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PikeyM3 
Really Senior Member I
E30 M3
Joined: 31-May-2003
Location: Cheltenham - Uk
Status: Offline
Points: 438
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 Posted: 12-December-2004 at 16:42 |
Honda S2000 2.0 Vtec engine, 240 bhp thats 120bhp/litre. N/a engine. 
Pikey
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Old enough to know better, too young to care!
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GT6-M3
Senior Member II
Joined: 11-August-2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 237
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Posted: 12-December-2004 at 17:36 |
That's true, and some of the lesser Type R engines also have 100bhp/litre, and all use variable cam timing devices.
EDIT> Also, another contributing factor to Hondas power figures it the insane ceiling they put on the revs in their engines :)
Edited by GT6-M3
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mogart1
Groupie
Joined: 01-February-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 90
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Posted: 12-December-2004 at 18:48 |
Hi there all, I love this kind of banter and have 2 comments to make, comparing evolutions of M's to the devolution of the Golf GTi is VERY insulting and a misplaced comparison to the evolution of the M marque. The mk1 and 2 great, the mk3 GTi should have been badged 'LX' or something equally derogatry (Sp?). What a horrible mess of a description of a car, I mean 0-60 in OVER 10 secs!! GTi ... not.
So why are E30 M3's and E36 M3's so different to be not be comparable?, they have more in common than any other cars out there....based on a saloon car, and fitted with a tweaked engine nat asp, chassis / handling enhancements and rear wheel drive with no driver aids (bar some of the later e36 evo's). The E30 was not exactly a lightweight in its time, as the e36 is, it just grew a bit like every single car does when it evolves, but essentially the same DNA?
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Jonners
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 23-September-2003
Status: Offline
Points: 601
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Posted: 13-December-2004 at 05:37 |
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now come along there please...
e30 m3 is sunstantially different in all depts, developed as a homologation special
e36 m3 just a different version of the e36, aimed primarily at hairdressers and dj's
racing pedigree as against teeth and knickers....
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mogart1
Groupie
Joined: 01-February-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 90
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Posted: 15-December-2004 at 06:54 |
Developed as a homologation means not that much. It's just a way of funding a project, by building road and cost compromised versions of a race car.
Yes, the incentive is different, the E30 M3 road car was produced from required suspension pick up points and base engine, and its required form to fit in suitable tyres, but the E36 was a development of setting up the existing road car into a fast road car, so the final objective is the same. If we were all racing on tracks, the outcome of this argument would be different, but we are not, owners of both are just taking pride in enjoying ownership of a well set up road car, which is usable for track days out of the box.
Both projects were worked by the same engineering team, with the same goals. Fast road cars to deliver a useable high performance car. E36's were raced, I am sure there must have been some feedback into the design from there.
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M3 S50 Saloon 'Individual'
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m3kuk
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 19-November-2002
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 267
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Posted: 15-December-2004 at 07:01 |
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How 'fast' can you go sitting on the wrong side?
If there's a 'Shootout' between all 3 models,they
should be std cars..
I'm up for it!
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PJSM3
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 22-July-2003
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 468
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Posted: 15-December-2004 at 11:53 |
 m3kuk wrote:
How 'fast' can you go sitting on the wrong side?
If there's a 'Shootout' between all 3 models,they
should be std cars..
I'm up for it! |
And (with same driver, all standard cars) my guess would be E30 slowest, then E36, then E46 fastest.........
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mansfa
Senior Member I
Joined: 13-February-2003
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 147
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Posted: 15-December-2004 at 12:20 |
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Haven driven both on the road I cannot see how a standard E30 would come close to an E36 EVO in most situations. in a 10/10ths trackday the E30 might have a handling edge ....
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Stone-IslandV8
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 31-January-2003
Location: North Somerset
Status: Offline
Points: 3015
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Posted: 15-December-2004 at 12:35 |
Jonners wrote:
now come along there please...
e30 m3 is sunstantially different in all depts, developed as a homologation special
e36 m3 just a different version of the e36, aimed primarily at hairdressers and dj's
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Arent you thinking of MGs or Boxsters or Seats or Type Rs etc etc?
Developed for hairdressers and djs? I think you mean pimps and dealers.........damn,change job again or sell car and get one aimed at bald plasterers.
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