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    Posted: 24-August-2004 at 01:32
It maybe strange but thats what they use
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-August-2004 at 09:33
Originally posted by chasseur chasseur wrote:

Lpg itself is odourless& so that you can tell if there's a leak they have introduced another element that you can easily smell 7 that is...........Sulphur!

LPG is either Butane or Propane or a mixture of the two. It does have an odour, I know since I work LPG. While I cannot say whether they add sulphur or not, it would seam like a strange choice since there has been so much fuss about sulphur levels in petrol and diesel.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-August-2004 at 20:45
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-August-2004 at 13:23

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-August-2004 at 10:34

Any idea what they're lining the up-and-coming magnesium blocked engines with?

I couldn't believe it when I bought an E36 M3Evo engine and found it had an iron block! I know they did it to keep the block size as small as possible, but you try moving one!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-August-2004 at 21:55

Absolutely! But as i understand BMW had tried Nikasil for ages in there Motorbikes?? So i suppose they can be forgiven slightly, its the high content of sulphur thats the problem as the cheap fuel from Venezuela does not have it removed as its costly!!! Still You'd have thought that BMW could at least have researched a bit more, i mean Poor old British leyland, think Allegro's, marina's Maxi's (some of you think i'm talking another language but no these were budget wrecks that B.L. used to turn out , managed to make engines that would go on & on ,not that you wanted them to

I would'nt chance buying a Nikasil engined car until it had the replacement "Alusil" engine fitted, one last thing, a lot of people now have fitted LPG to there V*'s & think great i'm not using cheap fuel BUT & there is a but if you have a Nikasil engine on LPG, Lpg itself is odourless& so that you can tell if there's a leak they have introduced another element that you can easily smell 7 that is...........Sulphur!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-August-2004 at 08:21

Certainly the Jag AJ blocks should have been up to the task as they were originally designed to be part of a family of engines which included a diesel!

Anyway, the diesel design was canned, but the block wasn't re-designed so for a petrol engine, it's unbelievably rigid!

Re: Nikasil, why is it that Porsche managed to use this in their engines without any problems whilst BMW and others fell flat on their faces!? I hear that supermarket fuels with unusually high sulphur contents are responsible for causing nikasil problems so if you've got one, then avoid these cheaper fuels. Cheap in the short term, EXPEEEEENSIVE in the long!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-August-2004 at 00:34

The Jag's power was up (0bhp above the standard 4.0 XJ40 of that time, it was all before Jags decided to supercharge......then along came the XJR and the turbo's were dropped by Paramount who now operate from Berkshire & currently make the XJR V8 into a 450BHP monster with all the above mods.

Peter: the straight 6 Jag engines were remarkably tough old units good for 225 K it was all the stuff bolted onto the car that was crap , in fact you may have noticed lately that the price of the 6 pot XJR has picked up while the much more powerful V8 XJR has/is dropping stone like  adue to the Leperosy like "NIKASIL" issue's with the V8's anyway back to Gt's thread (sorry mate) I agree sleeper its great fun building up & achieving what you set out to do with engine's But it can also end up with very empty wallets  , i was just trying to point this out to GT, i started out on Mini's (so Cheap & so much fun , then grasstrack escorts that could  90in 3rd but give 14mpg ..& then the mortgage ruining Maserati that after #17,500 pounds spent on it went like hell but was a dog to drive except flat out & that caused excessive ageing!!   GT Have lots & lots of fun mate & when it works buy a detectoor

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-August-2004 at 19:13

Skoda used to make a turbo version. It went well, but the engine would last 25000 miles tops, about 1/3rd what a standard one would manage. Unless you are dealing with a very understressed bottom end, you can expect the same from a home-brewed conversion at best.

No-one bothers to make a turbocharged motorcycle any more; the reason is that by the time you've messed about putting a turbo on a small engine, you might as well have had a bigger one from the start.

The same goes for car engines to a great extent (although turbos are fun to drive).

Most people I know who have had one have eventually wanted to 'experiment' with the boost pressure and have blown their engines up.... 

So I'd be tempted by a small V8 lump or something like that, if tuning the standard lump (220 to 230bhp not too difficult) or replacement with a big 6 (3.5 litres anyone?) isn't enough for you.

Still, I'm sure you'll have fun whatever you do....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-August-2004 at 13:38

It is a fairly low stress modification, for example putting less stress on the components than gaining 70bhp by increasing the rev limit.

For an example of thorough preparation, take a look at this:

http://www.da-motorsport.com/projeler/turbo_en.htm

The best thing is that they weren't happy with 700bhp!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-August-2004 at 11:46
Chasseur, surely reliabillity issues depend on how much extra power you are hoping to get. Since GT6-M3 is only talking about an extra 70bhp then I doubt he will have many problems with engine components disintegrating on him. If he was talking about an extra 170 then maybe. Also the problems with the developement of the jag were probably due to the the quality of the standard engines in the first place. It's only in the last few years, since Ford took over, that Jag have started to make cars properly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-August-2004 at 09:28

I mostly agree with the above, however grass roots is where it all starts. If you like doing it, then why not? I used to change enignes on an almost weekly basis in my experimenting days (and when I had the space & kit!) - its the only way we move forward....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-August-2004 at 23:34

a while  back i had a Jaguar Twi Turbo "Chasseur" 4.0, these are stripped out Jag's fitted with a Blueprinted engine in fact the engine design/tuning was undertaken by Turbo Technics in Northampton,you may have heard of them,the suspension was developed with Leda & Baileys, recalibrated steering racks etc. To top it of the brakes were uprated ,all the water hoses & brake hoses were stainless braided & the exhausts & Manifolds inlet/outlet were developed & designed by Piper's of Devon along with the Camshafts etc You may have heard of them also. Anyway they topped it of with the interior an exact replica of the Bentley Turbo "R" there is so much leather the only way to have more surrouding you were if you crawled up a cows Ass!

Now these cars moved & handled like a dream bearing in mind they are 2 ton+ but even with all these top firms designing  inlets Exhausts , Turbo Technic's made there own Patented ecu's one for each turbo pus the cars o.e. one  even using 6 extra uprated injectors from a A.M.DB7 V8 to work alongside the cars O.E. when on full boost (which was only a lowly 6psi) they still had quite a few problems that they(Experts) had't banked on SUCH as gudgeon pins disintergrating, pistons that were NOT drop forged but from the U.S. 4.0 Jags because they were lower compression cracking around the skirts due to "Knock" at boost. Now all this developement    lasted 6 years & the car was tested at the MIRA test track during **** development cost a bloody fortune ,so much so that C.D Developements went bust 3 time's & is now called Paramount Performance .

So GT i do hope that your that good with your fabricating &remapping etc & perhaps you could drop Pipers & T/Technics a line to help them out Ha Ha Ha Sorry Mate but honestly there is no Safe(engine wise) cheap way to properly Re-Turbo a NoN Turbo engine unless you spend big after this Rant ask me about the Money spent on a Twin Turbo Maserati .now that will make your hair curl & make s the Jag feel like a shopping Trolley but not much fun in traffic jams & you've got to inject A/Steroids in your clutch leg to.(BIG FUN)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-August-2004 at 09:30

I say go for it. Big Smile

Sounds like you know what your doing.  If it works out well you can start charging other people to convert their cars!

Oh and I agree totally about the economy gauge!Angry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-August-2004 at 08:21

Of course there are.

If you buy a kit, you're paying some other companies overhead & profit, then you're paying for the components themselves.

If you can fabricate all the required bits yourself, which mostly comes down to plumbing, you cut out a huge chunk of the cost.

Also, as I've said in most of the above posts, I would be buying a fully mappable ECU which takes care of fuelling and ignition which means ditching the dizzy and old ecu altogether. None of this resistor pish or "chip" bollocks.

Why in gods name do people think this is some kind of black art!?

Also, why do people assume that if you're turbocharging a car that you must want a million horsepower?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-August-2004 at 23:03
Yes brilliant until its goes pop, if you cut corners on prep you'll pay later , as was said earlier 5-6k is the going rate. You can pay 300 for a proper chip or 2.00 on e bay for a resistor trick , the latter just flushs more fuel in all the time & can cause premature bore wear on cold starts due to fuel washing oil away .in the end which is the cheapest??There are no shortcuts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-August-2004 at 18:10

I would consider Eaton's offerings as you can pick up M45s on e-bay for around £200 which have about 10miles on them.

However, I already have a shiny pair of turbos kicking around :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-August-2004 at 14:27

dont like screw blowers then? i'm tempted.....

they do a lot of turbo work in holland on BM's... I can't remember who I try and remember if you want. Also active autowerke in the US do and I think their agent here is CA automotive (they are pricey tho') they may advise if you are nice to them?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-August-2004 at 13:43

Yeah, my only problem with NOS is that whilst it's cheap to install in the first place, the refills can be expensive.

Also, it would suck to be in a situation where you needed the power but couldn't have it because the laughing gas had run out.

Again, the engine needs to be in good nick to reliably use NOS.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-August-2004 at 13:24
You could always try nos. Its cheaper plus you can move it car to car.
Autos are easy. Its the steering thats hard.
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