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    Posted: 16-November-2006 at 15:53
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@215DMX: excuse my ignorance... "pattern parts"???
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Just a point. If you are going to buy standard drop
links buy from BMW. DON'T buy there pattern parts.

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Originally posted by Lancastrian Lancastrian wrote:

Edit to add: and Turner say you only need one so presumably you can fit a standard one on the other side!


As you say, if you adjust the ride height you also adjust the ARB angle, this means you would need adjustables or longer? ones on both sides. IIRC you want the bar parallel to the floor.
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I think that Pooky's point is that, on level ground, there should not be any pre-tension in the ARB unless something else is wrong, As the ARB rotates in the chassis bushes it should not be under tension with equally loaded suspension.

I recognise that if the ride height is lowered their may (possibly) be a case for a different length of drop link to maintain the ARB position and its angle to the drop link.

Also the "uprated" ones will no doubt have different lining material to the ball joints to help pass more vibration through to the body of the car.

Edit to add: and Turner say you only need one so presumably you can fit a standard one on the other side!



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Originally posted by Beemer Fan Beemer Fan wrote:

Originally posted by Pooky Pooky wrote:

As Dave is implying you shouldn't need an adjustable drop link with a standardish car. This droplink even uses the same ball joints as the standard part. As said earlier it's a stick with two balljoints (there is no rubber to be found), if you wan't to pay more for a different stick with the same balljoints on it then that's up to you.

From Whiteline: Spherically designed for anti-roll bar use, they feature a high misalignment design allowing up to 20 degrees of movement and sealing cups on each side of the ball to minimize contamination from water road grime and dust. KLC38 is designed to convert the plastic / rubber OE link on the front. KLC39 replaces the OE ball type link as found on SIi's with a heavy duty spherical bearing version. Universal kits are also available which are adjustable for length and angle and are designed to replace OE versions. Please note this product will be relatively noisy compared with a nylon lined OE ball.

..these dont cost anymore than the originals

I'm completely confused. There is nothing wrong with the standard OE front droplink. It is two spherical joints connected by a solid rod of steel. Just what do you expect to be uprated?

And the whiteline parts you quote are nothing to do with the M3 front droplink anyway.

http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/instructs/Z299_KLC39.pdf

http://www.whiteline.com.au/docs/instructs/Z298_KLC38.pdf

I'm not trying to be arsey I just want to understand what you think is wrong with the current part and what you think will be better by fitting an aftermarket part?



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Originally posted by Beemer Fan Beemer Fan wrote:

Whiteline ones work out the same for me if i import them



Where are you getting them from? And how much they are?
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Whiteline ones work out the same for me if i import them plus i have adjustability if i need it.. I'll try them and let you know how i get on..

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Originally posted by Beemer Fan Beemer Fan wrote:

..these dont cost anymore than the originals

BMW OE part around £30

Turner motorsport part = 100$ plus shipping duty etc.

Seems like that is at least twice the price.

 

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Originally posted by Pooky Pooky wrote:

As Dave is implying you shouldn't need an adjustable drop link with a standardish car. This droplink even uses the same ball joints as the standard part. As said earlier it's a stick with two balljoints (there is no rubber to be found), if you wan't to pay more for a different stick with the same balljoints on it then that's up to you.

From Whiteline: Spherically designed for anti-roll bar use, they feature a high misalignment design allowing up to 20 degrees of movement and sealing cups on each side of the ball to minimize contamination from water road grime and dust. KLC38 is designed to convert the plastic / rubber OE link on the front. KLC39 replaces the OE ball type link as found on SIi's with a heavy duty spherical bearing version. Universal kits are also available which are adjustable for length and angle and are designed to replace OE versions. Please note this product will be relatively noisy compared with a nylon lined OE ball.

..these dont cost anymore than the originals

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As Dave is implying you shouldn't need an adjustable drop link with a standardish car. This droplink even uses the same ball joints as the standard part. As said earlier it's a stick with two balljoints (there is no rubber to be found), if you wan't to pay more for a different stick with the same balljoints on it then that's up to you.

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Originally posted by Matt T Matt T wrote:


Originally posted by Dannyboy Dannyboy wrote:

excuse the ignorance but what
would the adjustability do for you?
Adjust
the tension of the ARB



And now you might ask "what tension"...

In a nutshell when the car is sitting on level ground
there shouldn't be any 'pre-load' in the ARB, by that i
mean the ARB is doing nothing.
If there is some preload due to inconsistancy in
suspension parts, body twist or whatever in can
cause the car to handle different when turning right
as opposed to turning left.

You only need one adjuster.

The proper way to connect the ARBs is with the full
weight of the car on level ground NOT when up in the
air on jack stands or whatever.
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Originally posted by Dannyboy Dannyboy wrote:

excuse the ignorance but what would the adjustability do for you?

Adjust the tension of the ARB
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excuse the ignorance but what would the adjustability do for you?
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why don't you make your own , i think my ones for a E30 were no more than $60 to my door

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Originally posted by Robbie Bradford Robbie Bradford wrote:

Darragh, www.turnermotorsport.com do an adjustable drop link if thats any help.

Perfect, just what i'm lookin for!

Thanks Robbie.

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Originally posted by Nick Nick wrote:

[QUOTE=Pooky]

Uprated in what way? It's a metal stick with two balljoints on it...



Uprated with spherical ball joints giving better angle of support to uprated arb's instead of rubber joints which wear out and give movement..
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Darragh, www.turnermotorsport.com do an adjustable drop link if thats any help.

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Originally posted by Pooky Pooky wrote:

Uprated in what way? It's a metal stick with two balljoints on it...



Don't know much about the E36.. but on Merc Sprinters and VW LT35's they are always giving out.. the newer ones are thicker with stronger bushes.
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