hallmark 633
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Topic: hallmark 633
Posted By: patrickD
Subject: hallmark 633
Date Posted: 30-December-2004 at 18:20
| hi,i have recently bought a 633 csi,which seems to be a hallmark edition.when i bought it,the car had a severe paint defect.i work in a bodyshop so im about 2/3s through a bare metal respray.the car was repainted in the late 80s(in a different colour)and the original colour isnt that tasty!id just like to know if the car is rare or valuable enough to return it to its original colour.what is one in near condition 1 worth?thanks,patrick. |
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 02-January-2005 at 07:10
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A hallmark is certainly worth more than a standard 633 and is very rare with something between 12 and 25 made. I would guess that its worth around £6K in good condition with a regular 633 being worth about £3k in good condition, but for cars like this it's very hard to place an acurate value. I have a couple of pictures of a very nice hallmark that came to one of the events i organise. The colour sounds gastly, but in the flesh it's extreemly nice. Please feel free to PM me and pass on your e-mail adress and i will send you a couple of photos. James -------------  Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 02-January-2005 at 11:22
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See my comments and Hallmark photos http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=13074&PN=1 - HERE -------------   
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 02-January-2005 at 11:23
...and let's remember it is only a guess, so let's not get over-excited...  -------------
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Sohlman wrote:Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 04-January-2005 at 12:38
I very much doubt it. When you can buy a late E28 based 635CSi for £3000, why would anyone want an wobbly old 3 speed auto or 4 speed manual thing with E12 suspension and loads of rust repairs? In the real world, a good one is worth £1500 and absolutely no more. The same goes to 628's; not a bad car but just not the proper deal. |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 04-January-2005 at 13:24
I'm not going to argue about the rust, but I just had the shocks and bushes done on my "E12" 635 and the handling is stunning. I've not been able to get it to step out without being utterly stupid, the car is very neutral and handles remarkably well. ------------- Ciao, Spokey 
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 09-January-2005 at 14:01
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That'll be the 635CSi with uprated Bilstein
suspension and possibly an LSD, not a 633CSi...... When 635CSi's are worth so little (i.e £3000 for a nice clean one), who would want a 633CSi? |
Posted By: Brucey
Date Posted: 09-January-2005 at 17:39
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maybe not now, but in a few years' time who can say??? cheers
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Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 09-January-2005 at 18:17
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On a car like a six where more and more go up to the big rust god in the sky any limited edition or rare model will be worth quite a bit when numbers decline further. When i spoke with the DVLA last year there were only 1000 sixes registered with the DVLA which is not that many when you consider how many made it into the UK market. Personally i think a hallmark in good condition with a manual box would be more interesting to me than a late model highline, but thats just me. ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 19-January-2005 at 13:06
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I would agree with you about a Hallmark being more
interesting, mainly because there are so few about. The same goes for a 633CSi because a mint one does look quite eyecatching these days. Trouble is though, rare doesn't equate into £££££ which is why they are worth so little. A chrome bumpered 635CSi looks the same to a casual observer but is a vastly better car. Anything BMW and seventies will be pretty rotten by now or will have had major rust repairs. Add to that dodgy twin servo brakes, old seventies Bosch electrics, rattly old engines with corroded heads. A case in point is a seventies 3 litre CS Coupe Auto - they should be worth ten grand but a nice one will struggle to make much more than £3500 which is such a pity. When a Stag or MGB Roadster makes £7000, it's criminal how little old BMW Coupes are worth. Still, all the better for us eh??! |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 19-January-2005 at 13:11
Absolutely agree with you there; the Bilstein equipped 635CSi was a much better handling car than the E9 CSL, really crisp with the LSD. They seemed to 'go' so much harder than the later Motronic 635 as well even though the power output is the same on paper. What year is yours? Manual or Auto? With the dogleg gearbox they were just a rocketship. There's a very pretty looking Gold one in Total BMW this month, a really stunning car. Sorry, but you can keep the new 6 Series! |
Posted By: Sohlman
Date Posted: 19-January-2005 at 13:34
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I proposed an article to total that they should do a driving comparison of an early manual six (Dog leg, bilsteins, LSD) against a highline M6. My feeling is that the performance would be near identical due to the huge difference in weight. Agree about the gold one being a nice car and it was one of the cars at the August Heckfield coupe meet in 2003. Is it me or does that car have the highline 635csi badging as i believe the correct badging for that car should have the chrome over a black backing plate. ------------- Sunday 10th July Brooklands Sharkfest and Big Coupe Day. http://635csi.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ - Coupe Events
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 19-January-2005 at 16:53
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Well, it should have a plastic chin spoiler and the big
chunky boot spoiler that conered the entire rear edge of the bootlid. Yes, the 635CSi was unique for BMW in having the small black and chrome bootlid badge so obviously the car has had the spoiler removed at some point. It would look better with the spoilers refitted, the early ones were heroic stuff. As for the M6, they were A LOT faster than the 635CSi because the top end power was just immense whereas the old 12v engine died off after 5500. The late M635CSi is 18 seconds faster to 120 mph than an early 635CSi and that's a huge difference. As good as the 635CSi was, the 24v car is just in a different league although they don't feel as lively in the lower rev range. Over 3500 rpm though, the M6 just takes off. According to BMW figures, the Highline M6 weighs 6 kilos more than a '79 635CSi. The early cars were pretty heavy you know, mainly due to all the old E12 suspension ironmongery. The E28 was quite a lot lighter than the E12 so I guess it figures that a later 6 is almost 100 kilos lighter than an early one. Everything on the E12 was so soildly built and heavy, a rear trailing arm being a case in point. They must have been made in a shipyard! |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 20-January-2005 at 17:34
...which is ironic, because BMW did make engines for use in marine applications...... -------------
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 21-January-2005 at 04:48
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Yep, and I had a marinised M30 engine in my lock
up! Can't remember what happened to it now but everything was subtly different. The most common boat that used the M30 was the E23 7 Series. Avast there me hearties! 
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 21-January-2005 at 18:18
I'm getting that sinking feeling already...... -------------
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 21-January-2005 at 18:48
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E23 + MOT test = shipwreck. It would be a Marie
Celeste job; a big useless ship and not an owner to be found. "Raise the Titanic? It'd be cheaper to lower the Atlantic" |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 24-January-2005 at 07:45
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Depends on what your definition of "nice" is. A solid one in good order would be nearer £9000. The CSL getting on for double that. See BMW Car Magazine the other month. Munich Legends had a top notch CSL for sale at £20k. Since they'd done a full restoration for a guy that cost £45k it's reasonable. Good original engined Stags with no rust are over £10k. Anything substantially cheaper needs work. I know 'cos I looked for one. It's all down to supply & demand. Parts for a Stag are cheap so it won't be financially unfeasable to repair. A CS coupe on the other hand..... Plus a convertible will always be higher in the desirebility stakes.
------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 24-January-2005 at 16:58
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Really ? Please show me someone who has paid
£9000 for a 3.0 CS Automatic - you'll struggle. A very, very nice one might make £5000. A perfect CSi might make £8000 on a good day. A perfect CSL can be bought for £15'000 - Nigel Moseley had a concours orange one which was way better than anything ML have ever had and I think it was up for £14'000. I bought mine for £4500 as part of a deal with an M3, did a load of work to it and sold it for £8250 and it was certainly a very bright and up together thing when it was done.. Anyone who pays £10'000 or more for a Stag with that boat anchor V8 needs their head feeling. It was junk when it was new, it's junk now. It's amazing how badly made, poorly conceived and shockingly unreliable BL scrap gains mythical status as soon as it gets old. I drove a couple and thought they were just awful. But they do look nice. For ten grand, anyone with an ounce of sense would buy a W107 Merc SL which was a proper car Ten grand buys a very tidy '87 420SL with a
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 24-January-2005 at 17:24
It doesn't take much to get you started, does it, Andy? -------------
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Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 25-January-2005 at 07:44
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Oh REALLY? Depends what standards you're applying. Few years ago my brother wanted a late SL. He knew exactly what he was looking for. We found plenty of £8k cars up for £13k+. Badly fitted pattern wings, rusty hardtops, leaky engines. All the sellers seemed to think they had mint examples worthy of the highest price. Eventually we found a proper cared for 300SL with 72k miles for £16500. He's sold it now but keeps an eye on prices in case he's tempted again. They aren't getting any cheaper. What is "mint" to one person is is rough to another. Also, you may not like the Stag but plenty of people do - that's why it's prices are so firm. Each to their own.
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 25-January-2005 at 15:57
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"All the sellers seemed to think they had mint
examples worthy of the highest price". Yes, there are lots of doggy ones - you have to look for good ones and for ten grand you will find something nice. A colleague of mine bought a one owner 500SL from 1984, 65'000 miles with history and in proper condition for £6500. Trouble was, it was a foul pinky white - but it was an honest original unrusty car. The colour killed it sadly and he struggled to sell it on again. "Also, you may not like the Stag but plenty of people do - that's why it's prices are so firm". Well, there's one born every minute. Never overestimate the intelligence of the general public. The Stag was a piece of rubbish in 1970, but like all the other nasty British landfill, it's one of the first cars muppets think off when you mention 'lovely shiny classic car'. The fact that it wasn't much good when it was new (and they were absolute garbage) is of little consequence. An American friend of mine had a new one in '73 and it was completely useless, never ending drama and aggro with 2 engines and 2 autoboxes in the space of a year. Hmm, a real classic. But apparently it did look good on the hard shoulder once the steam had died down. |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 25-January-2005 at 18:21
....or indeed WCUK government (local or central), or WCUK companies, WCUK contractors, sub-contractors.... in fact almost anything originating in WCUK. The only thing WCUK seems to do well is nostalgia for the Golden Age.... which never existed.  -------------
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Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 26-January-2005 at 07:14
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Such vehemence towards the poor Stag! Did you have an embarrassing experience in one? Yes the Stag had build quality problems – just like every other British built car at the time but then so did the French & Italians. I actually wrote a thesis on BL in the mid 70’s and had to research the subject quite closely. Initially the Stag was supposed to have the Rover (nee Buick) V8 but a combination of internal politics (Rover vs Triumph) & shortage of engines meant Triumph had to come up with an alternative quickly. Their solution was to mate two Dolly Sprint engines together to produce a V8, a process used by many manufacturers. On paper a SOHC 3.0litre V8 was good but lack of time & funds for development pushed it into production too quickly. The majority of problems surrounding the Stags engine can be traced to poor maintenance of a marginal cooling system. Ironically, the same problem reared it’s head at BMW a decade later and for the same reason. Rust was a problem for all cars (including BMW). Remember, it was 35 years ago. The fact that a higher proportion of Stags have survived than CS coupes says something about their status and desirability. Of course, all those "muppets" who've bought a Stag could be wrong & Andy Boy is right but I doubt it. I think I know who the muppet is. Strangely, of all the cars built in the 70’s the miserable Allegro has proved able to withstand the rust bug better than most! Maybe it was out of spite!
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Posted By: B10VYT
Date Posted: 26-January-2005 at 08:26
Alternatively, with £10 and a MIG welder...
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Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 26-January-2005 at 10:23
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Ha ha, good one ! Now get an Allegro front end on the Touring! ------------- AndyS Live each day as if it's your last - one day it will be. http://www.photostick.co.uk/view-933_BaurSig1.jpg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: B10VYT
Date Posted: 26-January-2005 at 10:32
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Sorry Andy - your beautiful Six didn't deserve that!
Even better...I've got a Allegro 'Vanden Plas' front end somewhere! ------------- Nick |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 26-January-2005 at 11:06
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The problems the Stag had were nothing to do with
poor maintenance - the troubles were occurring when these cars were new. The Stag came first and the Dolomite 1850 appeared two years later. The only things they really shared was one cylinder head. But anyway....... The Stag engine was fatally flawed due to the crazy design of the cylinder head studs where the top set went in as normal and the lower ones went in.....AT AN ANGLE!!! Can you believe that? If Triumph tried to design a bike, it would probably have square wheels. Angled head studs CANNOT exert the same clamping force as a proper one, fact. That'll be a blown head gasket or two then. The timing chain. This was the crappiest quality chain BL could find and they need replacing after just 30'000 miles. Brilliant. On my friend's car, the tensioner came loose and the engine destroyed itself as the chain jumped several teeth. (first engine) The distributor. Made by Lucas so assured of quality then. It was a copy of the Rolls Royce V8 unit but cost about 2 shillings to make. The points used to play up plus the bob weights would jam on full advance. This would blow the engine up because the timing was dramatically over advanced. The cooling system. The expansion bottle, for some incredible reason, was actually mounted BELOW the level of the coolant in the engine. Let's siphon all the coolant out of the engine and into this bottle then, causing an air lock. Fantastic, inspired design. You try getting rid of the air locks and topping up the cooling system after it's spat it all out on the M4. Plus of course the water pump which, like the Dolomite, sits on top of the engine and is driven by the jackshaft (oil pump I think). If it wasn't shimmed perfectly, it would either cavitate the water or not do anything. No, the Stag really was a masterpiece and I'm gutted I don't own one. Also, there were 20'000 (?) Stags built and unlike other Triumphs they were not exported to the USA so most of them stayed here, worst luck. I think about 3000 CS Coupes were imported in total and yes, they were a rusty old crock as well and far worse for rust than a Stag. But at least it was a genuinely nice car when it was new. The Yanks would have taken one look at that crap V8 and just laughed. With a Rover unit it could have been very good of course. Never mind. The Allegro? Now that's vicous!! But the story of BL is fascinating and very sad; under investment in the sixties and a blind faith in Issigonis, a series of truly rubbish cars in the seventies, Derek Robinson, Edwardes.......an idea for a TV Drama? |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 07:52
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As I said, time & money were against them. The Stag was released in 1970 (too soon as I said) & the Dolomite was launched in 1971. The engine design was already under way when the Stag engine idea came up. Like so many British engineering projects Triumph were forced to work with what they had (not much). And yes, some of the design features were questionable. The Lotus Twin Cam of 1962 had a crap water pump design too. Saab used the Dolomite engine in the 99 & it took them quite a while to iron out the problems. A missed opportunity but it wasn't the first & it won't be the last.
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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 13:06
Did they? didn't know that. I thought the 2 litre engine in the 99 was a Saab's own engine. I know the engine in the 96 was a Triumph V4 IIRC, after that I thought they designed and built their own. I may be wrong, will have to read up on it. (my dad is a big Saab fan, and has had a 96, a 99L, a 900GLS and is currently on his 2nd, a 900i (old shape, not the General Motors one)  ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 16:23
Triumph V4??? Thought it was a Ford V4..... -------------
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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 16:28
I stand corrected
"The Ford 1,498cc V4 engine delivered 65hp aat 4,700rpm and saw 100kph from rest in just 16 seconds. The unit was capable of 155kph although Saab factory technicians recommended a maximum cruising speed of 140kph." Taken from http://www.saabmuseum.com/96v4/ - here. ..and indeed the engine from the 99 was from Triumph. http://www.saabmuseum.com/99/index.html - Saab 99 . You live and learn. ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 16:36
This may have been something to do with the fact that the WCUK-built V4 engine generated a ****load of vibration. German-built V4s (as used in the Ford Taunus) were reportedly a lot smoother.... The V4 grew to 2-litre capacity in later years, most notoriously being used as a replacement for the (at the time) flawed NSU rotary engine in the otherwise sybaritic Ro80..... -------------
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Posted By: Brucey
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 18:05
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The SAAB engineers got cheesed off with the Triumph engine and re-engineered quite a lot of it. Some time in 900 series production they came out with their own 16v DOHC 2000cc engine, and this was an undoubted improvement. How much of the Triumph design was carried over I don't know, but the 16v SAAB lump (although basically strong) also has an unhealthy appetite for head gaskets (although not in turbo form so much, strangely); SAAB dealers hold extensive stocks of gaskets, and the parts guy will know the number off by heart... Stags were 'quite nice' in their day but the camchains were rubbish, as were the cylinder head studs, and a few other little gems. A chum of mine has one, and although it looks OK at a few paces substantial amounts of the bodywork are now repair sections of various kinds. Other 'novel' design features include aluminium wheel nuts, guaranteed never to loosen accidentally as they corrode into place within minutes. Rust was designed in to the Stag; I gather that, just to make sure it set in well, bare metal bodies had to be transferred across the road from one shop to another. Since they wouldn't fit through the underpass that was constucted for the purpose, they were driven by road, on open topped lorries, in all weathers. Still, you'd be hard-pushed to find a more pleasant vehicle for bimbling around the lanes in on a summer's day. cheers
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 27-January-2005 at 19:04
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....apart from a Mercedes SL, that is.
The Triumph engine was used in the Saab 99 three years before the Dolomite, coming out in late 1969 but the first engines were 1700cc. These became 1850cc in 1971/2 when the 1850 Dolomite appeared but by 1974, Saab had designed their own 2 litre engine which shares next to nothing with the Triumph thing. The V4 used in the 95/96 was the 1500 Cologne unit as used in the German Taunus. Ford Germany made the V4 as a 1300 for the basic Capri, the biggest being the 1700. The 2 litre German Capris used a V6 whereras out stuff had the lovely 2 litre V4. NASTY 
Then the Pinto engine appeared.......... |
Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 09:03
 what you want is a e12 520 top car, its got to be an auto or a e23 better car... hi andy hows things mate...
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 09:07
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andyboy has gone to lie down in a darkened room Rob, you've upset him On the subject of the classic e12 Dreadnoughts does anyone know anything about the very early 520 & 520i with the 4 cyl M10 2002 & 2002Tii motors?
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:30
Oh No, it's the Doom Crew come back to haunt me!!
 How's it going Lads? I trust I'm being
Royally chastised on the new 7 Series forum? Early 520? Firstly, they've all rusted away, secondly, they aren't making any more.....
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:38
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At last, you're back from the pub andyboy. The new forum is seriously dull thus far. not many members so far, about 65 in all. If you hate Stags, do you also hate Dolomites, TR6 and 2500 PI/TC. I take it you really hate TR7?
my mate had a TR7 drophead in Pharoah Gold - mmm tasty!
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:40
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just winding you up mate, subject is now dropped.
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:45
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rob - you spoilsport! the heated rows over E23's E12's etc were the best fun on the old board. Is Andyboy's alter ego Hiab on this forum?
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Posted By: robs e23
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:47
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your powers are week old man without hiabboy.
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Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 14:33
Don't expect the last word on these cars from me.. but I have very fond memories of our E12 520.. whaddaya want to know? ------------- |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 16:20
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lets hear your E12 anecdotes please Nick these cars have a classic following everywhere except the UK it seems.
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Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 28-January-2005 at 17:23
It was the first car we ever had with electric mirrors.. kool! ------------- |
Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 29-January-2005 at 06:41
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What, like this?
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 29-January-2005 at 07:48
It's RHD!! Look! No hands! -------------
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 29-January-2005 at 08:11
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That's the one. One of my fave cars, although they
can rust a bit and so many have been abused and neglected. A nice one is just lovely though, but I'd give the 280 and 300 a miss - you need the V8 if only for the sound. |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 29-January-2005 at 12:17
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the chick in the E12 is andyboy's mum and she made him clean & polish it every week. thats why he hates E12's so much. ------------- Philip '86 E23 735iA SE - Polaris - The Silver Surfer '85 E23 735iA SE - Cosmos Blue - VJ '86 E28 528iA SE - Dia Black - Helga '86 E23 728iA SE - Polaris - The CHAV mobile |
Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 29-January-2005 at 13:50
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Yeah, I've got an aversion to Pastel Blue, it's a
chuldhood thing. That Cat can't wait to escape that low rent velour interior. Now, if it was buffalo hide........... |
Posted By: spokey
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 04:28
What do you mean? Velour was "hawt" back in the day... ------------- Ciao, Spokey
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 05:22
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"Need professional counselling; on my drive are: E38 750iL, E24 635CSi, Z1 and E21 323i Baur... " Respect! have you any pics/info on your collection spokey? Even andyboy would like that little lot in his BMW barn. "Yeah, I've got an aversion to Pastel Blue, it's a I'm not sure that E12 is pastel blue. looks kinda metallic?
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 07:47
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Looks a bit to bluey to be the only metallic blue BMW
did back then which is another insipid shade, Fjord Blue. Pastel is my best guess. Yuk. The only good BMW colours from the seventies were Golf yellow, Taiga green met, Tundra green met, Turkis and Inca orange. Polaris silver is okay. |
Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 09:58
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maybe its brand new Pastelblau Andy. My E21 was pastel but 11 years old and so faded somewhat. in fact the paint was about 3 resprays deep in places. what colour was Turkis?
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Posted By: Andyboy
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 10:57
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Metallic turquoisey bluey green. Lush.
A 3.3L with pale grey velour and vinyl roof.....  
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Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 11:52
...plus furry dice and a "Feu Orange" air freshener
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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 12:00
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Don't foget the box of Kleenex, with the knitted cover on the parcel shelf.. ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 12:57
Knitted cover? I thought that was the tartan blanket.... -------------
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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 30-January-2005 at 13:19
Knitted cover for the kleenex box that is, usually pale blue or pink
..forgot about the tarten blanket. 
..oh, and some old brown draylon cushions.  ------------- V reg Rustbucket Merc C220 Cdi estate J Reg Saab 900i 16v '63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe R reg Honda PC50 moped.. No BMW as yet... |
Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 02-February-2005 at 05:02
| no, you need cushions on the parcel shelf, completes the image perfectly! |
Posted By: Hiabboy
Date Posted: 05-February-2005 at 19:09
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With the current market price of silver being so low, a hallmark(provided its got its ingot on the ashtray) is worth about 87p . If it has a few months rent and a bosch battery with a handle i might go a bit higher.... ------------- Profit is more reasonable than justice. |
Posted By: Horsetan
Date Posted: 19-February-2005 at 07:12
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Not a "Hallmark", but http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31357&item=4528821874 - may need a little work..... -------------
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Posted By: M3AG
Date Posted: 25-February-2005 at 06:59
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there's a silver one on Autotrader at the moment.
Looks smart, but it's up for £4995. |