E36 318ise Auto (M40) judder |
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SBSD
Groupie Joined: 20-January-2005 Location: N/W UK Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Topic: E36 318ise Auto (M40) judder Posted: 18-March-2005 at 06:15 |
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Just back from the garage having finally made some time this morning, replaced the two hoses to the fuel rail and also the injector O-rings, plus given the spray heads a quick clean up and touch wood so far its driven smoothe as silk. Reminded myself why they call them $tealers though! 6 quid for four flaming O-rings?! blimey, only thing missing from the lads in parts was the facemasks and swords! Edited by SBSD |
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SBSD
Groupie Joined: 20-January-2005 Location: N/W UK Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 14-March-2005 at 19:04 | |
Yeah, i'll update you when i eventually get to the garage, been another day from hell today but i'll get there in the end... Thanks for all the help fella's. |
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born-slippy
Newbie Joined: 11-February-2005 Location: South Africa/UK Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 14-March-2005 at 18:01 | |
Nice to hear you might of cracked it
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SBSD
Groupie Joined: 20-January-2005 Location: N/W UK Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 13-March-2005 at 22:17 | |
FOUND IT! Now don't I just feel a pratt? 9 times out of 10 erratic idles on these cars seem to come from vac leaks or air intake probs of some sort, and i've spent that long focussed on that line of thinking that the problem has eventually more or less jumped up and bitten me on the backside! I started to notice a faint whiff of petrol with the heater on whilst driving, yep, you guessed it!.. leaking injector, pound to a penny thats whats making her spluter. Off to the garage tomorrow, methinks. Edited by SBSD |
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SBSD
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Posted: 18-February-2005 at 16:37 | |
Spot on, Hammer. Popping the lead off number 3 made no difference at all, and indeed its a compresion test next looking for more clues, the wierd thing is, if it was only running on 3 pots it should run like a bag of spaners but it doesn't. It drives smoothe as silk and pulls really well, its just at idle when its misbehaving. I really am getting confused and frustrated with this damned car. |
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Hammer1
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Posted: 18-February-2005 at 16:24 | |
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SBSD
Groupie Joined: 20-January-2005 Location: N/W UK Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 18-February-2005 at 12:24 | |
Hi Slippy, Yes mate, I did change the plugs just as a matter of course, although having said that, the ones I removed looked virtually new... I've considered a blocked injector and thats yet to be investigated, but i'm thinking a compression test next in the search for more clues. As number 3 didn't seem to be doing a great deal, i've also started to consider the possibility of a worn camshaft lobe, if the compression is low on one cylinder in conjunction with the rough idle, that could be one possibility, anyone disagree? Cheers. |
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born-slippy
Newbie Joined: 11-February-2005 Location: South Africa/UK Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 18-February-2005 at 11:10 | |
Have you changed the plugs?? and was it missing before you changed the plugs??..You could have a dodgy replacement plug its known to happen and dont forget the leads either. Plus the 'missing' might be down to a blocked/worn fuel injector so dont think the worse yet.
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SBSD
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Posted: 18-February-2005 at 10:15 | |
It's definitely tappety, the slick did help a little (only a little mind you), took it for a blast down the motorway and the judder isn't as frequent/agressive as it was, but its still most definitely there. Dropped it into a mechanic friend of mines when I got back and both of us had a good listen under the bonnet. He's deduced that its missing Systematically unplugging the H.T's one by one we found that number 3 is doing very little... It's looking a bit more serious than an intake problem, and a damned site more costly as well i'm betting Whats really getting me down is that the thing drives lovely, its just at standstill when idleing its all over the place. Gutted and confused of the North. Edited by SBSD |
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Madrab
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-November-2003 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 569 |
Posted: 18-February-2005 at 07:40 | |
I would like to add that Slick 50, IMO is NOT recommended. They are in court at the moment for misrepresentation and mis selling and they have had a lot of payouts for engines they have knackered. I saying that I have also heard good reports as well so it's up to you. To add to that that the clicking you hear from the head could be clogged injectors, when they are dirty/old the ball bearings inside can tick and can sound like noisy tappets. Rob |
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neileg
Really Senior Member II Joined: 20-July-2004 Location: Northumberland Status: Offline Points: 638 |
Posted: 18-February-2005 at 01:54 | |
When the engine is cold, the mixture is enrichened and this would tend to mask the weakening effect of an air leak.
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Cheers, Neil
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SBSD
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Posted: 17-February-2005 at 17:42 | |
Ref the air leak theory; surely if there was a vac leak, the problem would be constantly occuring from cold, not just when the engine is up to normal running temp?... I'll give the injector cleaner a try if all else fails though. Cheers. |
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neileg
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Posted: 17-February-2005 at 17:18 | |
I wouldn't use Slick 50, but it's your car, your choice. If you have an M40 engine where you can't hear the valve gear from inside the car, leave it alone! This engine is notorious for valve gear wear. My money is on an air leak, possibly via the servo, but any of the hoses could do it. Also you could have dirty injectors. Have you tried some injector cleaner? |
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Cheers, Neil
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SBSD
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Posted: 17-February-2005 at 13:53 | |
Doive, Thanks for that, i'm going to rule that one out from preliminary investigations, initially wanting to rule out a transmission fault as i'm fairly new to automatics and must admit to not knowing a great deal about them, i've tried pulling up at junctions/lights in N or P without the footbrake or handbrake in use and still the problem occurs. Still going ahead with the oil/filter change and the slick 50 tomorrow, see if this sticky tappet has anything to do with it, but any and all other suggestions most welcomed at this stage. Thanks again. |
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Doive
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Posted: 17-February-2005 at 13:25 | |
Well, having looked at all the complex possibilities I'll try throwing a simple one into the ring. Heard of a chevette had exactly the same problem, when at rest and the brakes were depressed the engine would hunt slightly and run a little over idle. After a lot of searching and replacing of stuff, it turned out that the servo unit was not making a perfect vacuum, it was leaking and allowing some of the inlet manifold vacuum to escape when the brakes were pressed, so allowing the engine to idle slightly faster as the fuel/air mix was changed. Maybe this isn't a possibility on a more modern ECU controlled car, but all the symptoms are the same. Can't think of any other link between braking system and engine that would cause the same sort of fault. |
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SBSD
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Posted: 17-February-2005 at 12:59 | |
Yep, ECU was reset after the check. I've never had a warning on the dash about anything though, theres the thing... The ICV reading was a little on the high side, but still within its accepted range, hence no fault code thrown up on that one. Definitely not an O2 sensor we know that much as well, and i've systematically been through intake hoses for splits and tears and they're all okily dokily, no probs with the exhaust either (its virtually new). While I had my head under the bonnet listening to it run when its been warmed up (first real opportunity i've had) i've picked up on the tappets making a bit of a racket (not audiable from inside the car), so i'm going to change the oil and add some slick-50 tomorrow as well as a new oil filter and give it a blast, see if that improves matters any. I've got a new set of plugs to go in tomorrow as well and i'll be giving the throttle body a clean up and renewing the gaskett, all just as a matter of course but that aside if i don't have any joy tomorrow, i'm well and truly stuck.
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp! |
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born-slippy
Newbie Joined: 11-February-2005 Location: South Africa/UK Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Posted: 17-February-2005 at 11:02 | |
At least it rules out the lambda probe,but its still a bugger not knowing what it actually is. BTW Did the guy say anything about resetting the fault code?? i'm sure all fault codes can be reset and if they dont come up again its sorted.
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SBSD
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Posted: 17-February-2005 at 10:17 | |
The plot thickens... Been for the 'plug in' and its thrown up an 82 (Undocumented) Starting not to like this car. |
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SBSD
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 12:10 | |
Just popped in to see an independant specialist who also seems to think its the ICV, will know for sure tomorrow though, its booked in for a diagnostic, so there's light at the end of the tunnel.
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SBSD
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Posted: 13-February-2005 at 14:21 | |
Damn, didn't realize they carried such a hefty pricetag. I'll get it on to a specialist next week and run codes, see whats what, then take it from there. Thanks again. |
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