E30 M3 for sale
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Topic: E30 M3 for sale
Posted By: jaseb
Subject: E30 M3 for sale
Date Posted: 12-November-2002 at 08:13
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It's a shame but my first post here is to sell the car (althought bear in mind when reading the stuff below I won't be too upset if it doesn't sell...) Anyway it is a 1990 henna red E30 M3 (non evo 200bhp model) £10k spent over the last 2 years to make a 150k mileage car drive like one with 50k! It's completely standard except a quickshift, strut brace and some pagid fast road front brake pads. The bills include timing chain replacement, head rebuild (Moseley motors), gearbox rebuild (Munich legends), new shocks, new brakes, new front wishbones, new radiator, retrimmed front seats, Eagle F1's, new anti roll bar bushes, refurb'd wheels (15") and a whole load of servicing by the right people. As far as I'm aware it's not been on a track (he writes whilst kicking himself) and I've always warmed it up thoroughly before giving it any beans! Oh yes the important bit, I'd like £6500 but am open to sensible offers I suppose. Well I guess that's about it except mine name's Jason and I'm on 07803 150956 if you're interested |
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Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 13-November-2002 at 11:58
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Okay, I'm now open to silly offers... Preferably not celery though or camels - both horrible |
Posted By: Darren M
Date Posted: 17-November-2002 at 12:22
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With all that money spent you`re better off keeping it to get yer £££`s worth! |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 17-November-2002 at 18:56
yeh but I've seen this lovely Sport Evo for sale...
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Posted By: m3geezer
Date Posted: 18-November-2002 at 16:59
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oh dear, another sport evo syndrome carrier! ------------- 
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Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 18-November-2002 at 18:44
Quote: Originally posted by m3geezer on 18-November-2002There's a lot of it about. Harmless condition, but expensive. ------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/  |
Posted By: m3geezer
Date Posted: 19-November-2002 at 00:08
yeah, you just don;t know when to stop though  -------------
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Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 19-November-2002 at 08:54
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I believe it's called upgradeitus, a common ailment of the perenial caterham 7 owner also (yep guilty on both counts m'lud I can't help it, it's beyond my control, I WANT one - and having said that I' m pretty sure I'm going to get one too. I guess you chaps above have already been bitten by this bug then? Is there anything particular I should look out for over and above a regular M3? Biggest question on my list at the mo is - Has it got EDC and is it true that it's buggery expensive to fix as and when it goes t*ts up? |
Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 19-November-2002 at 17:57
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What's EDC? I know the Sport Evo has a few fancy bits like sodium filled exhaust valves, but I don't think it will cost much more than a 2.3 to run. More important to find a well looked after one. All badly maintained E30 M3s can cost lots to run. Have a look here: http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/"> color=#800080 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ ------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 20-November-2002 at 08:35
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EDC is bmw's electronic damper control, some sort of expensive to fix active ride gubbins I believe. Just wondered if anyone out in internetland had experience of it!? I believe the one I'm looking at is a goodun, from a specialist who'd get merry hell (and more from 'er indoors) if they sold me a pup |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 20-November-2002 at 08:44
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John Your pics look good (will check if the car has a sunroof as I most certainly don't want one either) which track day was that? I thoroughly enjoy the lotus 7 club days in the caterham but they won't let me take the beemer on track for some reason! But I like the idea of the whole club/one make track day if for no other reason than camaraderie (sp?!). Jason
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Posted By: m3geezer
Date Posted: 20-November-2002 at 11:07
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edc = electronic damper control = expensive when goes wrong. if the car has it, when it goes wrong get some e28/e30 m3 front strut legs, then get an aftermarket suspension kit and completly scrap the edc, if you are going to track the car then look at saving up and getting a leda coilover kit. -------------
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Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 20-November-2002 at 18:57
------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 21-November-2002 at 09:18
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Sounds good, Donnington is already on my track day list for next year along with about 6 or so others, might have to do it twice - once in the 7 and once in the 3 The only problem I have with the standard suspension on my non evo M3 is a little initial understeer which I believe can be cured with offset top mounts (a DIY job that I really don't like!) but on the whole I'm with you on the standard setup, Mr BMW got it right! Where are you guys based? I'm in north Bucks. |
Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 21-November-2002 at 14:45
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I'm in Newcastle upon Tyne. ------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: pottsy
Date Posted: 21-November-2002 at 19:56
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Jase, check out my posting on the Schnitzer suspension thread for my opinions on EDC and the fact that I have a spare set for sale (cheap) if you wanted a spare set. Also on the neg top mounts (DO IT!)
John W - Your std motor looks as good as your evo sport. You docs have too much time top post all those photos on a US site - show off! Jase I'm in Hertford so if your over this way give me a shout and I'll get out my noisey, uncarpeted, caged, white thing. Now I've seen Johns sport I want a nice comfy one for the road I have to admit.
------------- Haway the Lads http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3ae1a1ee/bc/car+stuff/Vodaphone+M3+@+Silverstone.jpg? |
Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 21-November-2002 at 21:51
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My standard motor (ie my day to day transport) is presently caked in North East mud and grime. It seems a shame to take it out in the winter, but at least I can keep the Sport Evo nice and clean for use on dry days. Having 2 M3s I can definitely recommend. ------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 22-November-2002 at 11:11
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It's here if you want a nose?! oops, think I've bust it... |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 24-November-2002 at 21:12
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Dropped the price to £6k - an absolute bargain if ever there was one. On a different note I was toying with the idea of a Scoob WRX and borrowed one today for a test drive and was left utterly underwelmed. Interesting on wet roundabouts tho, understeer to lift off oversteer and back again and all in the safety of a car that's not mine... |
Posted By: chippy
Date Posted: 28-November-2002 at 14:48
| I have EDC on my E30 and frankly I think it is a great system although it is expensive when it goes wrong but just remember this was a 3-4 grand option when new, it not only changes the stiffness of the dampers but changes the bump and rebound of your suspension. In all this rain lately I have been putting it into 'Komfort'. In the wet this is fantastic; as you power round the corner the softer setting means the rear of the car squats and grips much more and in the dry put it in 'Sport' . I have been having lots of fun. |
Posted By: IamSpartacus
Date Posted: 29-November-2002 at 12:05
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Not sure if it's the same cost on an E30, but on a '94 M5 EDC is £600 per corner to fix! But I'd agree it's lots of fun in the wet! ------------- The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 02-December-2002 at 22:26
Quote: Originally posted by jaseb on 17-November-2002 Hi jaseb, I was in the same boat as you at the beginning of this year,having a standard1 while wanting a Sport Evo.I ended up buying the Sport Evo before selling my standard M3 2 months later.I waited 10 months before I found mine,with a little help from some already on here. Good luck mate ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 08:33
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I've found one AND a buyer for mine but my Dad's been trying to talk "sense" into me as the service book has got lost at some point in the cars life! It's an Italian import and you know what they're like!!! (and before anyone has a go one of my best mates is Italian so I know fromfirst hand experience!!) Dad's right to an extent - who in their right mind would hand over £12.5k for a car without service history - I guess I must be unhinged then as he had me swaying for a little while but I think I'm back on the correct straight and narrow course now |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 13:15
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I to would be wary of a car without a history.Have you had the Sport Evo check out yet.I.E. At a dealer/specialist,what's the milage/KMs? There are 2 red one's for sale at http://www.bmwmpower.co.uk">www.bmwmpower.co.uk for 12,500/12,750.I have no connection with then,just pointing them out. I know what you are going through as I was not to sure about parting with £12,750 for a 12 year old car(maybe it has something to do with being a Scot) Good luck mate http://members.roadfly.com/garymorgan/drumpellier.JPG">http://members.roadfly.com/garymorgan/drumpellier.JPG ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 13:37
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I've sent an e-mail to BMW GB to try and find the dealer who sold it to see if they have any history, I understand it camefrom Rome and as luck would have it I have a buddy in Rome so will send him round to see if he can get any info. It's got 80,000kms on the clock so not many at all! It's for sale from a specialist who I trust (Nigel Moseley) so hopefully all will be well and should be a while before any big bills I'm hoping! |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 16:59
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Ask them if they'll do you a warranty.I've seen the 1 you are looking at,only in pic's though.I was keen on it as well, but was a couple grand out of my price range.Looked a nice 1 though. Keep us posted on how you are getting on Cheers Gary ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 17:13
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Nigel has no probs on the warranty front (probably not an offocial one but enough to keep me happy), for him to buy a car without the history unless he was sure is not a bad guarantee in itself apparently. I have the previous owners/importers name and address and as it's not far from me I'll be paying a cheeky visit out of the blue! He's got lots of lovely cars, 2 or 3 touring cars, CSL, Z1's, mint non evo M3 with 30k and fully Sport evo'd up and a whole host of others, all in all not a bad collection. cheers Jason |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 18:14
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The guys at the Scottish region are planning a couple of visit's down to M/L and possibly moseley's in 2003,so I hope to see all these wonderful vehicles,soon. Let me know when you get her. Cheers Gary ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: MarkD
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 21:15
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I've seen this car too - thought it was a good, honest example - not the best but then again the asking price is not £15-16K+ It's fitted with a Hartge suspension if I'm right. Are Italian imports that much worse than German ones? When was this car imported - it must have been very expensive back in 1990 (what with the Italian tax on cars over 2 litres) so I would have thought the original owner must/should have looked after it well. I also know of one person who looked at it and didn't buy it because of this lack of history. I'd trust Nigel's opinion - if it feels "tight" during the test drive and doesn't have any obvious failings (check that air con system works for instance) - go for it. My current M3 came with little history from Germany - but now has lots from the time I've had it! A good "current" history is almost as important as lots of old stamps in a service book. Mark |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 03-December-2002 at 22:55
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Jaseb... Nige is one of the good guys... He will look after you. Nick |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 08:55
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That's what Nige said too... But as it goes I believe him! This Italian import seems to be along the same lines as the Dutch import I currently own - Tops! It was imported in 1998 with 77000 kms and has done about another 4k! My Dutch car is running along the same lines as yours then Mark, little history when bought and stacks now. Apparently the aircon is not charged but I'll get Pete to put the car up in the air and check the bracket condition - Ijust left mine offin the end as the bracker cracked twice and I don't really rate the aircon in these cars anyway. Gary - let us know when you're coming and I may join you! |
Posted By: MarkD
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 10:35
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Jaseb You say that you don't rate the E30 air con system - anything in particular, or is it just the extra complication and expense? I've been thinking if it's worthwhile having in my next car (hopefully a Sport Evo). The only time I've experienced it is in a 325 convertible in the south of Spain a couple of years back - and they need it there! Can't say I thought it was very powerful. Maybe I'll be better off without (and save some weight into the bargain). I remember in at least one old magazine roadtest they complained of the air con system causing the car to stall in traffic - any truth to this? Mark |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 11:10
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Extra complication and expense mainly, as the M3 engine isn't known for it's smoothness, the compressor bracket has a habit of vibrating then cracking and falling off! This is a bad habit in my book, as it's happened on my car twice now - once in the south of France in August! Definitely rate the aircon in hire cars as a better option! Also even when it was working it wasn't that strong and like you say affects the idling ability of the car - it saps that much power. |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 14:29
Quote: Originally posted by jaseb on 04-December-2002Will do mate .I think it's just in the planning stage at the moment,as soon as it is finalised I'll drop you a line. It would be good to meet up, maybe we can persuade JohnW to come along also.When do you think you will get the sport evo? What about you as well Mark,when are you likely to get yours & are you up for a visit when we come down? ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 15:58
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Well I think the chap wants my car this weekend but I really need to put him off for a week, might end up with a hire car if not. Should have the evo for next weekend with luck. Just in time for Christmas! |
Posted By: MarkD
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 16:43
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Gary It'll be some time before I can get hold of a Sport Evo - unfortunately!! But I should still have my current car early next year - in fact I was going to sell it soon but I've been thinking of all the money I've spent on it over the last four years and hate the thought of selling it too cheap! I may try and do what John W has done and have 2 M3s - my current one for track use (it's got a rollcage etc) and get hold of a Sport Evo for regular road use (I hate to see "totalled" Sport Evos like the one I saw at Munich Legends a couple of years ago which was wrecked at the Nurburgring). It will all come down to finances in the end! I'd be up for a meet up sometime, though I don't know where I'll be living at the time. I may be moving back to Edinburgh early in the new year - in which case I'll be heading to Nigel's place for a new MOT and Inspection 2 around March-April. Hopefully I'll see you when you head south. |
Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 04-December-2002 at 22:21
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2 M3s........the last words of a condemned man. Well.......look at me, I'm fine but I could do with a lottery win. And it's insurance time again in January. Great. ------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: MarkD
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 09:58
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John I could use the lottery win myself! And that's with just one M3! The insurance question and general running costs does worry me; but at least you can reduce the cost slightly by insuring one of your cars on a classic policy. If I wond the lottery I'd probably treat myself to an ex-works team DTM racer circa 1991-92 - Munich Legends has a couple in the showroom at present - with 350-370bhp, now that would be interesting to try out! Seriously though - anybody been round a track in an ex-racer? Any comments on the experience. Mark |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 11:34
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Talk to Nige, he's got 3 touring cars, a DTM, Labatts BTCC and a works Italian jobby, was going to enquire about renting one for a track day... (he writes "in his dreams") I understand he's been round the Nurburgring in at least one of them, I think Munich Legends takes theirs there annually too, if you spend your pennies there it's got to be worth trying to blag a ride if not a drive! |
Posted By: MarkD
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 12:51
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Does Nigel rent out his cars? I've seen the ex-Emmanuele Pirro Italian Sport Evo - I remember speaking to a couple of guys at the Brooklands meet who've seen it running - apparently sounds fantastic. I would love to "blag" a ride in either one of Nigel's or one of M/Ls cars - just got to make sure I'm in the right place at the right time for once. |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 17:10
| I've no idea but knowing Nige I'm sure he's open to offers... |
Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 18:37
------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 20:41
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How much for 1 of these cars then?How much is the M/L 1? I can't afford it just curious ------------- http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/cars/e30/sportevo.html" rel="nofollow - E30 M3 Sport Evo III |
Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 05-December-2002 at 23:44
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I'd also be interested to know what ML want for the Italian car. You could probably knock 10K off their price to get its true value!! ------------- John W 1990 E30 M3 Sport Evo 1990 E30 M3 http://www.bayareamotorsport.com/john_uk/ |
Posted By: MarkD
Date Posted: 06-December-2002 at 09:25
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The Italian car at M/L is Roberto Ravaglia's championship winning car from 1990 - so that would be very expensive if it was for sale - I've sat in it a few times and it's in nice condition but could use having its original Italian livery put back. The other two cars are DTM cars from 1991. One I think must have been a Bigazzi team car (possibly Soper or Hahne?) and has most of its original livery - I saw it listed at around £50-55K on their sales list a couple of years ago - but they've still got it. The other one is an ex-Schnitzer car - doesn't have it's original livery anymore but looks very impressive (has it's perspex rear/rear side windows etc) I was talking to Nigel Moseley about these earlier this year and he mentioned another '91 car (Cecotto's Schnitzer car from the first half of the season) for around £37K. Nige seems to be the man to talk to if you want one of these cars. I'd love one (if I ever had the money!) but you'd need to budget for a trailer, tyres, parts and periodical engine rebuilds - and that would add up! |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 03-January-2003 at 14:24
| back to the top out of badness, offers of £5500 taken! |
Posted By: mark m power
Date Posted: 14-January-2003 at 17:44
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why u want a evo sport the country seems facinated by them i have a non evo e30 1990 and a 95 e36 coupem3 u wouldnt see them in the same road and unless ur tracking it a lot the e36 if u can steer at all will walk away it is so much quicker and reliable have had a few dealings with nigel moseley and found him very helpful and doesnt rob u unlike munich legends nice premises and dont they keep all there used cars so nice? ------------- many thanks mark |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 15-January-2003 at 08:17
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I just wanted one! I have to admit there wasn't much more to it than that, just a need to get it out of my system I guess and now that I have one I'm well impressed, it's all I want out of a car. Fun for me is not in a straight line |
Posted By: jaseb
Date Posted: 18-January-2003 at 18:17
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Car now gone to it's new owner
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