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    Posted: 09-September-2011 at 15:20
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about 10 weeks ago, it started needing a jump in the morning, got a guy to look at it and he said battery, relatively inexpensive so I put a new shiny battery in.  yaay I thought.  about 3 weeks ago, it started needing a jump again.  boo says me. 

Dropped it into local garage who's been doing my services for me and Id trust, says its actually alternator,  new one costs circa 750e, reconditioned one was 360e.  (does this price sound right for a conditioned one)  anyway, I went with the reconditioned one on the recomendation of garage who said it could be done.  got another 2 weeks out of it, but battery dead again this morning. 

I gotta drop it back to garage but anyone any suggestions if its not battery and not alternator?

also, its absolutely chewing the oil.  I gotta do a top up of 3-4 litres like every 8-10 weeks.   no leaks on the driveway.   Is that just part of living with a car that old?   I tried one of those viscous additives (dont ask me the name) on the last topup thats supposed to elongate the life of the oil but it didnt. 
 

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I'm assuming it is an E39 520i i.e. petrol. 
 
The price sounds right if in Euros for a re-con alternator, they are relatively expensive bits of kit.
 
You obviously still have a drain on the battery.  If it were an E60 I would say it might be the ABS unit.  That could also be applicable I guess for an E39.  It probably warrants a proper diagnostic with computer and correct software as you have also spent a fair whack on it and a new ABS unit will not be cheap either.
 
Again assuming that it is the petrol M54 engine, these do have a thirst for oil.  BMWs acceptable limit for oil consumption on these engine is frankl scary at something like 1 litre per 900 odd miles.  More than that and you could have a clogged up crankcase breather system.  I would only put oil in the engine and no additives, but that's just me.
 
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andrew, thats for taking the time to respond.  very helpful answers.  Yes, its the e39.  

On the alternator  its a bit "holy jaysus, how much?" but if thats what it is then it has to be.  I rang a bm garage yesterday and they confirmed not much change of 750 for a new one so half that sounds right for a recond. one.

Yeah, the drain on the battery is a funny one, the only thing I can think is there's an electrical short somewhere.  It took a bang to the back passenger side about 2 years ago, I got what I thought was properly repaired but after I got it back shortly afterwards the boot loaded cd player stopped working.   My garage said theres a break in the electrics there and it would be pricey to start opening up things to see where the break was and as I dont really listen to cd's that much I never got it fixed.  Possible theres something there.












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Originally posted by carsmusings carsmusings wrote:

I never got it fixed.  Possible theres something there.
 
That could be a starting point.  A wire might be chaffing on the body work and causing a short as you suggested.  It could also be water getting in somewhere and shorting something out. 
 
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WRT the oil consumpsion, do you get any white deposit under the oil filler cap? Also if you take the filler cap off when the engine is running does it start to idle roughly?

If the answer is yes and no to these questions then your CCV is knackered. It's not an expensive part to buy but fitting it is a pain.

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Whenever I've had a battery drain I've always removed a different fuse overnight to try to pinpoint at least the circuit that's at fault. But by the sounds of it this may not help as it drains over the course of a few weeks. Only thing is, is it draining when the engine is off as well as on? This would be an easy thing to check by testing for current flow.
 
If there is a flow of current when the engine's off then you can start taking out fuses to see when it stops (or at least decreases as the alarm etc. will take a small portion as a matter of course).
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Originally posted by Crispy-d Crispy-d wrote:

If there is a flow of current when the engine's off then you can start taking out fuses to see when it stops (or at least decreases as the alarm etc. will take a small portion as a matter of course).
 
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Sounds a good plan but you need a good meter than can read up to 30 amps plus a good few hours to pin point.  Would very much help to rule out other components.
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As regards the cost of the alternator, a call to a well regarded BMW specialist dismantler might save you some money.  Two that I have used are linked below. 

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I had the exact same problem with mine, after a lot or trial and error and some hair pulling I disconnected the radio aerial, worked a treat!
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Ah but does your radio work now?
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Alternators on these beasts are not cheap. I'd agree that it sounds like you have a short somewhere though in my experience you could find it quite easily or spend ages chasing your tail. Thing is, if you want your car sorted you may have to bite the bullet.
Perhaps you could try stripping out the rear end of carpet and trim where the smash was and see if there is anything obvious. You never know, you may see a broken or chafed wire and fix it in no time.
 
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Originally posted by carsmusings carsmusings wrote:

andrew, thats for taking the time to respond.  very helpful answers.  Yes, its the e39.  

On the alternator  its a bit "holy jaysus, how much?" but if thats what it is then it has to be.  I rang a bm garage yesterday and they confirmed not much change of 750 for a new one so half that sounds right for a recond. one.

Yeah, the drain on the battery is a funny one, the only thing I can think is there's an electrical short somewhere.  It took a bang to the back passenger side about 2 years ago, I got what I thought was properly repaired but after I got it back shortly afterwards the boot loaded cd player stopped working.   My garage said theres a break in the electrics there and it would be pricey to start opening up things to see where the break was and as I dont really listen to cd's that much I never got it fixed.  Possible theres something there.

First of all how do you use car, short distance drives with coldstarts ?
Have you recharge your battery at least 24 hours after it where empty otherwise you never get full power in the battery and its also get sulphur damaged and lost capacity very fast. You cant drive the car to full battery capacity. And the alternator can only recharge to about 85% of full capacity
Fore every start you need to drive at list 8 km/20 minuts just to get the power back you have before you start the car. If you dont, you empty the battery sooner or later.
So soon the voltage gets down to 12,3V it need a recharge fore at least 8 hours.
And the temperature is also a very importent factor, from +20C the battery lost its capacity linearly fore every degree the temperature gets down.
So if you dont have a full charge battery in +20C what happends when the temperature goes down to +-0C.
Once a month recharge the battery over night with a "smartcharger"
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