An e12 - how much??
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Printed Date: 19-May-2024 at 10:57
Topic: An e12 - how much??
Posted By: Doive
Subject: An e12 - how much??
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 13:03
Was having a browse on auto trader to see what kind of prices were
being commanded by 525e's - not that I want to sell - and was very
pleased to see one up for 1200 quid. Unrealistic perhaps, but someone
might pay it. However, I was a little shocked and bemused to come
across this fairly flat and unassuming looking e12 520 with a quite
unbelievable price on the screen. Anyone willing to have a punt? Yes - that does say £1995. For a brown 25 year old e12. Hmmmm. Nice, but no thanks. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk 
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Posted By: 525i zeemax
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 13:30
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No you must be reading it wrong. £ 19.95.!!!! ------------- loud, proud and skint!!! |
Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 08:15
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The only E12 with real 'classic' value has got to be the original 1980/81 M535i. I am biased here as I own one. However, £2k for a brown 1979/80 520 does seem to be somewhat unrealistic. Even if it has low miles and a good history I do not believe that it will be top of most people's shopping list. A an aside, does anybody have an idea on E12 M535i values, not that I am planning to sell.....? ------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 08:45
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£3.5k for a clean unmolested one, if such a car exists today? what are your thoughts value wise?
------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Martin325iSport wrote:Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 12:44
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I'd be pleased with a value of £3.5k for a good one. The problem with the E12 M535i is that with only 450 or so RHD examples originally imported and most of these since crashed or rusted away over the last 25 years, it is difficult to value them. People without the BMW anorak tend to still confuse them with the later and less desirable (in my book) E28 M535i for which any price over £1,500 is seen as high. I certainly plan to keep mine for the long term due to its rarity as the first proper 'M' produced road car, its classic looks and I enjoy driving it!
------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 13:17
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Doive That particular car has been there at that price for 6 months +, so I'm guessing that its probably at the high end of the price range. Although in fairness it has come from a 21 year ownership, indicates an fsh and has 58k miles, so if it is as described, they are thin on the ground at this stage. ------------- Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93. Prev: e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci. e39 523i SE. e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE. e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i. |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 14:48
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I'm looking for a really tidy E28 if anybody knows of one.. not so worried about the spec.. just that it has to be in tip top shape.
Nick ------------- |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 16:32
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A car like the e12 is only worth what a potential buyer is willing to
shell out for it, and nobody in their right mind would give two large
for a brown 520 regardless of condition. Having said that ropey mk2
escorts have been making five or six grand on account of the motorsport
connection, so there may be some worth in that. I forsee that 520
standing for another six months unless the guy revises his price a
little - frankly if he paid the owner anything near that he's not much
of a motor trader.
------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 16:35
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Brown. Oh....my.... God..... -------------   
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 03:45
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Andy G has an Alpina B9 which may be FS. My 528i SE may be up for sale, but I won't sell for peanuts. plenty of E28's on fleabay but please be aware most of them will have rust in the sills/floors/jacking points. these cars are often abused/neglected by uncaring skinflints who buy tham as a cheap fast bangers ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 03:56
What is the value of a nice W regd M5 E12 vs a nice W regd 635Csi? like you say, the M5 E12 is a hand built genuine M car. the E28 M535i is a std production line 535i with a few M bits bolted on. not the same deal at all. can we see some pics outside/inside of your caR? ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 05:17
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Philip There wasn't an M5 in the E12 range. Top of the range was the M535i built in very limited numbers in rhd around 80/81. ------------- Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93. Prev: e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci. e39 523i SE. e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE. e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i. |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 06:00
| but it was the first of the specific M versions, which in turn paved the way for the M derived cars. |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 07:52
you are correct Mr Derg, its my annoying habit to call the E12 M535 an M5. its a true hand built M car and deserves to be called an M5 IMO. I think they are just stunning. hardly any left now. ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 07:53
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Philip, I agree with your comments. Unfortunately I can't put photos of my M535i up on the forum at present as I still haven't go around to sorting out a digi. camera. Mine presently needs a bit more time and money spent on it to make A1 but i'm in the process of selling my E30 325i Sport to help fund this. Once the car is how I want it to be, i'll bring it along to some of the club meets.
------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 07:56
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Andy, my braintree mech had two E12 M535's last time I called in. he loves them. pop round and buy one! I seem to recall one of them has a blueprinted engine, said to be VERY tasty. Was it you who said that before the official E12 M535 was launched, the M Power Division built some high power E12's to individual order for very special German customers. were they BMW racing drivers perhaps?
------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 09:10
| yes, I read that they had put the 3.0 engine in the 528i of the time for the Director of BMW plus some choice performance parts, and also some 3.3 engines in the e12's for some noteable racing drivers of the period. Few survive although the first one (Directors car) is rumoured to have ended up here in the UK. |
Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 07:17
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If I recall correctly there was also an e12 533i available in the US with the 633csi engine. ------------- Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93. Prev: e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci. e39 523i SE. e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE. e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i. |
Posted By: PaulS
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 04:37
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Mine could be up for sale very shortly if you're interested Nick. Could be purchasing an E34 soon but my car will have the 16" Alessios back on. Will keep the alpinas for the new car. Paul -------------  95 E34 530i V8 Auto Maldives Blue |
Posted By: VonPaulus
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 14:34
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The E12 was not hand built, it was churned out
along with all the other E12's. It was a 528 with 635CSi running gear. As for there not being many E12 520's left - well thank Christ for that. What a god awful car they were. ------------- |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 14:50
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Surely that misses the point somewhat. An Austin Allegro was an awful
car by all accounts, yet there are still a small group of people
committed to saving them. Wasting their time? I don't think so. Always
pleases me to see a mint Allegro at a classic show, I have never seen a
e12 up close to determine if it is in fact a bad car or not - sadly
there are none left for the up and coming generation of car enthusiasts
like me to make their own choices. I hope to have an e12 some day to
form my own opinions. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 09:45
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My dad's 520 e12 was a good car drove very well and I allways got exsited about going for a run in it. Sham we part xed it for a Rover Montgo. Edited, please follow the language guidelines ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
You are so right Doive, I love all classic cars wether thay were good or not ther all fun to drive, People put a lot of time and effort in to there cars wether it's BMW or a Allegro and people just take the **** for it. it is not right, Well dun to you all.Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 10:39
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I love the challenge of keeping a car on the road that anyone else
would have scrapped years ago. A chevette never has been and never will
be desirable or valuable, yet last time I had the car on display at a
classic car show everyone ignored the Jags and MGs to come and see my
little rusty orange saloon. Why? Because they hadn't seen one for
years, and nostalga is much stronger than any money value. Personally I
wouldn't want an e-type jag - expensive, overrated and a swine to work
on. Much rather direct my efforts to keeping old unwanted classics on
the road, rather than paying thousands to own one of the 'proper'
classics and fit in with the crowd.
------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 05:51
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Compared to later offerings from BMW and other performance manufacturers, the E12 M535i is inferior. At the time its creation in 1979/80, it was however one of the quickest and best handling 4 door saloon cars available. As with the majority of classic cars it is easy to comment retrospectively in 2005 that a particular make / model was a bad car. With the benefit of hindsight you can pick holes (no rust puns please!) in most previous car designs. If a car was perfect, why update / replace the model? The reason that most of us here choose to own older BMWs is not to rival the driving characteristics of the lastest 3, 5 or 7 series, but to drive something we that we enjoy and gain pleasure from keeping examples of older models on the road and in good condition - so that new generations of BMW drivers can still get to see the marque's heritage. My E21 Baur and E12 M535i evoke momories of cars I wanted to own as a child in the late 1970's and that I now have! I still own and drive modern cars and appreciate their improved refinement, improved passive and active safety, etc. However, given the choice for pleasure driving I will always take one of my older BMWs. They create a sense of driving enjoyment that most new cars cannot achieve. As always this is an individual choice and there will only be so many people who want to take on the responsibility of older / classic BMW ownership. If car ownership needs to be entirely practical and efficient, a 25 year old car - of any make - is probably not going to be top of the shopping list......
------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 06:15
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Very good points Martin, nice to hear someone speaking from continued experience of these wonderful cars. You have a Baur and an M535i? Nicely done. Maybe someday I'll be able to afford the insurance for such a beast as an M car.
------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: Goldryder
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 06:21
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The older model cars in the BMW range have a certain character and poise about them that the models thrown off the production line now will sadly never have. OK the oldies might get a bit rusty and may not have the get up and go that people want nowadays but they will always have a place in the hearts of those who love and cherish them. When I finally got my 635CSi I hoped I could get her back into a good condition but alas this was not to be, for a variety of reasons. But given the choice of a new car or a classic oldie, I would plumb for the classic oldie everytime. ------------- October 2-6 2008 - Houston, Texas - Long Distance Wedding March 15-April 1 2009 - Transatlantic Cruise October 10-25 2009 - China, Korea, Taiwan & Japan Cruise |
Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 06:43
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Doive, Insurance for the 'M' is not as bad as you would imagine. I have a classic policy via Aon, underwritten by Royal & Sun Alliance. This covers both the M535i and Baur fully comp with agreed values for less than a year's road tax cost....... ------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: VonPaulus
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 17:42
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Sadly this is the difference between classic car
shows in the U.K and everywhere else. At the end of the day most cars are just a tool for a job. BMW 520, Chevette, Allegro - all cars that nobody really lusted over when they were new. So what's changed? You will not see many 520's at a classic car meet (BMW or otherwise) in ze Fatherland. We regarded them as being a Munich taxi, nothing more. If every E12 520 was crushed, the world would not mourn them. I would not cross the road to look at a Chevette, or the Opel Kadett equivalent of Ze Germans. Sorry. I remember them from my early days in U.K...or do I? You don't have to buy an E Type or a 300SL Gullwing to enjoy a classic car. An E12 M535i is STILL a very quick car. A 6 Series is a classic car yet still comparatively cheap to buy. Every time I see one, I turn and look. "That's a really pretty car". An Opel Monza Coupe is a very striking car, very desirable when new, worth next to nothing now. You can buy a Mercedes SEC, a stunning looking car style by Bruno Sacco for a couple of thousand in decent order. My colleague has a perfect condition 1969 2 door MG1300 (remember those :-)). I use it to pop to the bank. It amazes me how modern it feels. 70 bhp with 750 kg and close ratio gears. To think that 40 years ago you were making cheap cars with disc brakes, independent hydraulic suspension, FWD and so much interior room when VW were selling crappy Beetles to ignorant Americans and most Brits were buying even worse Fords. Guys, raise your Horizons a little. If a car was crap when it was new, it's crap now. Nothing has changed. I would not give 10 pence for that Bronze one, it's just an old cooker to me. ------------- |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 17:55
I assume by 'that bronze one' you mean my car?! Oh well. Each to their own I suppose. Although I would strongly argue the point that just because a car was crap when new, it may well be crap now, but some of us choose to drive crap. I saw my car in a classic magazine along with all the 'nice' MGBs, spitfires and cortinas, and made a conscious decision to drive 600 miles to buy this pile of orange crap. And do you know what? My pile of orange crap has kept me very happy for the last two years, and will hopefully continue to do so for some time yet. In fact, if the engine fell out tomorrow, I would happily shell out for the bits to recondition it and keep it on the road. Mad? Quite possibly. But then any e-type owner would do the same for their car, and arguably I get just as much enjoyment and satisfaction from owning and driving my car as said e-type owner, for about one fiftieth of the cost. There is more to life than financial gain, I chose my pile of crap for purely sentimental reasons and never expected to make any kind of profit on it. Its a great car that makes me smile. Perhaps my standards are lower than yours. But then, I can pick up a superb car for 100 quid that you wouldn't even glance at, while you shell out thousands for a 6 series or something else you consider desirable. As I say, each to their own. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 19:10
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Everyone has their own idea of their ideal car (or one not so ideal but loved) I don't care if someone has a Mini or a Daimler Conquest, if that is their chosen vehicle and they are prepared to put the effort in to save it they are enthusiasts and it is wrong to slag them off. ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735 
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 04:13
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All 'ordinary' e12s should be used as donor vehicles to keep m535s on the road, the 535 was/is a hero chariot all the rest are sad t*rds. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 08:03
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Hiabboy, Just as an aside to this post, if you have or know of a source for decent E12 body body panels (even better if they are polaris silver!) along a decent chrome rear bumper, please let me know. I'd like to create a 'secret stash' of these for use as my M535i may need them over time. ------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 09:40
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I know a fellow fiend with an e12 535 he wants to unload ,its a long sad story but it is a breaker, it has good polaris panels apart from the roof !. I have a complete excellent genuine bmw exhaust for a 535i as well. I have owned 5 m535s over the years and still have fond memories of the oversteer on demand and the rust !.Luckily i'm now cured !. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 09:47
ah but are you totally cured, considering the e23 affliction you appear to be lumbered with? 
What about Laserchrom, he has e12 panels a while back, may be worth giving them a call? |
Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 17-May-2005 at 13:19
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Price has now dropped to £1695 on the Autotrader website! ------------- Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93. Prev: e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci. e39 523i SE. e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE. e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i. |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 03:42
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Oh God, it's the old 'lets save worthless rubbish from
the scrapyard' argument. I believe we had someting similar on the old 7 Srs forum. Maybe you should ask yourselves WHY you're all messing around with £100 cars - nothing personal, but you need a wake up call. Doive - I think our Teutonic mate was referring to the Bronze 520, a truly awful car. I doubt he would insult your 525e. I agree with him about the Chevette tho. A 525e is a nice old thing, but to say that you gain as much pleasure out of a 1256cc shopping trolley as an E Type is ridiculous - I doubt you've even driven an E Type. A Chevette HS is of course a classic. If you had a Shove-it hatchback with a 2 litre Pinto and Minitites than that's different. Personally I wouldn't wish to be seen in an orange 4 door. A 525e - I've run a couple and think they're okay. What he (and I) are saying is - why rescue junk (like a scrap ebay 528i with a cooked engine and dented panels......) when there are better cars to mess about with for so little. Look on ebay and you will find an old 635CSi needing work for a few hundred quid. As long as the wings can be repaired (most can), a 6 Series costs no more to restore than some nasty old E28 as 99% of the bits that matter are the same. It's not about financial gain although only a fool would not realise that at the end of it, a clean E28 is worth about £350 and a 6 Series £2000. Sorry, but you've got to be some kind of loser to mess around with a cooking 5 Series. Don't waste your time. P.S what do you think of my old blue 8 Series in BMW Car this month? Nice pics eh? |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 03:50
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On another note, I had a Sapphire blue M535i E12,
SWY 7W. I wonder what happened to that? Now that was a fast old turd although it was just a patched up old shed. I'd be surprised if it's still around TBH. |
Posted By: Martin325iSport
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 06:25
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Hiabboy, Can you provide me with some contact details for the owner of the Polaris E12 M535i breaker that you mentioned yesterday. I'd be interested in some of the car.......
------------- '82 E21 320 Baur '80 E12 M535i ('87 E30 325i Sport- Now Sold) |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 08:41
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Its horses for courses mate, I happen to love my little orange four
door. You are right, I haven't driven an e-type, and have no desire so
to do because it is a car I will a) never afford, and b) even if I
could afford would never own. I didn't say the driving experience was
the same - as you say 80s shopping car could never match the best
sports car the 60s had to offer - but what I did say was that on an
ownership basis it could be argued that I derive just as much pleasure
owning and driving my car as the e type owner does, all for many
thousands of pounds less. Is it as fast? Err... no. Is it as pretty?
Nope. Did it cost as much? Definitely not. An e type is in a different
class, but then most e types are used as high day and holiday cars,
locked away in an air conditioned garage until summer. My car gets used
every single day, sun or snow, and has never once 'failed to proceed'.
Read the accounts of most e type owners, and they are filled with
either breakdowns or hugely massive garage bills, neither things I have
to contend with in my scrapyard fodder. You don't understand why I
drive my car, there is no point trying. I have my reasons, and I don't
give a fig what anyone else thinks of me - I'm enjoying the experience.
So I'll keep buying cars you reject for 100 quid and smoke around in
them. Each to their own.
------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 09:05
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same old arguement, same old story Andy, those that 'rescue' old 5's do it because they want to, and like doing it. Not everybody wants a 6! Regardless of costs of parts and cost of resale. Lots of people are not fussed about an end figure. ------------- we're the Sweeney son, and we ain't had our dinner..... |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 09:53
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To me there is no point spending a small fortune on your car, preparing
it to look good then driving to a classic show and parking next to all
the other identical versions of the car - see MGB, Jag mk2 etc for
evidence of this. Last classic show I was at mine was the only chevette
on display, there were several mk2 jags and I lost count of the number
of MGBs. I'm not saying the e24 is plentiful, just more widely
available than some other cars such as the chevette. If the classic
scene was populated only by people like you then every classic show
would be filled with 'desirable' cars - predictable cars that litter
every show. I like to see something different or rare, last show I was
parked next to a mk1 avenger and our two cars together were attracting
by far the largest crowd of people. Opposite me was a Rolls Royce
Silver Spirit - a 'desirable' car - getting completely ignored. I know
which I'd rather drive.
------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: Tetleysmooth
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 10:03
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Doive, I got my 525e, another car uncared for by its previous owner. Probably just another piece of worthless tosh to Andyboy, Hiabboy and VP, but I love it. Bit of a shopping list to go with it though, I need a bonnet, nearside front wing and complete rear bumper. Anybody got these items for sale? I've been looking for a set of 15 inch BBS, but I'd settle for 1 14 inch BBS. Once again, anybody got one? I'm going to enjoy working on this, it's very solid apart from the front wing, the bonnet is damaged and not worth repairing. ------------- If you've got it, a lorry brought it. |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 11:09
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Good stuff Teley, great to hear of another person willing to stoop low
enough to salvage these old ladies of the road. I'm sure people on here
will be able to help you with the bits, failing that there was someone
on fleabay not too long ago breaking a decent 525e. Shame. Hopefully
I'll meet you at some of the shows over the summer and we can compare
our worthless old piles of crap.
------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 12:36
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Pity you're not nearer Dave, one local scrappy has M535 with good bonnet, don't know what they want for it, another has half a dozen E34's with BBS on, They said they wanted £80 a set but forgot to ask if that was set of 4 or set of 5. Can't recall who without looking, someone posted the other day they were pm'ing you about a set of BBS, think they were of 7 series, did you get it? ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 18:09
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I would rather spend my time and muny on a old 3 5 6 or 7 as I do than on a muney pit of a e-type as thay are no cheeper than a my e23 that so far has cost me £16 and use evey day, I spend more time looking at old voxouls, austins and Trimphs at car shows as thay are way more intresting as is a well used but care fored classic, most fun car I have driven is a old bedford CF camper van to be welded up for MOT. ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 19-May-2005 at 15:06
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I will never be able to afford a Mercedes 300SL
Gullwing, but I'd love to drive one. Before I bought my first house, if I'd sold everything I owned and my ar*e for medical science I could have JUSt scraped enough together to buy a 365GT4 Boxer. Running it, repairing it, insurance and fuel would have ruined me though. This was the stage when they had crashed down to under £40'000..........the bottom line was that in reality, I just could never have afforded it. But it's nice to have dreams and ambitions to own something really beautiful. But I guess I'm the odd one out here in having ambition and not settling for the lowest common denominator and searching ebay for £50 scrappers. It's all about aspiring to own something nice. If you want to drive a rusty four door Chevette, then poor old you. I'm not saying we should all be like extras in 'Footballer's Wives' but come on! We had a teacher at school who drove a four door Chevette in around 1980. Even then it was an object of ridicule - we used to call them Stick Insects. Oh, my everyday car is a 225'000 mile 1989 730i manual. But some of the cars I've had........... |
Posted By: Doive
Date Posted: 19-May-2005 at 16:00
Ah well, I'd rather be an object of pity and have fun in the process, whilst still maintaining a healthy bank account as opposed to owning something 'nice'. See, as for an object of ridicule I suppose that is true to an extent. I do get pointed and laughed at, but the people who do this are chavs in their tupperware novas so I proceed to point and laugh back. Swings and roundabouts, I doth not care in the slightest what said chav thinks. Other normal members of the populace who have tooted their horns, flashed their lights and gave me the thumbs up in traffic must obviously all be mocking me, and the couple in their fifties who passed me on the motorway tooting, smiling and waving were clearly heaping scorn upon me and my 'not nice' car. See, I drive scrapyard specials not because I'm cheap or miserable, but because they are there. They have a certain charm, and it is usually a challenge to make a truly nice car out of one. Well, the E28 is the exception to the rule. I defy you to have a look round that and tell me it's banger fodder, all for 150 quid. I could of course have gone down a dealer and bought an E39 for six grand, but if that breaks I'm stuffed because I spent all my money buying the car. Get a scrappy car and you can never be disappointed because you anticipate everything going wrong. Each to their own mate. ------------- 1987 BMW 525e Lux Auto (sadly deceased) http://www.getfirefox.com - Get Firefox - Ditch Hopeless Inertnet Exploder http://www.doive.co.uk - www.doive.co.uk
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Posted By: Tetleysmooth
Date Posted: 19-May-2005 at 16:07
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Nice one Doive. ------------- If you've got it, a lorry brought it. |
Posted By: Dergside
Date Posted: 19-May-2005 at 19:42
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Doive, you have a very clear rationale for the motoring decisions that you have made and I don't think Andy will ever be able to acknowledge or understand the validity of your approach. Your time is better spent continuing to enjoy your motors the way you do than trying to win him over. ------------- Now: BMW 523i SE '00, 318i SE - e91 '07, 325i Coupe '93. Prev: e46 328i SE Touring, 330Ci, 318Ci. e39 523i SE. e36 325i Coupe *2, 323i SE, 316iSE. e30 325iSE 2dr, 320i Conv, 320i 2dr, 316i. |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 13:30
....which may go a little way to understanding why this country has slowly become the way it is..... Mind you, I keep getting reports about "rip-off Ireland".....  -------------
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 14:40
You clearly need to read my post again sarcasm is the lowest form of wit MY EVERYDAY CAR IS A 1989 730I WHICH IS WORTH ****** ALL. Now, which part of that do you not understand? However, today my valueless old BMW took me 150 miles up the M1, and 150 miles back, set cruise at 85 mph and it'll have done around 26 mpg - nice and comfy too. don't get personal. When I bought my 730i for £400 about a year ago, it had a mint M Tech 11 steering wheel (sold for £100) and a set of nearly new Metric Michelins on the BBS rims which I sold to a 6 Series owner for £250, replacing them with a set of 15 inch BBS with newish Continentals bought for £50. You can talk all you like about running bangers (and nobody laughs at an E32 doing 100 mph down the motorway), but you're talking to the guy who wrote the book. But I do it properly and run proper old bangers. 1256cc, 4 gears, 78.9 mph flat out and I bet it's no better on fuel than the 730i on the motorway. What a waste of time. But for the 525e - yes, respect for that. A good car then and now. Please read the forum rules regarding posting. ------------- |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 17:10
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150 miles is naff all, My dad's 84 renault 11 for £300 spent the last to years of its life going up and down the motaways of the UK got it with 80k, gearbox seals went at 145k I do neley 200 miles a week in my 24 year old e23, I am takeing it to Stonley NAC on sunday. I will set the cruise at 80 AND will make it ther and back ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 18:01
We are all happy pottering around with our worthless cars, so good point Dergside, life's too short! ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 18:38
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Actually Mark Old Chap, I've done 18'000 miles in the
last 10 months. That's a tad more than 200 miles a week. Frankly I'm not interested in your Dad's Renault 11. Did he restore it when it went bang? Would you like to know about my Dad's Porsche 993 Carrera 4 that's done 8000 miles in the last 6 years? No, thought not.  His D reg Transit's
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 18:42
Hmmmmm.............'nuff said I think!
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Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 19:19
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young chap me onley 21 ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 20-May-2005 at 19:25
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andyboy, we might be sad sods in your eyes, but we are happy. it dosent affect your personal life what we do for kicks. no we dont ask you about why you dont buy this or restore that beacuse we are not interested what you do. ------------- only the vauxhall is the greatest car |
Posted By: Tetleysmooth
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 01:14
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After all the verbal abuse on Thursday night, I'm just wondering if it's worth persevering with the forum. I may just kick it into touch. The majority of you are great blokes, but I can do without the personal attacks from the minority. Just don't need it. I like buying, fixing and talking about OLD cars that other people have discarded. I just wish the certain few could respect that, but no, they can't. Yup, I've got rip my latest aquisition, the 525e, to bits to make it good, but that's where I find my enjoyment. Mark, if you really want an e32 to keep up with the Andyboys, I may have one for sale soon. E plate, Arctic white with black leathers. Cheap. Just tested & taxed. Nice car. Andyboy, there's no way I can have your 525e head, I'm at work now until next Friday night, don't know where you live, probably too far to collect in the time I have, so you best bin it. Hiabboy offered me the panels I need for the 525e, so I pm'd him twice, but got no reply. Those of you who also enjoy the same things as me, all I can say is I have your e mail addys or I can pm you, so I'll keep in touch. I don't really want to talk about my project on here anymore, it just keeps getting disrespected, so those of you that have expressed an interest, I'll keep you informed regarding progress. This isn't what I wanted, but I can't really see the point of getting into flame wars everytime one of us buys another project. Cheerio chaps. ------------- If you've got it, a lorry brought it. |
Posted By: Goldryder
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 02:32
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Tetley don't leave just cos of one person who abuses the system. There are more of us who have an interest than those determined to cause problems on here.
I hope you reconsider and that you stay cos if you do leave, then he has won and that would not be right or fair. I understand you feelings, as most will do, but believe me, letting him get his own way and making him look like he is ruling the site will only make him feel invincible, which he most definately isn't. Please reconsider Tetley, you are as valued on here for your knowledge as anyone, don't let this idiot win. ------------- October 2-6 2008 - Houston, Texas - Long Distance Wedding March 15-April 1 2009 - Transatlantic Cruise October 10-25 2009 - China, Korea, Taiwan & Japan Cruise |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 03:57
Investing money in property old chap!! As for the validity of me owning that car, ask anything you like. The thing is, I haven't actually called anyone names - unlike you - small things please small minds I guess. You can call me whatever silly names you like Sunshine, but if it's a battle of wits you want, I never fight an unarmed man. Sorry, but take your name calling elsewhere unless you care to say it to my face....? Goldryder - the same goes to you. When you sink to the level of name calling, that means only one thing! My fave Merc was a 500SL W129 BTW :-) My last was a W140 S350TDi. Tetley, FFS, stay here and take the ribbing! It's NOT a personal attack on you - I just don't 'get it' why you're attempting to fix a ropey E28. But I've spent most of last week working on a '66 Morris 1100 so illness with old scrap runs in the blood. The last time I worked on one of those was in 1984 taking the engine out (a 1300GT) to go into a rusty drum braked Mini. If you DEFINITELY WANT the head, P.M me, I will save it from the scrappies and take it over to Hiabboy's or something. Just give me a few quid for it to cover the cost of taking it over there. That fair enough? I dug out a head gasket set last night but it's for a 2 litre/2.3 so that's no good to you :-( I'll get it next Thursday (do you want the exhaust manifold?) and the Ace Cafe might be a good place to meet up. I believe Philip is going to see Hiabboy this weekend - bummer, he could have taken it for you. Stick around Mate, ask 'how to' questions and I WILL help you out. Peace, Punishment Gluttons! ------------- |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 04:05
Did they teach literacy in your school?
Don't you mean; "Oh, and if I remember correctly, ANDY PANDY - or was that Andyboy - has a bit of history of baiting people and abusing the comments of others. It's about time moddy's banned him". You sound suspiciously like someone else here
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Posted By: Goldryder
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 04:11
Andy, we all know how much you hate certain cars, but please will you just quit with the flaming. Its not required and it ain't clever, give it a rest. As Nigel said to you on another thread, you can post helpful things occsionally when you want to, so why you have to keep being so argumentative like this and causing worthwhile people to leave the site is completely beyond me. If you can't be polite, then just don't say anything. None of us are going to rise to you as none of us want to be banned because of you. ------------- October 2-6 2008 - Houston, Texas - Long Distance Wedding March 15-April 1 2009 - Transatlantic Cruise October 10-25 2009 - China, Korea, Taiwan & Japan Cruise |
Posted By: MTEC530D
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 04:15
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Oh sorry about the gramar, One must have gone to a public school and not a private school like you, bugger, one must try harder with his gramar on this site after all one can't let the side down can one. And as for you saying ' its not a persoanl attack it fecking well apears to be one to me' Infact i could half guess your a spotty faced 3 stone spoilt kid who dreams of owning a BMW. Grow up or F E C K off. the more people you upset the more likely you are to be banned by the moddy's and for your information i ain't who you thinking of but i do know atleast 1 person who you could be refering to from the north east. As for people wanting spend there time woring on old heaps of junk, your investing in property so i guess you've bought a few piles of old junk and made them into something nice? I know thats what i do except i can afford property and a nice car. ------------- M tec 530D 2001model. well impressed after so many mercedes. Last being an E class |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 04:29
Consider it done. I think I've made my point now..... 
Love the comment 'spoilt 3 stone spotty kid' Come on, is that the best you can
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 04:31
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Its all going off !. I've missed all the action , i've been 'rebuilding ' jacking points on a 635 and have spent a night in casualty, the doctor said it was an allergic reaction to fibreglass........ Tetley i did reply to one of your pms but have been very busy ,best way to contact me is my mobile 07970645599. Who is this new interloper mtec530d ? with a car worth more than £50 (?) he is definately the odd man out amongst us losers, maybe he has a secret e23 fetish ?, if so i can help, 84 735 executive bronzit beige, full nutria electric buffalo leather trim needs minor tlc t+t any victims pm me or call. ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: VonPaulus
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 04:40
Oh No, not another 1100 Deviant. You should meet up with my boss and go to one of the 1100 club meets, drinking real ale and discussing the chemical formula for Hydrolastic fluid......... ------------- |
Posted By: MTEC530D
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 05:05
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no i got a XJS jag to though which is worth about £500 so not totaly the odd one out ------------- M tec 530D 2001model. well impressed after so many mercedes. Last being an E class |
Posted By: MTEC530D
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 05:37
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i already am horsetan but i'm entitled to my opinion just like these other morons if they can slate people and play dirty surely i'm allowed to return the favour? I AM AFTERALL ONLY SAYING WHAT OTHERS ARE THINKING AREN'T I? ------------- M tec 530D 2001model. well impressed after so many mercedes. Last being an E class |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 05:47
Calm down, dear, it's only a commercial
Anyway, I see that Andyboy/Hiabboy/Von Paulus has/have been banned permanently from the Forum, by order of Father Killian  -------------
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Posted By: MTEC530D
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 06:31
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well thats good to know. now we can all get back to some sensible chat
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:00
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I haven't been banned ! ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: bmw1066
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:19
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good, your not that bad ------------- Mark 735 se 1982 RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
Posted By: MTEC530D
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:21
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the main instigator in the slanging and sniping is Andyboy the others don't seem to bad or atleast they haven't rubbed me up worng way so i can only speak as i find ------------- M tec 530D 2001model. well impressed after so many mercedes. Last being an E class |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:26
Oh dear, Killian seemed to think so! -------------
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Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:29
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Killian better not ban me, my family are from connemara and they've got lots of big rocks ! ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:36
Ah!!! Connemara! Your origins are in the Gaeltacht! Fair play to ye! -------------
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Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 08:59
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Excellent, some humour needed on here! Just installed another 256k RAM on this steam driven machine, time to give the mouse some cheese........ ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: diesel dog
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 10:38
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Banned ------------- |
Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 10:43
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For that you'd have to go back through the last two pages of this thread and yesterdays locked thread, long story best forgotten. ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: diesel dog
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 10:54
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Banned ------------- |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 11:13
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Don't bother, unless you like archaeology.... -------------
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 11:15
Pah! Just putting in another 512Mb DDR.... Should have 1.5Gb Dual Channel now..... I need all of it to play MS TrainSimulator..... -------------
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Posted By: diesel dog
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 11:25
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Banned ------------- |
Posted By: Coasting
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 13:38
Wow...I feel like I missed the main show....! ------------- 
Now with FREE HPI CHECK and FREE GLASSES GUIDE VALUATIONS for all members! |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 14:01
I think The Empire has struck back..... -------------
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Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 14:46
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Yes but I have Wendys old pooter, only has 2 RAM slots and uses the obselete PC100 ones just to be helpful. Suppose I could try putting 2x512's in, not sure if it would run it. ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: rubberknees50
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 14:50
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Isn't Revenge of the Sith out soon? ------------- IanT E28 528, E23 735
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Posted By: Nigel
Date Posted: 21-May-2005 at 17:06
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Ian I have 256 Mbytes of sdram 133Mhz sitting here doing nothing if it is of any use to you. ------------- Best Wishes Nigel |