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Topic: Mileage
Posted By: lesurely
Subject: Mileage
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 15:54

Can anyone tell me what type of mileage you would expect from a E36 M3. Was contemplating on changing to a M but it solely depends on the fuel return. I travel 45 miles a day so trying to put realistic running costs together.

Thanks  



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely



Replies:
Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 16:55
I do 55 miles round trip to work plus other runs to shops etc. and I plan buying one as soon as I can. Guys here are getting 26mpg which is more than I get from the jeep. I know the service costs will be high though.

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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: BigPhil
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 17:01
Cant help you on the older model, but on the E46 M3, I do about 25 miles a day back and forth to our office.  And then general leisure miles on the weekend.  Get about 260 to 280 miles a week out of my one fill a week, €60.  Grand, cheap to run.  The only thing thats anyway costly is tax, Servicing and the initial purchase price.

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997 C2 now.


Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 17:05
I was getting 250 miles to €60 in my old e36 m3

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Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 17:08
I was "minding" an e36 Evo for my brother in law for a couple of months about 2 years back.  On long open road runs the economy was astonishing (according to the obc).  Over a period of time I was averaging over 32mpg for nearly all open road running, despite using the car reasonably enthusiastically.  This was a reasonably close match to my 523i.  The long 6th gear helps enormously.  The 3.0 probably isn't quite so moderate a drinker because I think the 5th gear ratio is a fair bit shorter than 6th on the evo.

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Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: Mick525i
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 19:56

Originally posted by Eamo Eamo wrote:

I was getting 250 miles to €60 in my old e36 m3

B0LL0x I only get 260mls in town for €70 in my 525i. I new I should have got an M5...

Mick



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Cheers
Mick

BMW E21 318 1980
BMW E39 525i 2002 MTech
VW Golf Gti 2003


Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 22:56
I was getting around 28/29mpg, M50 stop go on 95 octane, 98 when it was available gave about 2mpg more.  The 97 Evo that Dergside refered to above.

The cost of fuel is not the biggest factor as said above its, insurance, tax and service, especially if it has to make a trip to the OEM.

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Martin
In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!)
Previous Models
2001 E39 520i Auto
1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual
1996 E36 328i Coupe
1997 E36 318i Conv
1992 E36 316i Sln



Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 19-July-2006 at 23:09

@BM Fan, what made you give up the M3 for a 520? How many miles did you do between services? And would you reccomend one?

By the way I'm dying to get one. There's one in Leixlip that I see all the time. A '98 in Estoril Blue with Silver Leather. Yummy.



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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: m3 kid
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 00:17
hey les, got mine sorted this evening. so will keep an eye on the fuel consumption over the next few days and let ya know since i know your anxious to buy it......


Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 09:31
Originally posted by Mick525i Mick525i wrote:

Originally posted by Eamo Eamo wrote:

I was getting 250 miles to €60 in my old e36 m3


B0LL0x I only get 260mls in town for €70 in my 525i. I new I should have got an M5...


Mick



not b00ii0x mick

it was the same with my previous m3 as well. my drive to work is a 25 mile round trip from the country into a town.

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Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 10:00

Originally posted by m3 kid m3 kid wrote:

hey les, got mine sorted this evening. so will keep an eye on the fuel consumption over the next few days and let ya know since i know your anxious to buy it......

   keep her out of those pot holes i'll be watchen, next time your out and about give us a call so i can droulllllllll

@ BigPhil at best i get 300 to 315 miles for €60 not much in it 

I know service tax insurance are the big ones but wtf

 



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: T.J.
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 10:43

I've a 10 mile commute to work that takes around 15-20 mins. So day-to-day with that driving and giving it a tickle every now & again, I get around 24-26mpg average running Eagle F1s. Long journeys will see it doing around 30mpg. My best was 32.49mpg, worst 20.42mpg, and the average over the 4,882 miles I've had it is 25.2mpg. However, I've done very little miles compared to normal due to work being predominantly office based so far this year. More open road driving will bump the average up. Mine is a 3.0 with the 5 speed box, and the 6th cog would deffo bump comsumption to 31-32mpg on long journeys.

For comparision, my 328i averaged 29.55mpg over 26,437 miles. However, that involved more open road driving, and a change of tyres to a sticky & wider set near the end dropped the consumption by 1 mpg on average. the best i got from the 328 was 33.74mpg.

So in my opinion, if you're not doing big miles then the extra you'll be paying on fuel will be negligible compared to the general additional running costs the M3 brings. And if you are doing bigger miles, it stands comparision with other large-engined 3 series. Hope that helps.



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Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 10:59

Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

So in my opinion, if you're not doing big miles then the extra you'll be paying on fuel will be negligible compared to the general additional running costs the M3 brings. And if you are doing bigger miles, it stands comparision with other large-engined 3 series. Hope that helps.

What would you consider to be big miles, i do 45 miles round trip per day from house to work and home again not to mention social driving. I would say 300 to 350 min.



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: UJM3
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:04

Hey,

My daily commute is about 45-46 miles and costs me  on average €10 per day. Includes motorway driving, b road and about 10 mins is stop start traffic. Plus a couple of miles at lunch time.

I honestly can't complain about the mpg, herself has a 316 (1.9) and mine is not much dearer to run at all.... eats back tyres though!



Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:22

@UJM3 would say daily commute the same distance takes me about 45 mins to 1 hour city centre traffic then trying to get up the Navan road and Blanch bypass and then when the bypass closes down to one lane just after Clone another big tailback but when schools open that journey can take upto 2 hours (the odd time 2.5) a lot of start stop and a lot of engine time. At the mo it costs me around €10 per day, so kind of reckon a M3 up to about €12 do these figures sound reasonable.



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: BM Fan
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:29
Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

@BM Fan, what made you give up the M3 for a 520? How many miles did you do between services? And would you reccomend one?

By the way I'm dying to get one. There's one in Leixlip that I see all the time. A '98 in Estoril Blue with Silver Leather. Yummy.



I didn't give up the M for the 520, its even worse, I gave it up for a 97 Passat TDi estate (€60 = 600+miles).  I was starting to do too much mileage around the country and the primary reason was the state of the roads. Some roads at 30mph in this country would rupture your spleen in the M so in the end I decided it wasn't practical for the kind of use that I was going to be using it for.

If you have a regular commute that you can have a bit of fun on then you should get one. Fantastic car but I think my next M when I get around to it will be an E30 and kept as weekend / fun car.

The 520i is my better halfs, presently its the subject of an ongoing discussion about changing it.


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Martin
In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!)
Previous Models
2001 E39 520i Auto
1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual
1996 E36 328i Coupe
1997 E36 318i Conv
1992 E36 316i Sln



Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:40

Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

By the way I'm dying to get one. There's one in Leixlip that I see all the time. A '98 in Estoril Blue with Silver Leather. Yummy.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=460868 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=460868

There are some nice ones about. This one is in Lucan going to view it tonight.



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:45
Yes I've been looking at that one. A lot. Loads of really really nice ones in the UK as well.

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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: BigPhil
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:50

What about something like that...

Nice and the 01's now can be got for mid to late 40's....cheap enough.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=452138 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=452138

 



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997 C2 now.


Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 11:53
Originally posted by BigPhil BigPhil wrote:

What about something like that...

Nice and the 01's now can be got for mid to late 40's....cheap enough.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=452138 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=452138

About €30,000 out of my price bracket.



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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: Kin Mak
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 12:05
Originally posted by Mick525i Mick525i wrote:

B0LL0x I only get 260mls in town for €70 in my 525i. I new I should have got an M5...

Mick



Ermm...  do you want to have 11-13mpg and less than 200miles to a tank?


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Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 12:05

Originally posted by BigPhil BigPhil wrote:

Nice and the 01's now can be got for mid to late 40's....cheap enough.

Cheap enough .........he says, a bit out of my league anyway if i arrived home in that after paying 40k for a car my life wouldnt be worth living    but wait darling its a M



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: BigPhil
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 12:14
Sorry Boss. 

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997 C2 now.


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 12:27
Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

Yes I've been looking at that one. A lot. Loads of really really nice ones in the UK as well.
Have been looking there myself, working out the vrt, €/£ rate on so many in the last few weeks that my head is starting to spin.I think its not worth it unless you get a good bargin. There is plenty on ebay seen this one E36M3 GT 26/50 he is looking for about £7k

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: UJM3
Date Posted: 20-July-2006 at 13:28
Originally posted by lesurely lesurely wrote:

@UJM3 would say daily commute the same distance takes me about 45 mins to 1 hour city centre traffic then trying to get up the Navan road and Blanch bypass and then when the bypass closes down to one lane just after Clone another big tailback but when schools open that journey can take upto 2 hours (the odd time 2.5) a lot of start stop and a lot of engine time. At the mo it costs me around €10 per day, so kind of reckon a M3 up to about €12 do these figures sound reasonable.

Im working out in Blanch too, coming from Balbriggan (about 50 mins in the morning). Company used to be in the city centre, had a lot of stop start driving then, But i never found the fuel consumption then to be anything bad, have driven a lot of performance cars into work (celica gt4 porsche 944 turbo) and they were a nightmare on petrol. M3's really are a lot more econimcal than you'd think, providing your not driving hard even then its ok, lots of low down torque helps as you don't have to rev it in normal driving. 

 



Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 10:15

Ok here's the latest, had a look at this yesterday evening http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=460868 - http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car& carID=460868  and she seems to be a fine car. Checked everything arches, seems, body work, electrics, doors you get the picture. Left the engine running for ages and she ticked over very smoothly. Went for a spin very straight and solid. It has a full service history, vanos was done at 67k good alloys and tyres, seats in perfect condition the only faults i could find was a tiny blister on one of the wheel arches, the clutch was stiff compared to mine and what felt like a few mils of the floor when she engaged, though you would have to ease the clutch a bit more if felt like my foot was still very close to the floor when she took of (this could be normal, dont know), the air con needs regassing.

So ,,,, going to get a mechanic to check it out.

,,,,,, I think i could haggle over the price.

,,,,,,, Am a little concerned if it fails the NCT what comeback do i have, insurance company would only quote me from now till end of policy 06/11 €93, would not give me an est quote for next year, could that mean that the insurance might go up by almost that amount per 1/4. Any comments or advice



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 11:13
Have a realy good look on autotrader.co.uk to see what an M3 in that condition is going for. You should be able to get that price down a bit. If its a good car GO FOR IT.

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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: nn_dd
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 11:47
There's a 98 in Autotrader in Limerick for Eur19K, can't paste the link over. In Violet, with 58K, don't jump on the first one that ticks all the boxes that you want. (Not as if I can talk on that one)

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E39 530d Touring




Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 11:55
Originally posted by lesurely lesurely wrote:

the clutch was stiff compared to mine and what felt like a few mils of the floor when she engaged, though you would have to ease the clutch a bit more if felt like my foot was still very close to the floor when she took of (this could be normal, dont know),



this is normal for these clutches. easily fixed by reaplacing clutch hose with a braided one.

robbie bradford will help you out with one very cheap

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Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 11:55
personallly i think its a lot of money for that car.

imo before vrt its a €10/11k car

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Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 13:07
What about the NCT how do you think i could get around that. I think the car has to be on Irish plates first.

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 14:00
yes

car has to be on irish plates first. you also have to bring your tax book along to a nct office so that they can register it on there system. This takes 2/3 days. After that you can book the NCT.

If your worried about NCT bring a competent mechanic along to give the car the once over. He should be able to see if it needs anything for it.

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Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 14:07
Will do

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 14:41

If the car is on UK or norn iron plates then it should have a current (and ideally recently issued MOT).  If it passes an MOT it should be fairly OK for the NCT.  If i doesn't have a current MOT then ask the vendor to have it done.  If he won't, draw your own conclusions and vote with your feet.  As said previously, this isn't particularly cheap when VRT has to be added. 

As an example, on the UK autotrader site there is a one owner '95 3.0 M3 with 39k miles and full history asking £7995.  That is absolutely the top end of 3.0 M3 money but the ownership and service history mark it out as different.  With mild haggling you'd have that on the road here for €14k.  No vanos worries, no clutch worries, etc. 

Only potential downsides are that it is alpine white and the spec is only moderate.  Provenance, condition and mileage will get you more of your money back when it comes time to sell than the one you have highlighted.  At the age you are considering, condition is way more important than a year younger or newer.



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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 15:44

The current MOT expires Jan 07.

Some good points Dergside, i was looking on ebay and could pick one up from 4k to 8k depending. I would prefer to try and pick one up here first. With the vanos done at 67k i would hope theres a few years left before it would need to be done again. The body work is in great condition no scratches or marks a slight blister on the wheel arch inexpensive fix. No rust under the window seals, front, sides or rear (i lifted them to check). The price needs to be worked on. Regassing needs to be done would €200 cover it.



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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 16:06
just cos vanos is done doesnt mean it wont go again - many reports on the m forum of guys getting vanos units replaced more than once!!

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Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 16:19
Ge thanks

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 16:27
Also, never believe anyone that tells you that air con just needs a re-gas!  If the gas isn't in there, its gotten out somehow.  All other things being equal, the next gas you put in will get out the same way.

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Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93.

Prev:
e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci.
e39 523i SE.
e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE.
e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i.


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 16:37
Point taken.

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 17:07

Originally posted by Eamo Eamo wrote:

just cos vanos is done doesnt mean it wont go again - many reports on the m forum of guys getting vanos units replaced more than once!!

I was told there is a way to clean and maintain the Vanos so its less likely to go. The boys on the M power forum will tell you.



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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: Eamo
Date Posted: 21-July-2006 at 17:30
Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

Originally posted by Eamo Eamo wrote:

just cos vanos is done doesnt mean it wont go again - many reports on the m forum of guys getting vanos units replaced more than once!!


I was told there is a way to clean and maintain the Vanos so its less likely to go. The boys on the M power forum will tell you.



change the vanos filter very time you change the oil but still not guaranteed. It will certainly prolong the life of the unit.

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Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 22-July-2006 at 15:55

Hey lesurely, have you seen this one? It's at the bottom of the page. '98 M3 GT

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/cars_search.asp?page=15&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=BMW&model=M3&variant=&keywords=&min_pr=75&max_pr=14000&mileage=&agerange=3&postcode=mk18+2jr&miles=1500&max_records=200&source=0&photo=1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH - http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/cars_search.asp?page=15 &modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=BMW &model=M3&variant=&keywords=&min_pr=75&m ax_pr=14000&mileage=&agerange=3&postcode=mk18+2j r&miles=1500&max_records=200&source=0&photo= 1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCH



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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 24-July-2006 at 12:11
Sorry for the long reply pc use only 9 to 5 mon/fri. Yea seen that gt have conteplated on going across the pond, but all that hassle dont know. Prices dont seem to bad could get a nice motor duty paid for under 15k, 16k is about the tops i want to pay. We will see hoe things go. I should have one in the next few weeks eithrt purchased here or over the pond.

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely


Posted By: flyingalexf68
Date Posted: 24-July-2006 at 14:52

Thats good lesurely. Your welcome to give me a go in it.



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1995 e36 3.0 M3 Coupe, Daytona Violet, AP Racing BBK, CCFL Angel Eyes, M3 Spoiler, M-Tec 3 Steering Wheel.   
2000 530d Steptronic, Poverty Spec, 18" Alloys.


Posted By: lesurely
Date Posted: 25-July-2006 at 12:27
No probs

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e30 325is (deceased)
e36 318is under major construction
E39 530D Sport mtec (all the bells and whistles )

Basic unit of laryngitis: 1 hoarsepower
lesurely



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