still exist - the CC just bought the
membership list. Might be worth contacting Club Lotus (Mrs Arnold) to see what the position is regarding using the name. Whatever - something needs to be done. |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 04-November-2006 at 15:25
What a nice man. 
Howard - I assume you've taken this to BCE? |