Project ’Weight Loss’ M3 Part 2
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Topic: Project ’Weight Loss’ M3 Part 2
Posted By: 215m3
Subject: Project ’Weight Loss’ M3 Part 2
Date Posted: 17-November-2004 at 12:24
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The car has now been stripped and all that remains inside is the dash and headliner, soon to come out. I have removed the sound deadening with a heat gun and scrapper and found it quite easy, apart from toasted fingers!
I have the seats, harnesses and brackets ready to put in. I need to weld in the harness fixing points before being able to used the car as the M3 seats have the seatbelt fixing integrated. The shoulder fixing will be temporary as i will have these fixed to the cage eventually. The wheels have been sourced, but may take 3 months to be made due to production. I have chosen Tean Dynamics Pro Racer 1.2 in 17*8" so i can fit 235/40's all round. I'm getting 2 sets, so one can have R888's and the other a grippy road set for the Ring trip and wet trackdays. I have chosen the larger wheel so 6 pots can be fitted underneath. I also plan to follow Ian in his footsteps of a high output 2.5L, eventually. A new T45 cage will be welded in and am hopefully seeing a chap next week to discuss what pattern of tubing and cost. CF airbox and A-N will also be added and have also managed to get a set of 48 TB's off ebay for £200. All parts of the interior are for sale and have managed to sell the gear lever gator and knob and the handbrake cover(which are items i didn't think would sell, but help with the budgeting). The seats will be available soon. 
The car came with neg top mounts, lowered eibach springs with koni shocks and a 2 piece exhasut manifold. The rear bushed have been replaced with polyflex versions and a 1.9 Z3 lever has been fitted with all new bushes. Next task is the seats and harnesses. Then the cage. Once this has been completed, the TB's Airbox fitting and A-N will be worked on. Once the wheels arrive the brakes can be sorted. Got my work cut out until the Easter Ring trip. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
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Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 17-November-2004 at 12:52
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Toby don't fit the 48mm throttles to the "small" head.
Or enlarge the ports. ------------- E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg..... |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 27-November-2004 at 13:11
an update........... drivers seat is in. Harness fixings points have been welded in. The 2 rear ones are temporary as they will be attached to the cage, when fitted. The seat brackets work fine, but only give the seat one upright position and will need to fab it. The front of the bracket needed to be sawn down as it would not let the seat lower that much.
The last weight with the bolted cage and both front leather recaro seats and sound deadening the car weighed 1140kg. With one sparco seat and harness, sound deadening removed it weighed the same. It maybe the fuel as i has a 1/4 of a tank that made it weigh 1140kg, which is exactly the same. I does, however feel so much quicker. Picks up quicker acrass the whole rev range and zips round to the redline faster as well. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Jonners
Date Posted: 27-November-2004 at 14:53
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and don't forget the other benefit of lightening (that people often overlook) - the car will feel so much better when you're exploiting the handling through the corners - will change direction more easily and so forth - also, braking will improve and by lightening the sprung weight you've stiffened the suspension
keep the updates coming - would love to do what you're doing one day... |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 27-November-2004 at 15:58
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I've found that. I was out about 4 and it was wet and becuase it's lighter the car seemed to break away sooner.
I've enjoyed doing what i have done so far. It's slow work when other commitments take priority. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: stephenperry
Date Posted: 27-November-2004 at 16:15
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takes a brave man to butcher an e30 m3, at least youve got another more civilised one for everyday use have you got any pics of your nova? i havent seen an sr in years! ------------- 2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto 1983 Ford Sierra XR4i 2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118 1999 BMW 323Ci 1995 BMW 318i SE 1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS 1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX 1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX 1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL 1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 27-November-2004 at 18:11
I'll pm u a pic, it is a 1983 A reg, one owner from new(my grandpa's) 72k miles and unmolested, in pastal yellow. conditon is 85% ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
stephenperry wrote:Posted By: MONO
Date Posted: 28-November-2004 at 16:40
LOL!! A stock Nova!! I havent seen one of those for years either... most of the Chavs have snapped em up and attached a snow plough on the front Lowered it so much all the chav mates have to jump out evertime they go over speed humps. and the standard big bore exhaust to decrease all back pressure ------------- 
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 04-February-2005 at 16:25
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Update on the project.
The headliner is out and passenger seat in., sparco suade steering wheel, elec window switchs relocated to centre of dash. WB02 has arrived from oz... 
Brakes arrived from Ian, cheers 
Pads are from Endless The head is off and on it's way to be ported on the inlet side. It has been pressure tested and was fine. The inlet side was extremely clean. The head will be away for about 2 weeks. change of manufacturer Nova pics, for those who asked 
http://photobucket.com/albums/v54/215m3/Vauxhall%20Nova%20SR/ - More pics here ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 04-February-2005 at 16:34
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Just thought the other day when I repaired my front indicator that replacing the bumpers with GRP would be a big weight saving as well. That bugger is quite heavy!
Sure it withstands slight impacts better that a GRP, but who want's to crash? ------------- E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg..... |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 04-February-2005 at 17:02
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I had mine off as well and note what you mean. as and when funds allow i may get the lighter ones. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 05-February-2005 at 17:28
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Toby,
Did you get your 25mm master for your brakes ???? Your car is comming along well, are you going to keep the same colour or are you going to spice it up. BTW, my track car is now street legal. Went for a blast in it today, sure did turn a few heads. The re -mapping has sorted the problems I was having, but is now pulling strong. I still haven`t decided about Easter ring trip, as may consider going later in the year. Keep the updates coming, Regards,
Dave. ------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 05-February-2005 at 18:35
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Dave
Colour will remain diamant schwarz at the mo. I bet you got some looks in your trackcar, the noise as well as the decals. The garage that offered to do the work have taken the head off and is mid frieght to Moufang to work his magic on the inlet side. No larger valves as this would mean shorter valves and it all gets messy regarding cams, shims etc, i'll wait and get the full MS works done when i can afford it. I have the brakes but when Kevin, the garage owner, said i could bring my car over i took it to his old garage where i am not allowed to work on it due to insurance probs, but could if i had taken it to his new garage. Anyway will get there eventually and Colin, aka 2002evo, is going to help get the a-n set up and wired it in as he is comfortable with this as he has just do his 2002. Just need to find a set of 17's as i have a set of tyres for them and think the M5 wheels will jut out past the arches. Fancy another set of Compo TH2's in white. Think you should go to the Ring at Easter and in June!!! ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Alan F
Date Posted: 05-February-2005 at 18:36
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Dave,
I'm not surprised you turned a few heads, even an M3 owners jaw would drop if you pulled up along side at the lights in your track car :-) I'm also leaving it a little later than Easter for my next Ring trip. Toby, Car sounds like it is taking shape nicely, look forward to seeing it. Alan 
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Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 05-February-2005 at 19:52
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Alan, I just think its to early with the weather, and being the first open day if open will be very busy. I would prefer to go later in the year if their is an S14 meet again. Its one place you need to give respect. Get it wrong big time and the pine box becons. Anyway nice to hear from you again. Toby, don`t rush your car, take your time. Grow with the car as you do your mod`s. Dave. ------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 05:15
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Alan,you would walk right past it at a show as it's a little rough around the edges.
Dave, i do intend to grow with the car, if i can get 230 bhp effectively (i.e because i have dropped the weight to 1100kg, 29.5mm inlet on head, 2 piece manifold, miltek, 48's, CF airbox and a-n i'm hoping for 230 bhp) This will do me for the time being. Just taking out the all the interior weight made the car feel more responsive. It now has the ability to stop with the brakes should inspire a little more confidence. The handling seems pretty good and has adjustadle dampers so may need to play around with the settings for a while. It has eibach springs and koni shock, with neg top mounts for reference. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Coasting
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 06:59
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This looks like a really interesting project. Am I right in saying that you're going to be looking at a power to weight bhp ratio of about 209 bhp per tonne? Thats a mere 9 less than an E46 M3 - it's going to be a seriously fast E30! Building a track car is something I have always wanted to do but my mechanical skills start and stop with lifting the bonnet and checking the oil - so its highly inpractical for me to try it! What do you think your total outlay will have been by the time you've finished (including the car)? ------------- 
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Posted By: BMG M3
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 07:58
Buying one where someone has already paid out and done the hard work would be a lot easier,not to mention cheaper ,if building your own car isn't part of the fun of doing it. www.oakfields.com has an interesting looking E30 M3 track car for sale . 240bhp, a roll cage that looks pretty similar to the early BTCC and DTM cars , lightweight bumpers and hood, plumbed in fire extinguisher. Moseley Motorsport has a few race M3's for sale also . Dave, Road registering the car for the Ring, or ......? Toby, Keep the pics coming,but not of that horrid Nova ! 
What size discs are they you have there ? Unless the weather is really bad a week before Easter , I'm going . |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 08:43
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Coasting....I can do a little of the work, but have found a garage keen on my project and we have struck a little deal. The total cost so far including the purchase of the car, sale of it's unwanted parts and items purchased is £7,900. This should be about it to get it onto the track, apart from a few odds and sods, head gasket and bolts.
Brian... no pics for a while as the heads in germany, once it's back i will post a few more. The discs are 325x28mm. Monoblock calipers. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Coasting
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 09:39
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That seems very reasonable! I'll be following this this interest from now on (I have been to the Oakfields site too and the white M3 is very tempting but as I quite like my wife I think I'll give it a miss this side of Valentines Day...) -------------
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Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 15:40
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Brian, yes, track car now road legal, taxed, MOT, insured ( mods declared )the lot. One of the reasons is to take it to the ring, but also to get more use out of it then just track days, otherwise it ends up a really expensive toy. Well I suppose its that all ready. I`m wanting to look at other events, Hill climbs, sprints, etc and am also a little fed up of putting it on and off the trailer everywhere. The induction noise on the road is awesome, but am expecting a few tugs from boys in blue.
Toby, £7900, not bad so far, does this include your CF air box and AN ? but I fear you will double that once you start your serious engine mods. These engines are not the cheapest to modify. I`ve had a quote for cams and buckets to get my engine breathing and reving up to 9000rpm, and power is expected to be 300 to 320BHP. I`ve decided I`m going to run it as it is for now, and look to do this next mod come winter 2005. The Alpina is under going a full rebuild at the moment so need to concentrate on that.
------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 06-February-2005 at 17:08
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Dave
That does include the CF & a-n. I know the bottom end and MS top end will cost a few quid, but will on time get it done. I have sold a few items from the car as well mind which has reduced the cost. If i sell more items then the price comes down. I have the bbs 3 piece wheels for sale as well at the mo, so when these sell it will reduce the total cost, in theory anyway. Your right in it being an expensive toy but you only live once, but you can now take it for a spin should the urge take you. That's part of the reason i want to keep mine road legal, so i can drive to meets and trackdays without the expense of trailers etc. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:08
More parts have arrived.....
Just love the ///M detail on the throttle cable support 
The kit comes with a new brake fluid res, all attachments, clips etc. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Coasting
Date Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:10
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All looking very good! The ///M detail is indeed a nice touch. -------------
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Posted By: Robbie Bradford
Date Posted: 08-February-2005 at 20:13
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That airbox is a work of art, as is the throttle cable support, can't wait to start lavishing my machine with some carbon upgrades like this below............if i win the lottery
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 09-February-2005 at 17:06
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Ian on page one, but have posted the CF airbox on this page above ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 15:14
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A update on progress
29.5mm ports on the inlet side 
The head was sent to a chap in germany called Moufang for porting so i could fit the larger 48 TB's and larger CF airbox. Moufang discovered the last time the head was off someone had put oversized valve seats, not OEM, but not all the seats were changed. 
The inlet side valve seats had little meat left on them so it was recommended not to change the seats but go with larger valves. The choice was either 38mm shrick or 38.5mm M 5 valves. I left it to Moufang as he knows eventually i want to go the MS route and fit what will work nect time. M5 valves have been used. 
Exhaust sizes were retained due to finances. 
The head has been planned to the max and therefore only a max of 0.4mm could be planned this time. It means a higher compression and will need some adjustable cam sprockets to make sure the cam timing is perfect. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Coasting
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 15:20
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Excellent latest pictures there. I'm finding this very interesting, despite the fact I am the least mechanically minded person I know and I can't really understand a word of it! But it's got me hooked in to the thread so keep it coming! -------------
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Posted By: Torch Str8 6
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 15:32
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project really starting to take shape now :) ive been silently observing over the weeks with the power to weight ratio it will run rings round E46 M3s and even some std CSLs ill bet, due to the handling nature of the E30 being the best M3 they ever did to date cant wait for some video footage ------------- Summer Project on its way...... |
Posted By: BMG M3
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 15:40
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Few questions
1,Did you start with the 195 or 215 head 2,Did they fit new valve guides 3,Did you look into anyone in the UK to do the work 4,The mating surface looks,like the rest of the head, to have been bead blasted or similar after the head has been skimmed.Just curious to know why they didn't leave it machined finished. 5,Are you still on track ( no pun ) to be at the Ring for Easter
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 16:01
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Brian i have sent you an email
It's a 195 head. Although there are people in the UK it was as cheap to send to germany. I plan the MS 2.5 route eventually and will get moufang to build it as John's engine is strong and reliable and we've both witnessed this. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Adrian H
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 17:03
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Hi Toby, It's nice nice to know that I am not the only mad one round here. I decided to build a 2.5 last year and what started out as a 2.5 with mild mods such as cams etc., has turned into a full MS 2.5 very similar to John's. I'm frightened to work out how much I have spent but I'm hoping the grin factor will be worth it I started off with a 215 head so my inlets were already matched for 48 throttle bodies but I had to get the ports enlarged from 28mm to 29.5mm and also the throats were made larger. I have gone with full MS setup, shim under etc. and also had to get some very mild porting on the exhaust side because the MS valves I'm using are 32.5mm instead of the normal 32mm. I have had to go Group A bottom end which means some original parts I bought have never been used, if you are looking for anything, such as oil pump. I bought a new Evo 3 oil pump from the dealer then found out I had to go with Grp A DTM so it has never been used. Just a thought if you still need parts to complete your engine. Keep us posted with your progress because it is interesting reading. All the best Adrian |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 04-March-2005 at 17:57
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Adrisn
thanks for the comments. At the moment the bottom end is untouched and plan to go the whole hog eventually. John has advised me the engine, if set up right should get about 250/260 which added to the loss of weight will pull well. When the heads back it all hands on to get the brakes, airbox, an and wb02 fitted before 22/3 for the ring trip. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 05-March-2005 at 04:03
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Toby, Head pic`s look good. I`m glad to hear you are on track to complete in time for easter. I`ve decided not to go at easter but wait for the s14 meet later in the year. Looking at the weather we are having, i would suggest taking your ski`s along. Jamie said you were getting bits for your rebuild, its good to know a guy who has a similar intrest, and is familar with the E30 M3. If we go over for the S14 meet I may see if he wants to come along. Good luck with the rest of the rebuild and look forward to seeing that car soon. cheers,
Dave. ------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: Karlp
Date Posted: 05-March-2005 at 05:23
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I am finding this very intertesting as I have just bought an M3 for track / racing. I am doing the stripping and suspension at present but will be doing the engine next winter. Forgive my ignorance - what is the MS route - so that I can plan ahead.
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Posted By: Adrian H
Date Posted: 05-March-2005 at 05:36
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Karl, The MS stands for Motorsport ie. using BMW Motorsport parts, the parts they used on their Group A cars running in the DTM at the time and also other championships. HTH Adrian |
Posted By: Adrian H
Date Posted: 05-March-2005 at 05:56
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Toby, I have replied to your PM. I am planning on a trip to the Ring this year but Easter is just too early for me so please keep me informed of future visits over there. It will give me time to drop the engine into my car and get some miles on it because this engine is all new top to bottom, and also get the Alpha N tuned, which I know will mean two to three times on the rollers until I get it exactly how I want it. Adrian |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 18-March-2005 at 13:32
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Well another little update.
Got the car back from the garage as i have kindly been offered the services of someone to put my head back on etc. I have fab'ed the PS bracket and relocated this further forward and out towards the wing in preperation for the airbox. I have drained the brakes so i can fit the 25mm master cylinder and relocate the resevior. I have test fitted the brake kit supplied by Ian and fitted the 16" wheels and perfect clearence on the inner wheel face by 10mm and from the face of the wheel by about 10mm. No spacers needed just bolted on. I did replace the bolts for studs to make it easier to put the wheel and disc on. 
I'm please with the finish and look of the brakes and hope they work as well as they look. Suppose Ian will give us an update when he is back from his Rallying this wekend. New rear grooved discs on the back as well. I have removed the anti rollbar rubbers, but have been unable to get if back together as the new rubeers seem a little large. I need to replace the lower wishbones as well. Has anyone replaced the bonnet bracket with bonnet pins, if so what version did you use. As i'm goind to remove the bonnet when putting the head back on. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 19-March-2005 at 12:52
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Fitted new master cylinder, 25mm version which was supplied by C3 and came with the replacement metal hose which replaces the old hose(different fitment) and goes from the rear outlet to the abs unit, albeit it was stright and need bending into shape.
The PS bottle and the brake fluid resevior have been relocated as in the picture. 90 deg joints have been used from the master cylinder to clear the airbox when it goes on. These, the hose, which need cutting to length and the ATE resevior were all with the airbox kit. The bracket for the PS is just reversed and a little metal cut off, then bent slightly so it fits on the reverse side of the airbox bracket. 
 ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 19-March-2005 at 13:16
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Looks god Toby, but have you noticed that someone has nicked the head of that car ------------- E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg..... |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 19-March-2005 at 14:43
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I had but they ported it for me so i'm happy with that. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 19-March-2005 at 19:07
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Toby,
Jamie dropped the parts off this evening, ready for the weekend. The timing chain tensioner looks different but will check it out in the morning. If the incorrect one no problem as I have a new one on the shelf. You need to remove your air flow meter.
Ive pinned my bonnet and suggest you look for pins with completly round heads as it will help locating when closing. Only pin it at the front and use the standard bonnet latches for the rear. Don`t drill any holes till you have made sure you have the correct bnnet pins. Took the track car out on the road today. Absoutly awesome. Shift light at 8200rpm change gear and back in the middle of the power band at 6000RPM. Am tempted to put the shorter diff 3.91 in as it will make acceleration even quicker, but will be a pain on long trips. That`s when to use the trailer. Regards, Dave
------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 20-March-2005 at 12:20
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Dave
I was looking at pins, and have only seen the flat faced pins. i'll have a look for some. the lower diff will make for more uncomfortable driving. wait until after the June ring trip. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 21-March-2005 at 07:30
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Toby,
I`m already running a 3.73 and its bad on the highway. Quick acceleration though, but would be an absolute pig to drive to the Ring with. Heaven forbid the 3.91. ------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 29-March-2005 at 13:56
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The latest update
Thanks to the maverlous skills of Dave my head is back on and the engines ticks over perfectly. We test fitted the head and the 4th piston was a little close to the valves, so Dave scraped away the ridge by t6he pocket on the face of the piston, giving us enough clearence. We started at 9am and by 7pm the car was running. It rained most of the day so i'm glad the bonnet was off and had it in the garage to work on. The valve clearences need to be 0.3-0.35mm for the first 500-1000 miles and then checked and then changed to 0.28-0.32mm. There was only one valve which was above these tollorences as we did not have the correct shim, but is at 0.4mm. It can be heard tapping as well. I'll be changing the shims once the valve seats have been run in. When we came to synchronise the TB's the 'T' bar that hold the 2 arms which open the butterfies was slightly bent and we were unable to get the TB's sync'ed. This has since been changed and sounds better, but now need to be sync'ed. Just helping Dave fit the head and getting the car running i have learnt so much more than just being able to change spark plugs. Once the valves have been checked the airbox, a-n and wb02 will be going on and will take the car to Dastek to set it up. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 09-April-2005 at 04:40
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Brief update
The car has done 500+ miles and have checked the valve clearences. They were all much the same and only need to change 3 shims. I Knew 2 gaps were slightly wider than should have been but Dave did not have any that would have fitted with the right clearence. The car Has also had the brakes properly vacuum bleed to get rid of all the micro bubbles and boy do they work.I keep coming up short of junctions by about 10 meters. I need to get to trust them. I was at Colins last evening/night alias 2002sportevo and was there to set up the TB's. Well they were out quite a bit and one could feel it as the engine hessitated at a constant 3000 revs. All was going well with the vacuums starting to line up and then we lost the idle click on the TPS. After 5 mins we took the adjustable shaft that connects the throttle linkage to the tb's spindles. This was not shutting enough to get idle. We adjusted the bottom position twisted the spindle right in. Started her up and we were gobsmacked it ran almost perfect. Adjusted the vacuums between them all and idle to 850-900. We'll the car just purrs now. What a difference! It is now ready for the CF/a-n which will be fitted this weekend. I'm also going to wire in the narrowband signal into the techedge and ECU as advised by Martin. Colin has the wiring diagrams for this. The drive home from Colins was superb, twisty back road. Sitting relaxed in the sparco seat, hands lightly gripping the suade SW, gently guiding the card round the bends it felt awesome and just at home. What a car the E30 M3 is. No other M3 will do, it is the original and best! ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: M3CSL
Date Posted: 09-April-2005 at 14:57
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Toby Who done your brakes? My pedal seems to be getting softer. Paul |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 09-April-2005 at 15:19
Paul a chap just near Livingston bleed them for me, Stuart McLaren. If you want his number let me know. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 09-April-2005 at 15:38
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Managed to get out at 4pm to do a little more work on the car. My first objective was to fit the filter and inner CF funnel.
The fan as fitted standard 
The filter housing is bolted to the CF funnel on the inside and slots neatly into the vacant position. The radiator holds this in position, but have fixed the top of the funnel left by the blanking cover when it was removed. Behind the front bumper 
In the engine compartment. You will just be able to see the screw top right of the funnel. 
The standard fan postision inhibits the filter housing and lower funnel. The fan is unbolted and rotated 90 deg so the brakets fit on the side housing. The bottom bolt is fixed to a bracket(hidden by the cross beam) which is fixed at the top where the fan was previous fixed. You will be able to see this bracket just to the left of the filter. 
Quite a neat install altogether, with just enough room. That's realy the most awkward part. I hope to continue tomorrow, weather permitting. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 15:49
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Finished the rest of the airbox and alpha-n this afternoon and got the car running. I just need to now put the wb02 in and will run the narrow band simulated.
I need to review the brake res as it's touching the airbox and this will vibrate and move when the engine is revved. Almost there just need to map it and off we go! ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 16:19
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Cool! Like the airfilter. I didn't realise they sell like this now. Looking forward to see your car in flesh. ------------- E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg..... |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 10-April-2005 at 17:35
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Uwe
John had a sample one on S14.net ages ago and as part of the GB they were available as additions to the package. I don't think he has any left so was really a one off for the GB purchases. It means the bumper and grill need to come off to clean it. Just need to wire in the WB02, which after speaking with Colin on the phone tonight is done via the X3 block in the a-n loom. There's also a block for shift lights as well. I'm pleased with the car as it stands and once mapped will get back with a figure. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Simon325i sport
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 04:38
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Was just searching through the archives, and noticed this post near the locking point! Is it going to be updated anymore? Been a great read. ------------- 
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 13:31
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Ian, i was going to fit the new exhaust and coilovers, plus new lower wish boane track rod ends and ARB link. I will also fit the powerflex parts to the wishbones, in the New Year whilst on holiday, but the bl**dy cold has stopped me. I'm going to get it in the garage and remove the sunroof and weld in a new piece, a few spot welds a day to stop the roof from wrapping.
I'm glad it's been a good read, has been good fun as well. I just wish it was your cars colour. Oh and a rollcage as well this year, if all goes well. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: BMG M3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 13:40
Is it just the pic, or is your oil cooler rather curved ? Hopefully see you and the car at the Ring for Easter Toby. 
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Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 13:51
I was thinking that as well. ------------- E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg..... |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 13:55
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Yep it is so it catches all the cool air under the bumper. I have a spare that i moght put on, but as it don't leak i'll leave it.
I hope to be at the Ring. I tried to find dates of full weekends after easter but none available at the moment. I am looking for a diff as well 3.64 or 3.46 if anyone has one they are not using. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: trackM3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 14:19
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 14:24
not the weather, but the cold and flu in me. i have sinus problems which has caused an infection and i can't get rid of the cold and cough. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: trackM3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 14:28
A Pack of Blackcurrent Tunes will do the job 55p from all good chemist's then off to the Garage and get it finished ! 
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 14:30
Tried them, lemsip max blackcurrent powder, night nurse(did not help me sleep), echinacea and finally antibiotics from the Dr. had it since 30/12 and feed up with it. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: trackM3
Date Posted: 12-January-2006 at 16:55
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 14-January-2006 at 13:04
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An update
I have removed both front struts today. To get the wishbone removed on the passenger side the exhaust manifold inpeeded access so i removed the ARB and this made the job so much easier. Both wishbones are off. The track rod ends are so stuck on i'll get the garage to replace these. While the ARB is off i'll paint the parts where the paint has flaked off as well as the brackets. The tie rod arms will get repainted. Along with the wishbone bracket and new poly bushes put in place. I need to remove the studs from the old hub as i am replacing the hubs as well. All the nuts and bolts will be replaced with new parts. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215DMX
Date Posted: 14-January-2006 at 15:10
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Toby, why don't you replace the track rods/ tie rods
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 14-January-2006 at 15:30
Dave i am but i tried to remove them today and biy were they stuck on firm. I'll get the garage to replace them. I also have the tie rods as well. All the parts that have a ball joint are being replaced. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 15-January-2006 at 13:19
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I have today removed all the gubbing for the electric roof and will start to remove the casing soon. I still have the wiring to remove and half of the wiring from under the steering wheel to see where they go to.
Cleaned up the ARB, ARB brackets, wishbone bracket and trackrod end/ wishbone bracket the strut bolts too and coated them with some black smoothrite. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 17-January-2006 at 13:39
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As i am waiting for all the new nuts, bolts and washers to put my suspension all back together, the angle grinder came out to play.
I cut out the main section of the sunroof housing. Intervals around the housing there ws additional plates tack welded. I drilled out the tacks and ground off the weld to the main part of the shell. I then used the heat gun to soften the bonding. I thought this was going to be the hard part. To my suprise it mostly pulled off. There was additional material to grind at the sides of the sunroof opening and along the front. i have left about 5mm all round the edge until i have the roof back in place and fixed. There is also an additional support running between both b pillars and have left this in place until the rolcage gets installed. This it what i removed and it weighed quite a bit 15kgs at a guest. I recon about 25kgs in all for the panel and workings. 
I removed the inner skin of the sunroof panel, which will get welded back in place. I was suprised at the amount of rust between the 2 parts. 
I'll get the sunroof blasted before i get it welded. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Simon325i sport
Date Posted: 17-January-2006 at 16:53
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The rust on that inner panel is scary...am I right in thinking this is the part you can see when you slide the roof open, and where the drain holes are located? -------------
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 17-January-2006 at 18:40
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Simon....No the second picture is from the sunroof panel that fits inside the third picture.
In the third picture the middle part that is black was covered in the foam that was soaking as mentioned in another panel. There was no rust on the area that channels the water down the drain holes. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: neo1
Date Posted: 18-January-2006 at 15:38
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Do you have a pic of the inside of the roof will all that removed ?
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 18-January-2006 at 16:49
I will do at the weekend Neo ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: neo1
Date Posted: 19-January-2006 at 17:02
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Excellent Toby thanks
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 24-January-2006 at 18:10
Pic of the internal after the sunroof shrouding has been removed.
 ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Adrian H
Date Posted: 24-January-2006 at 18:16
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Toby, I don't know if it's just me, but I can't see any pic ? Adrian |
Posted By: Adrian H
Date Posted: 24-January-2006 at 18:24
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Sorry Toby, ignore that last message, my computer was on a go slow. It took a little while for them to download. I see them now. Adrian |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 25-January-2006 at 15:20
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Finally got the front suspension all back together. I replaced the ARB and link bars to the struts. You may notice that the track rod ends look old and that's becuase i could not remove it in the garage and will get it removed on saturday.
The new hub with studs 
This picture also shows the ducting. When i bought the car there was 2 holes cut in the inner cowling. I bought an airfilter attachment which has on long circular lip about an 1" on one side. With this side through the cowling i used 100mm diameter ally ducting and bent it to shape. This size is needed to fit over the front ducts. 
This next picture shows the strut and Ground Control camber plate. I have set it as far back in the tower for maximum caster and in as far as possible for maximum camber. I'll get it aligned and corner weighed before my 1st trackday in march. 
This next shot shows the disc and caliper in place 
I set the perches to 28mm from the bottom of the thread which finishes when the yellow paint starts. With the wheels on the car and the car on the ground, i measured from the centre of the wheel arch to a fixed point on the wheel and was 1-2mm out. Once the rear bumpstops arrive, which will be the first week in feb, i'll get on with the rears. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 25-January-2006 at 15:22
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To add......the coilovers seemed to weigh slightly less than the standard shocks, but they weren't weighed on scales just hand balanced. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 25-January-2006 at 15:39
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Good work Toby! (especially for a chippy )
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 25-January-2006 at 16:04
cheers. i've enjoyed the most of it. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: neo1
Date Posted: 25-January-2006 at 16:22
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Cheers for the sunroof pictures Toby nice one.... -------------
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Posted By: gary
Date Posted: 26-January-2006 at 11:11
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Looking good mate. Keep it going
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 29-January-2006 at 04:25
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Spent all day at a friends garage yesterday. Removed the old miltek exhaust. Drilled a hole for the bung for the wbo2 sensor on the new exhaust. It is louder but also has made a noticeable difference to the response of the throttle. It became more crisp.
Track rod ends replaced and just did the toe by eye as the garage does not have any tracking equipement. Although i drove home slowly, the car did not pull to the left or right and no vibrations. Removed he wires for the check control diplay and also the wire for the sunroof. This one simply just unplugged using one small clip. For the sunroof we were going to just weld back in the old panel. After a few minutes it became apparent it was going to be a pain to fit. We just go a thin sheet, cut to size. Ground down the lip on the underside of the opening. Then spot welded every 1/2" - 1". Then buffed this down and used some fibreglass to cover the weld. I need to next sand this down and then fill in more of the space. I will finally but come cataline (this is what it sound like the guy was talking about) which wll go over the top of the fibreglass and is waterproof and paintable. I know this is not as strong as a one piece roof, but a rollcage will be fitted eventually. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 15:23
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The suspension is now all on. The rear boot tank removed and the filler pipe has been trimmed down to one pipe with no Y split. I have removed the carbon canaster from up in the rear passenger side wheel arch. Vented one of the pipes to the bracket vacated by the canaster. I also had a new breather pipe attachment on the filler neck and routed the breather and relief vent pipes through the back panel and out the vacated breather pipe hole for the boot tank.
Because the boot tank has been removed the fuel guage and distance remaining on the OBC don't work, i have cut the wires back to the loom and soldered them together to connect the loop and the guage works again. Took the car out for a little test and boy does it turn in well now with the GC top mounts. I did not push her hard as it needs setting up. This will be done on tuesday as the vehicle is off to get cornerwieghed toe, camber and caster set. She's almost done, just a cage to get. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: Karlp
Date Posted: 18-February-2006 at 15:36
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Toby You may find the fuel gauge is not accurate. I believe the sender units are in series and hence the resistance of both senders is required to give an accurate reading. Karl |
Posted By: John-M3
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 11:54
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Hey Toby, dont bother welding the sunroof back in unless you dont care about making waves in the roof. did you remove the entire sunroof carrier? it looks like that is not all? my carrier was a lot longer than yours... Here is what I did: -- removed the entire sunroof subframe/carrier and the sunroof. installed a CF sunroof panel. when it gets repainted it will look like there was never a sunroof on the car. painted from the top and bottom side. this mod saves about 18-20 kg of weight at the highest point of the car. quite worthwhile and almost makes up for half the cage. my weld in gr. A heigo cell weighs 36 kg. -- the interior is completely stripped (you saw that last year already) -- the hood/fenders/front and rear bumpers/rear wing etc. are all CF. that is a lot of weight right there. particulary the bumpers. removing these really lowers the polar moment of the car. -- the weld in cell picks up the front and rear strut towers, the diff, the axle pickups, the roof and so on. I did not like the OMP stuff which is pre-assembled and often does not fit correctly without additional work. therefore I got a Heigo, nothing is pre-assembled, but all fits very well. you can tell the difference right away. I also have the car on a JIG to prevent any possible deformation during welding. Since the car has a few ring miles on it, I also want to make sure that nothing has shifted as the metal works around a bit on the track. -- I used H&R 22 / 18 mm anti roll bars last year on toyo R888 R-tires and this combo turned out very well. Im going to stick with it, even for the new suspension. I think it goes in the right direction. On the DTM cars, they ran 27 / 22 mm solid bars (before the hollow bar era) on slicks. That looks like a LOT of front end stiffness, but it makes sense after a while. Of course tire is important. This would not make sense on a street tire. -- I run a 75% motorsport differential. That made a big difference. It has a very positive feel and makes you more aggressive on the track. -- At easter I should have my new DTM 6 speed installed. The gearing ratios are awesome. I cant wait to run this. For starters I will stick with 3.73 rear end as it is the recommended ratio using a 1.92 circumference tire on the Ring, and Im using a 1.90 circumference tire. needless to say 1st gear will do 100 kmh, so that means in klostertal I can downshift into 1st if I like :) or at Wehrseifen... -- for aerodynamics, im not done yet, but I went ahead and got the flossman splitter/undertray. it seals off the entire bottom side of the engine. I may find out that I need much more rear end down force. we are working on a rear difusor for my car without relocating the exhaust system. relocating exhaust would be ideal, but Im willing to do a compromise here at this point. there are also winglets for the flossman setup, so I may add those, but that is secondary. my only concern right now is that Im going to be finished by easter. this will really suck if I cant make it to easter, that would be the first time in many years. If I cant make it with my car, Id come up to give FREE driver instruction, assuming anyone wanted me to sit in and give driver tips. But if I cant drive myself, or give any laps, then standing around in the parking lot would get a bit boring for me. Lets hope it doesnt come to this, I have 8 weeks left. cheers John
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 14:29
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John
I did remove all the sunroof carrier. I had a thin sheet tack welded tight so it follows the curve of the roof. We tack welded every 3-4 inches to start with and used cold water on a rag. Once this was done, then we tack welded between until it was every 1/2 - 1" gap. The roof has not waved at all. I woll fill with fibre glass ans finish with a paintable filler, thin coat. It too should look like no sunroof when it gets a respray when i can afford it. My interior needs tidying, but when it gets a respray. I plan to get fibre glass bumpers and have a fibre glass bonnet on the way. With this bonnet i was thinking about the windscreen eashers and might try and fab the 405 washers that attach to the wiper arm. I may do the CF front wings. I was thinking when the cage goes in, whenever that is, to put in a CF dash instead of the OEM one, but UWe has suggested just to remove the internal rubber pasrt. I'd need to look into this. I am on the look out for a 3.73 diff. I'm sticking with standard ARBs and if i find i have too much roll i'll get higher rating springs, 550 fr & 275 r at the moment. Your cars sounding awesome, especially the 6 speed box, 100kmh in first! What weight do you think your will be now, 1050kg? I hope you get it ready for easter, if not you can passenger with me for some instructing, if you trust me. see you there. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: UweM3
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 14:33
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I am up for some tutorial laps as well! ------------- E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg..... |
Posted By: foxworth
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 14:49
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Gents, excellent write ups a good thread. Any chance of some more pics? My car is half road half track at the moment, so once i sort out a daily driver i will take it that step further, so real interested in what youre up to!! cheers |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 19-February-2006 at 18:04
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Foxworth
what additional pics do you want? I started this project because of my passion for the E30 M3 and trackdays. I can do some maintanence at home and thought this would help others and me of course. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: foxworth
Date Posted: 20-February-2006 at 04:42
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just a few pics from the outside etc would be nice - no rush! cheers |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 05-March-2006 at 04:10
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Well the car had it's first track outing since the new suspension, extra weight loss in the rear tank and sunroof have been removed.
It handled like a dream, turn in was superb, with 3.5 deg of neg camber, 3.5 deg neg caster and a touch of toe in. Ride height slightly lower at the back, which is apparently how the DTM cars ran. East Fortune, is a cracking little track and much more fun than Knockhill. Knockhills slopes kill it for me. At EF you can keep your speed up and there is plenty of run off, if needs be. I'm 85% happy with the brake set up now, with only a slight bit of judder, that was curred by pressing harder, no fade all day and i used the brakes hard. It took 2 to 3 laps to warm up the yoko R's, that i was not pleased with at Oulton Park, but running them 23 psi cold they never let me down all day with any heat issues, but it was cold 5 deg C. Myself, Steve, 535d with tweeks and Stuart, compact with 3ltr M3 had a great day alround. Pics coming soon. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: trackM3
Date Posted: 05-March-2006 at 05:57
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Toby glad to here the car's coming together, mine just needs a bit more track time as i'm struggling for a bit more grip from the old road tyres (suspension fine tuning) off to book Brands for the 29th all the best Martin ------------- Oops i went and got an E36 ! |
Posted By: John-M3
Date Posted: 05-March-2006 at 11:36
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Hi Toby, sounds good, you are already tracking the car again? We are buried in snow here in Munich, I can almost not get my DD car out of the garage today. got 50 cm of snow in the last day. My car is still in pieces, its on a Jig right now to finalize all the welds now. this is a crmo cage and all the welds are being done twice, first weld, then again at lower heat to stress relieve. End of next week it goes for painting (inside and out). Then it gets put back together. All the carbon stuff is here now too. My engine is out and I saw the large oil pan was starting to develop a leak, so I will put it on the stand and reseal it. Then the new gearbox has to go in. I dont think I can get the new suspension in and tune it as well in time for easter, so I think Im going to have to leave that off. As it is Im going to have to take first few laps easy just to make sure we got all the bolts tight :) not that I loose a rear axle or anything :) John
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 05-March-2006 at 13:33
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Cheers guys.
John it's the first and last trackday until may sometime, probably and oulton park trip. John mine is off for a cage in the next week or so and will be getting seem welded as well. This adds 25% extra stiffness over and above the cage. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 19-March-2006 at 13:34
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The rear fuel cell came out the other week, but this ment the reading of the fuel gauge was off. Dave advised to take out the rear cell guage and hang it in the car to get the proper reading on the guage.
Instead of this my mechanic recommend i get a resistor and find the resistance of the rear cell guage. It's 34.8 ohms so i have wired in a 36 ohms resistor and fuel guage is working as normal now. The resistor cosy 9p. cheap fix. I also need a new or replacement main fuel tank as i filled it up tonight for it's trip to get the cage and was spilling out when full. Maybe need to look into a fuel cell in the boot. Oh well. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 02-June-2006 at 13:37
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A small update. The car went for it's cage and the gusy replaced part of the drivers footwell that was rotten. It was also seem welded. When the dash came out they found a huge hole. Also the rot dissappeared behind the heater matrix cover in the engine bay.
They asked if i could get the engine out so they can get better access to replacing the rotten parts. The car is back at home and i have removed the complete wiring loom as it had had parts of it removed to get Kev's car to the Ring at easter. All the lights, bumpers, bonnet, coolant piping etc have been removed. I still need to remove the oil cooler and replace it, the power steering pump, prop, pedal box and servo. I'll just leave it as a rolling shell for the cage to go in. Then when i get it back the rest will come off prior to spraying. The rear light panel needs replacing. I will also replace the bumpers and front wings with either FG or CF. Then have the car prepped to get ride of all the rust prior to spraying. I'm not sure of what colour i would like. I like white and purple, but also liked my brilliantrot colour of the last M3. I have also replaced my bell housing for my discs that take AP discs and have included a 10mm spacer onto it. IT is a work of art on it's own. I also have the CF DTM mirrors and Grp A shifter in a box from Marcus that can go on. Oh well not such a small update The disc and hub fitted just to make sure they cleared the caliper and do 
With one of my new wheels, a 16" Kosei K1 Racing lightwieght rim 
An inside shot 
Rot under the dash 
From the engine bay 
------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: DAWIEM3
Date Posted: 09-June-2006 at 13:59
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Toby,
Sucks fakes, now I know why your car is so light. Your car looks worse that the 2002 I`m currently stripping, and I thought that it was bad. Look on the bright side, at least you have found while you can still save it. Could have been worse if left longer. Have you thought of speaking to Jake about his shell he has on offer, as may be a better way to go. Anyway, keep up the progress and hope to see on track soon,
Regards,
Dave ------------- E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong ) E30 M3 Track Car S14 2.0L 2002 in progress E30 C2 2.7 Alpina E36 M3 3.2 EVO |
Posted By: John-M3
Date Posted: 09-June-2006 at 19:28
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Toby, it sure pains me to see an M3 with that kind of damage. I hope you are not offended, but from the few pics Im seeing it looks like you have to replace the firewall and the inner fender housings. Im guessing this is not all. How does the rest of the car look? If you want to make the car rust free (remember rust likes to come back, you have to change out hole sections of sheet metal to get rid of it) this might cost significant money. Im also thinking you should consider an alternative shell. I might be wrong though. Post more pics. remember when you weld in a cage you need a solid base to work from. if you do replace the inner fenders, you can do something like I did and have them raised 4 cm (like DTM 92) this will provide you with total wheel clearance for any of the common tires sizes regardless of how low you go. John
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Posted By: 215m3
Date Posted: 09-June-2006 at 19:54
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The shell is in good condition all over apart from this section and the drivers footwell, that has been repared. I have been quote a figure to fix it. The guys who will do the shell will fix the rot. They build one off Paris-Dakar cars which have over £100k spent on them. They would not put a cage in a shell that would not cope with it, that's why they've asked me to remove the engine so they can get at the rust and replace it all.
Tey seem to knoe what they are doing. They did Waynes cage in his Jagier replica. ------------- Toby http://www.bmminiparts.com - New Genuine BMW & Mini OEM parts - www.bmminiparts.com 1987 E30 M3 with turbo being added |
Posted By: BMG M3
Date Posted: 09-June-2006 at 19:56
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Ouch,that rust is pretty much like Jake's car was on the bulkhead. Have you got a quote on the work to repair that ? Is the car going to be a complete bare shell job ? Also, what's the weight difference in the new and old wheels ?
Good luck with it Toby.
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