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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote livvy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-November-2006 at 16:17
Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:


As said, they should have used a motoway to test these devices - the car using the device should have had a passenger to operate the device. They say using a mobile phone while driving is dangerous - whats the difference?


The car using the VASCAR wasn't the one that was involved in the collision. The report doesn't apportion blame for the collision on any party yet (presumably because they don't know who was to blame yet) & the report doesn't say that the Police cars were involved in chasing one another. infact it doesn't say that anyone was exceeding the limit.

The poor family of the deceased don't seem to be jumping to any conclusions, yet others are.
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Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

infact it doesn't say that anyone was exceeding the limit.


In which case, you might argue that speed DOESN'T kill, in which case, why are there so many scameras about?

PS Got anything to say about coppers getting off speeding to the Chinese, livvy?


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Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

infact it doesn't say that anyone was exceeding the limit.


In which case, you might argue that speed DOESN'T kill, in which case, why are there so many scameras about?


Speed cameras are there to prevent or detect offences.

Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:


PS Got anything to say about coppers getting off speeding to the Chinese, livvy?


Prosecuted by his colleagues & the CPS. Given a trial like anyone else & with all the evidence before them aquitted by the court.
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Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

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The poor family of the deceased don't seem to be jumping to any conclusions, yet others are.

When the linch mob are on the move nothing stops them!

After all why let the facts spoil a good rant  

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Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

PS Got anything to say about coppers getting off speeding to the Chinese, livvy?


Prosecuted by his colleagues & the CPS. Given a trial like anyone else & with all the evidence before them aquitted by the court.

which on the information in the press appears a little odd?

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As do many other verdicts that are reported in the press.
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Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

As do many other verdicts that are reported in the press.

Oh yes, I can't disagree - makes you think though?

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Originally posted by skull skull wrote:

and what was involved .. a speed camera devise.


    

i bet he was looking at the camera at the time instead of the road ahead.


it was the second police car that had the vascar fitted not the one in the crash....did some one mention getting away from the facts

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my first quote is true facts, was there or not a camera devise in one of the cars.

my second quote was my opinion as i read it.
and vascar has been used for a while so why was they testing it ?
just a little crazy.


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Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Prosecuted by his colleagues & the CPS. Given a trial like anyone else & with all the evidence before them aquitted by the court.


So why, after he was acquitted, is he still facing a disciplinary hearing? Don't the police trust the courts?
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Its the same in all branches of the services, armed or not.

There is a code of conduct you are expected to follow, breaching this code may not actually be criminal, but you will still be charged within the service.

The most recent civvy one that annoyed me was a fireman, driving a fire engine on blues & two's, to a reported school fire with children trapped, he didn't break the speed limit for the class of vehicle, but did exceed his brigades guidelines for that class of vehicle....so he was disciplined !

I was myself charged for having a twisted shoelace in basic training, I can't imagine the local magistrates court being too hard on me, but the RAF thought it worth following up.

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Right - so.. It must be the fault of the old couple coming back off holliday then - either that or it will be put down as an unfortunate accident blaming road conditions. I can allready see that the police won't be found at fault - no evidence to say what happened as no-one else was there. Just out of interest was there a scene of accident investigation to see what happened and who did what - tyre marks - skidding etc.?

Oh btw, the incident on the York bypass I mentioned earlier was dealt with by Della Cannings IIRC my mates brother (both of whom witnessed it) got a handwritten letter saying she was taking care of it personaly as their action was endangering the publics safety. Followed by written appologies from the drivers in question.. So it looks like the police aren't squeaky clean all of the time does it.
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I like speed, always thought it was the manner in which you stopped that caused injuries........
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Originally posted by rubberknees50 rubberknees50 wrote:

I like speed, always thought it was the manner in which you stopped that caused injuries........


..as in it's not the fall that kills you - it's the sudden stop at the bottom.


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Originally posted by skull skull wrote:

Originally posted by muppet 2 muppet 2 wrote:

Originally posted by skull skull wrote:

and what was involved .. a speed camera devise.


    

i bet he was looking at the camera at the time instead of the road ahead.


it was the second police car that had the vascar fitted not the one in the crash....did some one  mention getting away from the facts



my first quote is true facts, was there or not a camera devise in one of the cars.

Muppet no , there was not a camera device , vascar does not have a camera in it

my second quote was my opinion as i read it.
and vascar has been used for a while so why was they testing it ?;

Muppet from the report the police force doing the testing had never used this device before.vascar has been about for about twenty years that i know of so this may be a new one. If it is it would have to be evalueated before its use or everyone would complain that the police were using devices that had not been tested. it can only be tested on the public roads as that is where it will be used , as had been said throughout this this thread there is no mention of blame on any party or that anyone was speeding

 

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Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Prosecuted by his colleagues & the CPS. Given a trial like anyone else & with all the evidence before them aquitted by the court.


So why, after he was acquitted, is he still facing a disciplinary hearing? Don't the police trust the courts?


Probably because he may have breached the Police drivers regulations in regards to some of his obligations under them.
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Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:

Right - so.. It must be the fault of the old couple coming back off holliday then - either that or it will be put down as an unfortunate accident blaming road conditions. I can allready see that the police won't be found at fault - no evidence to say what happened as no-one else was there. Just out of interest was there a scene of accident investigation to see what happened and who did what - tyre marks - skidding etc.?

Oh btw, the incident on the York bypass I mentioned earlier was dealt with by Della Cannings IIRC my mates brother (both of whom witnessed it) got a handwritten letter saying she was taking care of it personaly as their action was endangering the publics safety. Followed by written appologies from the drivers in question.. So it looks like the police aren't squeaky clean all of the time does it.


As I said the poor family of the man who died are willing to wait & see the outcome of the full IPCC investigation.

With regards to your second point.
No Police drivers aren't perfect & that's why they get prosecuted where there is sufficient evidence against them.
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Disciplinary action - sounds familiar! The old service catch all if the courts can't prove anything is "bringing the service into disrepute".

Without more facts as to what they are accused of it could be anything!

Police not perfect but what would it be like without them.........

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Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:

Right - so.. It must be the fault of the old couple coming back off holliday then

It could well be.

My brother was on duty when an elderly couple failed to spot the No Entry signs when the road split to go over the A1 north of Morpeth, the other carriageway was the exit slip from the A1. They collided with a car leaving the A1 on the curving slip road.

They were in an Escort & both died. The guy they hit was in a Golf & he walked away. Guess what car my brother bought next.

Who's to say this isn't what happened in this case? Everyone's keen to blame the police officers. Are you all whiter than white? I'll bet every single one of you has broken the speed limit & various other traffic laws more than once.

As for the prat getting the Chinese - well he's probably a mason!

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It would be against masonic rules (so I'm advised) to help anyone break the law, or to protect them once they have.
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