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Forum Name: BMW 3 Series
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Topic: Chipping an E30 316i - any benefit?
Posted By: Kevin_E30_318iS
Subject: Chipping an E30 316i - any benefit?
Date Posted: 30-November-2004 at 04:28
Just wondering if any of you have chipped an E30 316i, and if you saw any benefits? I'm thinking of getting a chip but don't want to buy something that has no benefit or does long term damage to the engine.

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Kevin_1990_318iS



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Posted By: dave 328
Date Posted: 30-November-2004 at 05:29

Chipping won't damage the engine in anyway.

Power increase on a 316 won't be huge, but drivability will be improved and also mpg can be improved.

Ask chippeduk about it, the chips are chip as..... err chips!!



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328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace


Posted By: Kevin_E30_318iS
Date Posted: 01-December-2004 at 04:08
Thanks, I was thinking of something like the Venom chip but just wandered about chipping the 316i in general. Car is totally standard at the moment.

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Kevin_1990_318iS


Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 01-December-2004 at 07:04

The only thing you might improve with a good quality chip would be the driveability of the car, maybe make it smoother.  You'd be lucky to see much of a noticable power increase, although some will probably claim 10hp gains or something which is not true.



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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:40

6hp is possible on this car.

thats a fact.



Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 03-December-2004 at 08:40

ohh, and it is noticable.

 



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 03-December-2004 at 09:56

What performance wise you're telling me 6hp will make a difference?

Ignoring the smoothing of the power curve, just the addition of 6hp.

 



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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 03-December-2004 at 10:01

I`m saying that the drivability and performance will be noticed yes.

If you added 6hp too a 300hp M3 you wouldnt notice it but on a lower powered 1.6 you will.



Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 03-December-2004 at 11:04
...plus a bigger elastic band.





used to have a E30 316 wasnt even injected, 98bhp

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Posted By: Kevin_E30_318iS
Date Posted: 04-December-2004 at 12:48
@chippeduk, paul3251i, dave328,

Thanks for your feedback, much appreciated.

@Rhys,
There is no need to slag off other people's motors. I well aware of the limitations of the 316i, I have owned it for the last 8 years. I'm just looking for some impartial advice on how to improve the cars driveability.

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Kevin_1990_318iS


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 04-December-2004 at 13:00

kevin, i dont think he was dissin your car mate, it is his freaky sence of humour thats all.

 

cheers

 



Posted By: Kevin_E30_318iS
Date Posted: 04-December-2004 at 14:59
Maybe I'm being a little sensitive at the moment. There's jobs that need doing on the car and I can't get a spare minute. Roll on the Xmas holidays...

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Kevin_1990_318iS


Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 04-December-2004 at 19:15
Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:


There is no need to slag off other people's motors. I well aware of the limitations of the 316i, I have owned it for the last 8 years. I'm just looking for some impartial advice on how to improve the cars driveability.


I wasn't slaggin' your car off.. In fact, as I said, I used to have a 316 n/a, bottom of the range, rattled and shook at 70, rotten to bits due to being in a flood, the paint was holding te rust together...but it was my first car and spent months doing her up, more weld than the glasgow docks and was still sprouting mushrooms a year later (engine was sweet as a nut tho' at 89k on a B reg). I loved that car, and put a tear in my eye when I saw it in a scrap yard one day. If you have taken it the wrong way, I appologise, but no offence meant.

As for Jayson (chippeduk) I can recomend him, he a decent bloke who can make a difference to your motor. You could also look at getting a big bore throttle body and an induction kit, I had a Piper Cross on my E30 320i, and it was quite nice. You could also look at getting an eibach/bilstein setup, which would improve the ride over stock suspension.

One thing I would say tho' If you want to get in touch with Jayson, is to ring him as he gets loads of e-mails, and his pm box is usually full..

As said before, no offence meant, I'm only having a laugh..


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Posted By: orkboss
Date Posted: 07-December-2004 at 14:19
Where are these chips obtained from? Would not BMW have already have placed a chip to offer the optimum perforance and fuel economy ratio.


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 07-December-2004 at 14:31

http://www.chippeduk.com - www.chippeduk.com

 

the reason bmw didnt do them is they were given high insurance groupings so lowered the power to sell more cars.



Posted By: dave 328
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 07:06

And as BMW sell to a wide market they have to cover different grades of fuel, we have 95+ octane, other countries have as low as 81 octane. If the car was tuned to run on 95+ it would have probably the best power (this is what chippeduk maps the parameters to, so gaining power), but if it was shipped to a country where 81 was only available you'd have a pretty knackered engine thru detonation and loads of 'pinking'. Also they are retarded for poor maintenance.

Japan has 100 octane, thats why performance imports like Subaru Imprezas suffer from pinking and have to add an octane booster to get back up to the 100 available in Japan. A UK Impreza will be tuned to suit UK fuel.

This probably also why BMWs benefit more from a chip/remap as they are more retarded to cope with a wider market then say Peugeot (which don't give as bigger benefit) as these cars are generally sold in europe where octane is better and thus tuned to run on a higher octane.

My car would have run on a low octane fuel, but now I've had a remap it probably wouldn't do well. The knock sensors will adjust timing to suit different ranges of fuels, but there is only so much they can adjust, so a chip/remap moves the adjustable parameters up the scale, so using the higher octane fuel available will give a better benefit and the fuel will be burnt more efficiently.



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328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 07:12
you should be my agent :D


Posted By: dave 328
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 07:16
Would I get commission or that ICV you said you had. ;)

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328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace


Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 09:49

Do you guarantee your chips Jayson? Say if one were to be faulty or the increased rev limit you offer on some were to mean terminal failure of an engine you'd be liable for the entire cost to repair. 

Also you refer to 'ChippedUK' as a company, are you running a partnership or are you sole trading? I see no ChippedUK in the Limited companies register so i'm assuming you're not actual a company.



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 10:08

How would you know that the chip had caused the failure? Unless the engine was either new or had been thoroughly inspected before the chip was fitted. If it was me I wouldn't offer a warranty, at least not on the engine dying. After all Jason could sell a chip by post to someone who's car he has never seen, if the engine was already tired it could be due to fail anyway. I doubt any of the bigger chip companies offer such a warranty either, unless you could prove conclusively that the failure was caused by the chip, which I suspect is very difficult.

 



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Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 10:12

Well he fails to post a disclaimer on his website, which actually forms part of the contract between buyer and seller. 

Also if it's a 'company' as stated then he needs to include his Full company name, the address and his VAT number aswell as the contact details.

 



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Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 10:18

You do appear to have it in for him don't you.

Has he anoyed you at some point in the past?



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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.


Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 10:25

Just bored, asking questions passes the day.

If he's offended don't trade on the net simple as that.  And we won't dredge up past instances of Gumball related events he seems to have made an attempt to clear his record so that won't be beneficial to anybody.



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Posted By: dave 328
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 10:32
I don't by law you have to state the address or VAT no. Maybe on an invoice.

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328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 12:01

Paul is an ****, i like it when he thinks he must spend his time discrediting me.

The fact is, ChippedUK is a registered Business although not VAT registered but this is neither needed or a legal requirement.

I offer a warrenty on all my goods against failure but if it could be diagnosed that one of my chips caused a failure to occur I have full legal and insurance cover to enable me to resolve an issue quickly.

I find it odd that you would slate me paul being a part of a forum which sells products yet neither pays tax or even declares tax on its earnings.

If you want to continue to play your games then fine, but i will have the forum shut down as quick as you can make another derogatory remark to me or my  business and i WILL make sure everyone knows the reason why.



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 12:46

Only asking questions Jayson, not insulting, you provided the answers well done, thats how a forum works.  Although i've never called you a ****, which is a tad childish.

You referred to it as a 'company' on your site which is infact different to a business, that was the point i was making.



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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 12:49

Have i broken any laws ?

You can call a business a company as long as you have 2 employees.

I have 2.

Myself and my wife who is secretary.

I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself as i know what you are about, if you feel something is wrong contact trading standards or the tax office.



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 12:54
Thanks for information, interesting as ever.

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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 15:10

Were you beaten as a child ?

The inner anger you suffer with is trully amazing ans something a few quid in therapy could resolve i am sure.



Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 15:15
I'm not angry Jayson, although i fear you may be.  Just relax, or take up smoking.

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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 15:22

What i dont understand is your need to do my business damage.

What do you expect me to do ?

sit back and take it ?

I can only tell you that should you continue i will have to resort to a higher level of persuasion.

if i get banned for this then so be it but i cant sit back and take you messing with my livlyhood.

you helped destroy my name on the e30zone posting lies about customers who`m i was supposed to have ripped off yet whenever i asked for names or proof you kept banning me.

my actions since leaving the zone prove what i am like to trade with and my constant help to the bmw community proves i am a valued member.

what is your role ?

what do you give back ?



Posted By: Peter Fenwick
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 16:04

Paul,

You do appear to have an agenda here. Whatever the History between you and Jayson why not just drop it and stop taking shots at him under the pretext of 'asking questions'.



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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 16:23
Paul, you can only get away with things for so long then people start to notice.


Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 16:45
hmmm... getting tedious.

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Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 08-December-2004 at 20:52

Ok i take it all back, Jayson's a great guy, buy his chips.

And the E30zone thing was because you posted up about our chips on your forum, but that's history now so forget it.



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Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 03:22

I have never once done anything against the e30zone first, i have only ever retaliated.

I have spoken to the site owner and other mods, none of whom share your enthusiasm for trouble.

I do hope you will honour your above statement and let matters be.



Posted By: Smoggy
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 05:24
Can you 2 please pack this in!

paul325i
This was another members thread which you seem to have hi-jacked to to get a Jayson once again.

chippeduk
Jayson, you realy should know better mate! this is your livelyhood on the line. I know you get frustrated at people trying to discredit you, but its not very good business like to start having a slanging match on a public forum. I have one of your chips and the service you provide is brilliant, but you will put people off buying you product if this happens on every post about chipping cars.

You are both to blame realy for this! You will both scare off new members at this rate. I hope to god that both of you will not get band from this forum! The experience that you have between you is overwhemling, been a great help to other members and would be a huge loss to this site and the people on it! Can you both call it a day for chist sake. Why don't you both meet and have a drink and talk in person about your differances instead of on here!

Sorry if I have upset either of you, but this is how alot of people on here feal!

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Posted By: Rhys
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 08:33








I agree, think we've heared enough. This isn't the place to have a private dissagrement. Can we get back to the subject of the thread please..?


..or close it.

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J Reg Saab 900i 16v
'63 Ford Anglia 105e deluxe
R reg Honda PC50 moped..

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Posted By: paul325i
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 08:37
Erm if you look above it's ended guys...

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Posted By: orkboss
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 11:14

Chippeduk so you don't make the chips yourself, just starting out as a trader.



Posted By: dave 328
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 11:25

no he doesn't actually make the chips as this requires special delicate machines/tools, he programs them.

I doubt you'll find any company that makes and also programs chips.



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328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace


Posted By: chippeduk
Date Posted: 09-December-2004 at 11:49

I have a programmer who developes the maps that i then programme onto blank chips.

This is the same way people like superchips work.

 




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