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    Posted: 17-April-2009 at 10:27

Replacing the Air Flow Meter on a S14 engine with the meter from a M50 or M52. Has anybody else either heard of this or performed the switch themselves? I was told to look on www.e30.de but it is all in German and I cannot find a button to change the language.

The reason I ask is that I have experienced a sudden fall off in fuel consumption. I have ordered the two temp sensors and will check again for any leaks. Otherwise the car seems to be running fine. Just the mpg has gone from around 30 down to 15.

Any other ideas would be much appreciated.

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Hi Rob
      I would get in touch with Uwe (Uw3M3) , he'll
      be able to help with a translation i'm sure .


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Originally posted by hoggr hoggr wrote:

Replacing the Air Flow Meter on a S14 engine with the meter from a M50 or M52. Has anybody else either heard of this or performed the switch themselves? I was told to look on www.e30.de but it is all in German and I cannot find a button to change the language.


The reason I ask is that I have experienced a sudden fall off in fuel consumption. I have ordered the two temp sensors and will check again for any leaks. Otherwise the car seems to be running fine. Just the mpg has gone from around 30 down to 15.


Any other ideas would be much appreciated.


Rob.



just to clarify a few things.
You CAN'T use a MAF from a M50 or M52 or any other MAF without a conversion box.
The S14 is running with a AFM (Air flow meter) and not a MAF (MASS air flow meter)

You only need to order ONE temp sensor (the blue one) the other one is just for the gauge.

There is NO other AFM from other BMW you can use. M3 is unique. there is a place called "injection correction" which can rebuild your AFM to new spec for less money than a new one.

But to start with the blue sensor is a good idea.
You can get one from www.C3bmw.co.uk
How many miles on your oxygen sensor? Throttle switch working?
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Thanks Uwe.

Unfortunately I have already ordered both switches. I was in a hurry due to impending track day.

Throttle switch? Due you mean the black switch at the top front of the engine? And to test it you just listen for a click when you part open the throttle and also listen for change in engine running when you disconnect it? Is that right?

Ok, so before I do anything to the AFM I need to do a bit of research on alternatives. Alpha-N, Q-chip or whatever. I am not really looking for a major power boast but more reliable economical running and maintance.

Rob.

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The click of the throttle switch is only for IDLE. The switch has three contacts. One ground, one for Idle and one for WOT. To be really sure you can use a volt meter and check if the switch works at 3/4 throttle (telling the ECU to switch off Lambda Control and that there is now WOT).
When the switch doesn't work you usually have poor power at top end.

If you want to upgrade your EMS you better get a Wideband Lambda gauage as well. (would also be very helpful now to see what AFR's your engine is running now)

The new MAXX is now wideband CONTROLLED!
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What does AFR stand for?

Uwe, I don't think I have poor top end power. I took the car out yesterday and it seemed all right upto the red line in third gear. Well, it felt good to me but I haven't driven it for quite awhile. No miss firing or poping.

I will look up what I can on the new MAXX.

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Originally posted by hoggr hoggr wrote:

What does AFR stand for?


Uwe, I don't think I have poor top end power. I took the car out yesterday and it seemed all right upto the red line in third gear. Well, it felt good to me but I haven't driven it for quite awhile. No miss firing or poping.


I will look up what I can on the new MAXX.


Thanks, Rob.



I don't think there is anything new on MAXX's website but I have spoken to Martin (who owns MAXX) a few days ago and we discussed the new unit. Best to email him via the website. You can mention my name if he wonders how you know about it.

almost forgot. AFR = Air Fuel Ratio
i.e 12.5:1 rich (for WOT = Wide Open Throttle)
14.7:1 = Lambda 1
15:1 = Lean (cruise)
in a nut shell, there is more to it

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Hi,

sorry to be a thread robber,but just had the mot on mine and the co2's where reading low they did increase with throttle but not to the mot testers chart.

Can you give me the basic route of sensor changes first,as the AFM was fully adjusted.

Can anyone recommend a AFM reconditioner up north or is it a new part I need,I don't want to damage the engine,but fuel economy is good and its running well to me.

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Originally posted by screamingflat6 screamingflat6 wrote:

Hi,


sorry to be a thread robber,but just had the mot on mine and the co2's where reading low they did increase with throttle but not to the mot testers chart.


Can you give me the basic route of sensor changes first,as the AFM was fully adjusted.


Can anyone recommend a AFM reconditioner up north or is it a new part I need,I don't want to damage the engine,but fuel economy is good and its running well to me.


 regards Gaz



you didn't pass with CO readings to LOW?????
How low is low?

have a look here
http://www.bluestreak.co.uk/bs/

can you please explain what you mean with "the AFM was fully adjusted"? Did the MOT bloke have a play with it?

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Hi,

The car passed the mot,car's in good condition on top and underneath,but the mot geezer is a mate of mine so he's always kean to help me keep my cars in top condition.

The car was on the tester for emissions and my mates comments where its running very weak ,the reading was 0.000 then when the throttle was opened the reading increased but he read on a chart on the wall the reading should be 1.5. He used a allen key on the metering head and told me the car was fully adjusted and the airflow meter might need tinkering with.

I drove home and couldn't resist a quick blast on the motorway and let her loose 220 klicks no problem,so its running well in my opinion and its good on the fuel so is my metering head wrong?

I seviced the car less than 1k miles ago new leads, plugs ,coil,cap,rotor filters etc but the BMW specialist on the wirral had not seen one before,so its hard to find anyone with knowledge of the e30 m around merseyside.I will travel for a good specialist and wanted a tune-up at moselys but its hard to get him on the phone.

So please point me in the direction of a good northern e30 m3 specialist or at least a k-jet metering refurb specialist.

Many thanks in advance GAZ 

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you haven't got a cat fitted by any chance? And what do you want with a k-jet metering specialist? This is a BMW not an old VW.

You are not supposed to fiddle with the CO screw on the AFM without disconnection the Lambda probe and throttle switch. All three terminals on the plug will be bridged to get the ECU in "idiot mode" to adjust CO. Otherwise your Lambda probe will just delete what you have tried to adjust on the CO screw.
So how much does your mate know about old M3's?

M3's with cats are very close to 0.00 CO
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Hi,

I am a fool granted,but its a leanring curve on this car for me and Kev my mechanic mate, he's a big volkswagen specialist(porsche turbo's is his thing)so I don't mind him not knowing the beemer's fuel injection system.

In reply Uwe,the car has a lamba sensor on the exhaust manifold but no cat that I could see,but the reading was low and increased with throttle.

My car is a 1989 feb 158kw model which is 215 bhp and a import from Germany in 1997. I need a good contact/specialist in the North just for a quick set up,as the basic's are all good I just want to look after it properly.

Thanks in advance Gaz 

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Gaz are you 100% sure there is no cat fitted?

Setting CO is as I described further up:
--disconnect Lambda Sensor (plug should be under sheet metal tray of coolant overflow tank)
--disconnect throttle switch plug and SHORTEN all three contacts in the plug

now you can adjust the CO with the allen screw on the AFM and the idle speed (big slotted screw between the throttle bodies)


PS make sure your idle control valve works (thouch it it should vibrate)


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Hi,

I am going mad,I have a lamba sensor on the manifold I think,and the rear box is a stainless dtm item,but the centre box is very large and is mostly covered by a heat shield is this a bloody cat and the lamba is before the cat?and no wiring going to the centre box(cat maybe?)

I could do with a photo of standard car underneath or one fitted with a cat as this has been confusing me since I bought the car.

I was wanting to replace the manifold and exhaust in the future as its a bit grotty and was thinking of a full stainless system.

I hope someone can solve this for me as I have never seen another e30 m3 where I am living and no one know's anything about them.

So without you chaps I'm totally lost in space.

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I bet you have a cat fitted! IF the cat is still working (and with your low CO readings I suppose it does) there is one possible way to find out without removing it and throwing a coin through it (coin comes out other end --> NO cat, coin doesn't --> CAT!)
I had to learn that BMW has produced/supplied centre sections which look like the old cat sections but didn't have any cat inside (cost savings I guess)insted of two different designs for cat and non cat cars.

DISCONNECT your Lambda probe and drive the car for a few days. After cold start in the morning you MAY smell rotten eggs coming out of your exhaust in the first few miles of driving --> bingo! Then there is a cat and the overfueling when engine is running cold will make the exhaust fumes smell.

Another word of warning about S14 exhaust systems. The OEM BMW system is hard to beat for power. There is NO aftermarket manifold which increase power.

There is NO back to back Dyno comparision showing REAL power gains. Just claims.

The BMW manifold AND the centre sections are made from Stainless Steel (BTW and a much better quality Stainless than ALL the aftermarket systems).

I removed my cats on a OEM centre sections just for a trial and the resulting "exhaust" was riddled with welds where I inserted pipes (robbed from another OEM centre section) and NOT ONE of the welds broke in 4 years of use (yeah nothing lasts longer than a temp solution).
That "spagetti" centre section was on my modified 2.5 engine with a stock header making 254 bhp on Thorneys Dyno. What more do you want?

The most popular combination is OEM headers, SUPERSPRINT centre section (Mild Steel unfortunately) and the BMW OEM backbox (again Mild steel)

You may replace the BMW back box with a Supersprint as well, bit cheaper (but why if you BMW back box is still good?)

DO NOT get tempted to buy the Supersprint RACE system (made from the thinnest Stainless Steel you can imagine, weighs next to nothing and falls apart in NO time) if you want to keep your hearing and the friendship of your neighbours.

A Exhaust header has a HARD live it can be redhot glowing at times, it will NEVER look good and shiny.
Unless you get it ceramic coated, that helps for looks and reduces under bonnet temperatur.

And while we are the subject of redhot glowing headers, check the frame rail next to the header pipes in the engine bay. The heat of the header burns the paint off and can rot the chassis leg. Stick some heatshield on the frame rail.

I had an EISENMANN (Stainless) back box fitted and they are quite good as well but ££££££

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Hi, Uwe,

I must have the cat,I looked at the centre section on the lift at the mot centre and no wires leading there so you would guess no cat,but your more of a expert on the m3 e30 than most,so I have taken your advise and will leave alone.

I hope this year to attend a Bmw club meet,there is usually one at Tatton hall in Cheshire around August so I can meet some more knowledgeable people and find out what my car is all about.

This site and s14.net is the only place I can get info on the car,but its running well and good on fuel in my opinion so it must be okay.

I only drive the car in good weather and only for pleasure driving so oil changes and plug swaps until I can find or meet at a show someone who can do the tappets or tune the throttle bodies for me.

I want a tune-up as just to put peace in my mind that I'm not using the car and its not set up properly,as the previous owner had very little info on the car,he had owned it for ten years but the family owned garages so not many bills came with the car.

I bought it on condition not on paperwork.

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Gaz why do you think that there must be wires going to the exhaust?? The Lambda sensor is in the down pipe, there is no need for any other wires/sensors to lead to the CAT.

left BLACK exhaust is the NON cat, right silver one is the CAT


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