25th June - £40 per driver/car. £5 for passengers, spectators go free. Donations towards club funds welcome

Alternatively if you cannot use PayPal then cheques can be sent to Gary Morgan (aka Wendy.. aka Gary on this forum). PM him for details. See details below.

We will be holding another terrific day out at Crail Raceway on 25th June 2005. Based on interest so far; the day already promises to showcase a very diverse range of sights and sounds (see list below), which will easily match previous Crail BDDs.

An additional charge for timing devices will be charged with proceeds going towards club funds.

For those involved in the video project - the aim is to also cover this event for the end of year DVD annual. Can those involved please PM me to ensure we will have some cameras on standby.

List details here

1. M 8LUR (Jon Beckett, Larbert, Zeemax ZMR Roadster) PAID

2. BMBits.co.uk (James Westwood, Dunfermline, 318is) PAID

3. Alanross (Alan Ross, Motherwell, E36 M3 Coupe) PAYMENT DUE

4. Gordon (Gordon Kaye, Edinburgh, e34 525i Sport, Gizmo) PAID

5. 330Dse (Steve, Livingston, 535d Sport ) PAID

6. George91 (George Davie, E30 318is or E30 325 sport) PAID

7. John F (John Finlay, Edinburgh Z8) PAID

8. M3Cecotto (JBeattie, Glasgow, 635csi) PAYMENT DUE

9. mabelcable (Martin, Dumfries, Subaru or E36 EVO saloon) PAID

10. Rattler (Craig, '94 E36 318i) PAID

11. 523iSE (Alan Dean, Paisley, BMW 523i se, 1999, petrol) PAYMENT DUE

12. Claymore 72 (Malc Skillicorn, Almera aka 'Santa's Shed') PAID

13. 330ci-Sport (Mark + passenger, Edinburgh, Schnitzer 330Ci Sport) PAID

14. M3CSL (Paul Anderson, Edinburgh, M-Radical ) PAID

15. Slowboy (Jamie, E30 M3, Edinburgh) PAYMENT DUE

16. C10 OTS (Graham, car tbc,) PAYMENT DUE - Offshore?

17. 2002EVO (Colin Gallie, 2002 EVO, PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID

18. Coupeking (PLEASE CONFIRM) NOT PAID

Members below have cancelled.

19. R8 MTC(Mark Court) Selling car - cancelled

20. Jules - Dates clash - cancelled

21. 215M3 (Toby, E30 M3) Unable to attend

Pre-Drive Checks

I am sure you will be eager to get out onto the circuit………… but is your car ready for an event such as this?

Please take a few moments to check that your car is prepared for the circuit, paying particular attention to the following...

1. Wheels/tyres:
2. Brakes:
3. Suspension:
4. Steering:
5. Exhaust:
6. Bodywork:
7. Cooling:
8. Drivebelts:
9. Engine oil:                 
10. Battery:         
11. Interior:
12. Boot:        

Driving Conduct

1. No racing: This is a Better Driving Day not a race.  

2. No overtaking: Until it is safe to do so, and not until the driver in front lets you through. You must overtake on the side agreed on the day. This procedure will be explained at the briefing, if in doubt....ask!

3. No blocking: If you have a car in your mirrors then you must let them  through. When it is safe...move over, back off the throttle and let them past on your left. (Please avoid the temptation to go faster and stay in front)

4. No drifting until advised safe to do so.

 

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1998 Zeemax M Roadster
2005 X5 3.0D Sport
1991 Esprit SE Race car

Me down for 1 spectator

Will pay up front

If no show = No refund

Hi, i,m up for another blast round the track, should manage most dates ???        

George91 wrote:   Hi, i,m up for another blast round the track, should manage most dates ???

Plz PM me your details George. Thx.

Jon

pete323 wrote: Me down for 1 spectator Will pay up front If no show = No refund

Cheers old bean,

Not sure about spectator fees Pete.. refer to Shorty. But it's an idea even if just a nominal cost.

Will you be filming? I'm sure anyone who's filming for the video project would be discounted as they'll be in effect 'working'.

You're welcome to PAX laps m8.

BR,

Jon

Jon

Put me down as a definite, although I might be on holiday in May. However, still happy to pay up-front.

John F

John F wrote: Jon Put me down as a definite, although I might be on holiday in May. However, still happy to pay up-front. John F

Thanks John.. in the Zee 8... lovely.

BR,

215m3 wrote: My car can be used for passenger laps with a contribution of a £1 to add to the coffers in the same way pete's talking. Pete if you turn up you could fix the camera to my cage, when it's fitted!

I with you mate

what are pax laps?

can i come along too as a spectator?

in order to get footage for the dvd i will require passenger rides in as many different cars as possible... sitting in a beast of a car hoofing round a private track at breakneck speed is not my idea of fun <cough, cough>, but i do it for the club, i know i know, its really selfless of me, but i'll get my reward in heaven

215m3 wrote: My car can be used for passenger laps with a contribution of a £1 to add to the coffers in the same way pete's talking. Pete if you turn up you could fix the camera to my cage, when it's fitted!

PAX=Passenger.

Ditto. But perhaps £2.50 a fairer contribution.. or maybe;

£1.50 1 lap, £2.00 for 2 laps, £5.00 for 6 laps etc etc

Possibly it doesn;t all have to be in the same car either. Again this would be subject to sufficient number of lids available on the day.

Every little bit helps the club funds.. Shorty can work out the numbers and advise on this. I guess charge from Willie will dictate preceedings.

stephenperry wrote: what are pax laps? can i come along too as a spectator? in order to get footage for the dvd i will require passenger rides in as many different cars as possible... sitting in a beast of a car hoofing round a private track at breakneck speed is not my idea of fun <cough, cough>, but i do it for the club, i know i know, its really selfless of me, but i'll get my reward in heaven

 of course.. of course.. special rates for 'video project' mbrs I'm sure..

pete323 wrote: 215m3 wrote: My car can be used for passenger laps with a contribution of a £1 to add to the coffers in the same way pete's talking. Pete if you turn up you could fix the camera to my cage, when it's fitted! I with you mate

Pete - you spectating or driving?

BR,

Jonny

M BLUR wrote: pete323 wrote: 215m3 wrote: My car can be used for passenger laps with a contribution of a £1 to add to the coffers in the same way pete's talking. Pete if you turn up you could fix the camera to my cage, when it's fitted! I with you mate Pete - you spectating or driving? BR, Jonny

as i said way up top

I will come to spectate

Dont know how much this costs,but i am willing to contribute so much anyway for the Club

and i will be taking video footage

Good lad.

Video Project is gonna be a blast.. maybe as a region we could sell to the rest of the club to raise funds.. hmm.. [idea]

I'm in for this. Livingston, 535d Sport (with tuning box?)  PAX Welcome

My opinion is that passengers/spectators should be charged a fixed fee (£5, £10?) and have as many laps as they want (or the drivers will allow!). If drivers have blue armbands, then passengers get white armbands and someone checks all cars and pax going onto the track.

I can't make the middle of May until the middle of June

Hi got me own lid, got me digi camera, got me missus, got to find out where crail is, got to find out when, got to find out how much, I know one of these guys got to now everything

hey bars open goto go

catch you later

Alan

Off topic

330dse

I stay in Livingston through the week so I'll look out for the 535

215m3 wrote: Do we need helmets, as they have not be used in the past? Is this an insurance issue?

You dont need helmets at Crail

Another interested party tonight in the name of coots

He is on here c10 ots

give him a shout as he has probz posting

 - Ooh!! a trackday

.. can I come & play too?

215m3 wrote: Where about in Livi. Used to stay there myself, but moved west to Bathgate. Be nice to see the CSL, hint hint!!

I'm in Murieston. If the roads ever dry I'll give you a shout and we can go for a blast.

Paul

M3CSL wrote: 215m3 wrote: Do we need helmets, as they have not be used in the past? Is this an insurance issue? You dont need helmets at Crail

Not an insurance issue.. just a safety one.

Last time club required all PAX to wear helmets but committee can clarify. I reckon they'll be a few floating around on the day anyway.

rattler wrote:  - Ooh!! a trackday .. can I come & play too?

More the merrier old chap.

Just PM me details..

pete323 wrote: Another interested party tonight in the name of coots He is on here c10 ots give him a shout as he has probz posting

Just PM'd him. Can you check with him in a couple of days if no response? Cheers Jon

Another joins the fray.

Martin with his E36 EVO Saloon.

Thanks

M BLUR wrote: Not an insurance issue.. just a safety one. Last time club required all PAX to wear helmets but committee can clarify. I reckon they'll be a few floating around on the day anyway.

All of our track days have been helmets for drivers or passengers only in softops - all other car drivers and pax have not required helmets.

330dse wrote: M BLUR wrote: Not an insurance issue.. just a safety one. Last time club required all PAX to wear helmets but committee can clarify. I reckon they'll be a few floating around on the day anyway. All of our track days have been helmets for drivers or passengers only in softops - all other car drivers and pax have not required helmets.

I'm sure we can sort sth out for anyone worried about safety..

rattler wrote:  - Ooh!! a trackday .. can I come & play too?

Good lad!

M BLUR wrote: Good lad!

... I hoping that at least another ('non //M') 4 pot driver will also come to the event.
I don't fancy my chances much against the current list of ///M & straight six cars

Put me down as a goer.  Would like to give my wheels some pain.

Alan Ross E36 M3 Coupe from Motherwell

rattler wrote: ... I hoping that at least another ('non //M') 4 pot driver will also come to the event. I don't fancy my chances much against the current list of ///M & straight six cars

Craig.. when you get to the hairprin and chicane you'll be thankfull for that lightweight 4 up front. I can honestly say the sixes struggle to find anywhere to put the power down at Crail bar back straight which is the only real passing place but even there.. they'll need to be close.

But and it's a BIG BUT - it's not a race - the emphasis is on learning the habits of your car, have fun and driving with courtesy and common sense + a chance to meet up and have some banter. Adrenalin levels are always to the max without any racing.

You're running 225s all round.. and if that suspension is well set-up then you should get plenty of bite. Watch your brakes and you might be the quickest guy out there.. as us M drivers potter to not damage our bodywork...

I don't mind not being the fastest, I just don't fancy being lapped constantly

If crail is a tight track, then I should have 1/2 a chance of keeping up. The suspension on the car is excellent (Bilstiens sprints & Eibach prokit), and I should have an x-brace fitted early next year.

My front brake upgrade (calipers from a 328, x-drilled vented disks, pagid fast road pads) is still sitting in the garage waiting for the last of my current pads to wear - can't wait to loose those nasty solid discs

as us M drivers potter to not damage our bodywork...

Jo Brand after a half price Chinese buffet.

Cheers

Craig.

rattler wrote: What about Gary then? IIRC I seen a video of Crail where Sport EVO + red mist + Tyre wall = *ouch

Hence Wendy's not joining is this time but will be serving track side drinks and nibbles in high heels and a french maid's outfit. Not quite the sort of pit babe I was hoping for..

OK put my name in i would love to go

Alan

Don't worry we are all a sensible bunch!  I suggested posting the rules so that everyone can see that its *not* a race, it's purely about driving your car as fast as you want around the track.

Posting the rules also serves to avoid any confusion for anyone who may have been expecting a time trial and to be racing against all the cars mentioned - step forward Mr Peugot 405 Mi6 driver  

523ise wrote: OK put my name in i would love to go Alan

Plz PM me with details. Thx

Jon

It's not as bad as people make out...

523ise wrote: Are wifes aloud to come along

Is that a rhetorical question... ??

More women I say..even 'loud' ones..

Many thanks for all the support.. it proves what Dunc and the rest of the committee felt.. that there is sufficient support to hold track-type events.. maybe the start of things to come.. small steps forward.

Best Rgds

coupe king wrote: I have heard the surface is pretty rough at crail, anyone here been to crail before? Is that true....

I've heard that too ... I think it might be time to order those oversized mud flaps

Craig.

Might have to take this off.......

I wasnt so much concerned about stones coming up as the actual surface, ie pot holes.....

Yup you're running nice n low. I'd certainly remove the lower splitter to safeguard it and stick it back on afterwards.. about a 10 min job.. That must be about 2" clearance yes?

Having just got the wee gal back on Friday I'm now running about 3" clearance at front but I still don't think it'll be a prb too much now// trick is to suss' the track and spot where the 'dirty' sections are and avoid.

There should be time for a quick walk round (say 10 minutes) which gives newbies a good chance to also have a look. I'll use that time with a few volunteers to suss any areas to avoid.

If in doubt.. if I fall into a pot hole then take another line..

I'm sure Shorty can convince Willie to do a clean-up.. if not we'll remove any offending artciles and put them back when we're finished..

Shorty is speaking with Willie as far as I'm aware.. dates will be posted here as soon as available.

coupe king wrote: Sounds like a plan mate! I have two splitters, so i might leave on the old one! As you say it takes 5 min to take it off it it is catching a bit and 0.5 secs to take off if it catches a big bit LOL! I think i will be on for takin her on the track, why not eh!

I'm the same.. got 2 corner splitters.. I also expect some chipping after these events but nothing a quick touch-up/re-spray wont sort and nothing you cant pick up anywhere else these days.. Who knows.. we may set up our own competition for slowest entrants.. or fastest mbr in reverse...

Hi everyone,

Excellent to see how this is shaping up. I'd like to mention 2 things however:

1) Crail DOES require helmets, but only for those with convertibles, this was the rule previously and I've not heard of it being altered.

2) My Digi-camcorder will be setup at the Hairpin as usual.

Keep the entries rolling in, lets try and beat our previous total of 20 entrants!!!

Correct my fine friend.. of course apart from those 'little schueys' from within our own ranks...

Good pts from Jimbo.. Im sure there wil still be enough lids to accomodate PAX laps.. and most down are tin tops anyway.

I hope to spin out at the same spot again James.. is it a date...

M3CSL wrote: 215m3 wrote: Do we need helmets, as they have not be used in the past? Is this an insurance issue? You dont need helmets at Crail

Soft tops only

Spaces left m8,

Just PM your details and you can confirm once dates etc relaesed.

Rgds

Jon

Cheers

Slight confusion with Tommy over this but I have now asked Willie's office to confirm. Unfortunately Willie in Thailand of all places and so I'm waiting for his return to confirm dates.

Price approx £35 per car for 10 cars but I think this price must have risen closer to £50 (as it was more expensive I recall for the cancelled 2004 event). But will confirm. I'll also aim to secure us both track and drift oval for same price but it may unfeasible for Crail to switch the back straight from track to drag in the time allowed.. unless of course we can switch to the skid pan or oval during that time.

Will advise as soon as I have spoken with Willie. I'll of course try to get a fixed fee and lower the cost if we have enough cars to do so or negotiate a lower cost per car. At that time I might pass to you Tommy or go up to speak to him together.

Basically (as I've PM'd Tommy) provisionally we can have any Saturday 10-4pm during May/June. So it's now a case to see what is everyone's preferred date from the following Saturdays. It's best if those who have committed take priority and also try to choose a few dates. So the Saturday's are:

May: 7th, 14th, 21st or 28th

June: 4th, 11th, 18th or 25th

We can also cut this down quickly if we agree which month.

Preferences?

M BLUR wrote: Preferences?

Early May or late June, please.

May 7th, 14th or June 18th or 25th for me. Those are the only dates I can manage in those months.

Ok.

I'll add my not inconsiderable weight behind the 18th and 25th June bit in fairness any date is good fro me 4 now.

Remember these dates are only provisional for now until I can speak to Willie. Apologies to all for confusion and delay in confirming.

PLEASE SEE TOP OF THREAD FOR LATEST UPDATE AND PROVISIONAL DATES. PLEASE CONFIRM ASAP.

Hi there,

I can do May 14th, 28th, June 11th, June 18th and June 25th.

Cheers,

Gordon.

14th May I'm at Knockhill and 6th June at Spa. At this time any other date is cool.

Paul

June 18th and June 25th still looking good (pending responses from the rest who signed up)

Maybe start chasing next week Tommy if we haven't heard from everyone.

Any date suits me.

I am very easy going 

But hopefully you can still do some of those June dates if they don't clash exactly, right Tob?

I am up for any dates, sorry i missed out on the first meet but had flooding problems here.

mark me down

Alan

All good so far for the 18th but particuarly for the 25th of June.

18th of June or 25th June fine with me

Just as it's not a 9am start

you have to be up at a ridiculous time to get to Crail for that time with the roads as they are in that neck of the woods

Not a problem Malc. track running times normally 10-4 so brief usually 9.30ish. Anyone late can get a quick brief before going onto track.

Hopefully data and cost can be confirmed shortly.

Tommy - as Events organiser can you ring Crail office to book? PM me and I'll give you details.

Jon

Tommy.. was the 25th still available when you got a reply back from the Crail office? Hopefully you can confirm date and cost next week and start collecting payments from everyone ASAP. Cheers

Confirmed as 25th June 2005.

£40 per car/driver + £5 per passenger. Spectators go free.

Payment details & PayPal link at top of thread.

Please pay ASAP so we can secure this date.

Thx

MR MBLUR dont see my name on list,and ive paid,about a month ago

cheeRS stu

ah this one is oot of date

here is http://www.bmwccscotland.co.uk/bmwcc/meets/2005/june/crail/ - latest list

M3CSL wrote: Can I bring a second driver?

No apparantly not

No, unfortunately the price is per driver, not per car, so you (or they) would have to stump up the normal fee.

Cheers,

James.

Cheers pete, hi mell,good to meet you on sunday

cheeRS stu

STUCOS wrote: MR MBLUR dont see my name on list,and ive paid,about a month ago cheeRS stu

No problem m8. You have to PM me some details to update the thread as I don't know who gets informed as Tommy runs this show. You'll probably find the list on the website is up to date. Jon

nice one Norrie you will be made very welcome & if you fancy it you can go out for a spin with a couple  of the guy's thatare taking there  car's on track for £5 for the whole day!!!!!!

So hope to see you there

Tommy - can you send me the up to date list so I can update this thread? Thx

@ jon full list should be on the region website .

oh come on mell,ppl dont usually forget me,hope you enjoyed your chips

cheeRS stu