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    Posted: 09-March-2003 at 11:45

Is the extra MPG and performance worth the extra cost of using High Octain Lead Free (98 ron).  As it seems in short supply localy I will have to travel to find some.  Any one have any views??

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-March-2003 at 12:54

I only use my BM's high days and holidays, so I always use super unleaded, however I think if I were to use them as commuter transport then I think it would get rather expensive.  In that case I'd use 'normal' unleaded, that's just a personal point of veiw though.  I don't think the very slight performance increase, and I mean slight, would be worth the massive increase in cost...!

I have read in magazines that BM's run better on super unleaded, however I've also spoken to alot of mechanics that say otherwise, and that running on 'normal' unleaded is fine.  Both my BM's are between 13 and 16 years old, so running them on super just gives them a bit more bite in the rear end, if you know what I mean.  I think at the end of the day it's up to the individual, and on how deep one's pocket are....like I said I don't run my cars that often!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-March-2003 at 21:13

I always use Optimax and noticed that my car always seemed to run better on it and seem more responsive, on the very odd occaision when I have had to use standard unleaded then the performance does seem to drop of slightly, this could just be mind games but although Optimax is a little more expensive I think that the car is worth it and if you are already paying stupid UK prices for standard petrol then another couple of pence per litre is hardly going to break the bank.

In the end go with your own feelings, if you can run a tank of unleaded then when empty'ish go for a tank of Optimax and then see how you get on and which one you prefer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-March-2003 at 15:58
I've noticed similar results, run optimax for a while and the car did feel a little better through the revs but as Mr Mo - Fo says the cost is only a few pence more so i use it where i can if only to put a better quality fuel in as the crappy 95 octane unleaded really isn't up to much compared to old leaded fuel. mines an 88 so not cat to worry about.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-March-2003 at 16:02
I agree with Mr Mo-Fo in that running it on optimax makes a slight difference but the extra cost i think is justified by the better quality of the fuel, normal 95 octane unleaded leaves alot to be desired compared to old leaded fuel as far as caring for the engine goes, but my car is supposedly tuned for 95 octane (1988 325i) so the performance benefits of higher octanes are limited anyway.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-March-2003 at 16:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-March-2003 at 15:10

If i remember correctly Evo magazine did a comparison between Optimax and 'supermarket' petrol to see if there was actually a difference (I'll try to find the mag and post more info if anyone is interested).From what I recall though it took a couple of fill ups of Optimax before they noticed a difference in the way the vehicles drove.What was hugely different though was when they had the engines taken apart,the Optimax ran cars were so much cleaner with there being virtually no carbon deposits whatsoever on the valves etc.

Unfortunately I cant take advantage of this fuel as the only Shell garage close to me closed down after 'supermarket' petrol arrived.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-March-2003 at 18:56

I have seen this discussed before on countless other forums. There are always people that think that, whatever their car, just by putting 97RON in their tank instead of 95RON, they will get an instant power boost. Unfortunately, this is bollocks. The higher octane fuel simply resists knocking more than the lower octane fuel. If your engine has been designed to run on 95RON fuel, you will see no difference in performance, just an increase in cost.

Some cars have knock sensors, which detect pinking and retard the ignition when it occurs. In this case, it is possible to design the engine to run optimally on high octane fuel, while still allowing low octane fuel to be used without causing damage. An example of this would be the Subaru Impreza Turbo, and I suspect the higher performing BMWs (M3, M5 etc.) are designed this way too. In this case, higher octane fuel will give you more power, particularly at low revs, since the ignition isn't being retarded from its optimal point.

Basically, unless you have something like an M5, you're not likely to notice any power difference, since all the "normal" models will be disigned to run optimally on "normal" unleaded.

Also, you will see NO improvement in mpg.

As paul325i and micky_h say, though, the more expensive fuels like Optimax tend to have better detergents and other aditives in them, which may take more care of your engine. Bear in mind that supermarkets get their fuel from the same refinaries as the branded petrol stations though - there's not as much difference as you might think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-March-2003 at 14:15
Right then in this weeks Autocar a reader asked the question if it made any difference using 95 or 97 ron fuel in his 318i and the answer was no.Unless the car is turbo charged or has a learning ecu.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-March-2003 at 17:42
Would you say the 97RON burns cleaner, and if so would you say that it would be better for older engines as there could be less carbon build up. I don't know as I'm only summising in the way that it might burn in comparison with 95RON. As for performance, I realy haven't noticed any difference and I've re-fueled the last 3 times now with 97RON. (Could be psychoscematic with respect that you believe the performance to increase?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-March-2003 at 13:45
No, it does not burn cleaner. You will get no performance or economy improvements whatsoever through using high octane fuel in your car (320i). Save yourself some money and use standard 95RON.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-March-2003 at 19:02
Have now gone back to 95RON, thanks for the comments.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-March-2003 at 22:54
If your car does not pink on normal unleaded then you don't need super unleaded.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-March-2003 at 19:20

Yes, but as well as a higher octane rating, Shell Optimax also claims to contain a much higher quality detergent relative to "ordinary" petrol.

The cleaner engine parts which the tests in Evo displayed were as a result of the detergent component of Optimax, not the higher octance rating. Having a cleaner engine will be beneficial whatever car you drive.

My wife (924S, Impreza Turbo) and I (M5, 911) both use Optimax in all our cars. She says that she can definately see a difference in both performance and fuel consumption. I'm not so sure.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-March-2003 at 21:50

Interestig topic, i hear that it is only when run for some 1000 miles or so on a usedengine that that the benefit of optimax will be felt. However i have just traded in a seat for my BMW, i ran it on nothing else but optimax and on the odd occasion i was forced to fill up with other fule the car did feel less responsive lower down the rev range.

 

I too read the Evo test which showed gains in engine performance, huge on the civic type r and significant on the z3m and the jaguar and also showed engines had benefitted internally from the additives which had cleaned the valves up, the BMW if i remember was spotless before optimax anyway, it was the honda which showed signs of "supermarket" petrol. I cannot believ for one minute that Tesco petrol is on a par with optimax etc, there was a story run a few years back when asda had to stop doing petrol because their brand was actualy damaging peoples engines!

 

I have just changed from an 01/51 car to a 1990 H 320 i SE and will be running optimax all the time. Not only will it help to maintain the engine i personally think its worth the extra cost.

 

Interestingly when i was part of the seat forum some people had a conversion on the Leon/ibiza turbo where you could have an engine management upgrade which at the flick of a switch could swop between 95 and optimax, the difference if correctly set up was about 20 bhp...so it must be doing something right!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-March-2003 at 16:23
Quote: Originally posted by dlg_e30 on 27-March-2003

I have just changed from an 01/51 car to a 1990 H 320 i SE and will be running optimax all the time. Not only will it help to maintain the engine i personally think its worth the extra cost.


Obviously the marketing department at Shell has done a good job then...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-March-2003 at 19:15

No not the marketing department! I read the review in a magaizine which i trust and enjoy reading who showed physical evidence of the improvement in performance and engine cleanliness internally which can only be a good thing!

 

why be sceptical, some things do just what they say on the tin.!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-March-2003 at 20:09
You say that it has no affect on the performance of the car, but even if it doesn't it most definately makes my car run alot smoother than 95ron after about a tank full so if i'm feeling flush then i'll definately spend out on it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-April-2003 at 15:03

OK, maybe I'm a bit cynical, but I get that way when it's suggested I should pay even more for fuel! I haven't read this report in Evo that people are citing - I shall have to see if I can get hold of a copy of that issue. Anyone know which issue it was?

I guess the cleaning effects of Optimax are possibly worth the extra cash, especially if you're thinking of keeping your car for a long time. I wouldn't want to pay for the higher octane rating though.

Paul - your engine is quite modified IIRC - new filter, exhaust and chip? In this case, the increased octane rating may be beneficial.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-April-2003 at 21:21

Yeah your right there, plus it doesn't get a gentle drive that often so i think the optimax may be more noticable to somebody like me.

We pay to much fo petrol full stop mate, my girlfriend moans about their fuel being nearly a dollar fifty a gallon in america, then she heard what ours was all she could do was laugh, actually thought i was joking.



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