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    Posted: 10-August-2004 at 20:01

Recently bought a 1987 635CSI Auto, in generally good condition - I now have a few questions, which you might be able help me with.

(1) Oil - what Oil should I be using in the car? I have heard horror stories about Synthetic oil in old cars - any recommendations for a specific make / grade?

(2) The manual for the car mentions an "independant fuel burning heater" - I've never seen anything like these before, is it standard fit, and are they safe to use?? Looks like it could be useful for defrosting the car, as it has a timer function.

(3) The car exhibits an occasional vibration through the steering under braking, and also sometimes at higher speeds when cruising. It's not major, but I'd like to sort it. Other than the obvious things (brake discs, balancing, tracking) what else could be causing this?

(4) I get occasional rough running/cutting out at slow speeds / pulling away - after a swift "booting" down the nearest A-Road, this goes away, but again I'd like to sort it. Any ideas? Disi cap etc....

(5) The A/C doesn't!! The fan works, but on turning on the A/C, the speed of the air coming from the vents is reduced, but it never gets cool. Is it worth re-gassing the system, or is it more likely to be something more serious, eg compressor. Is there an easy way of identifying what is going wrong with the A/C system, before taking it to a specialist?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-August-2004 at 20:25

Hi, I hope your '6' gives you as much driving pleasure as the rest of usenjoy, and not too much aggro.

1) l run my 6 (same year as yours) on an API SG spec (or better) mineral oil. Since it must be changed by time as well as mileage my oil does not go beyond 4000 miles. This being the case there is no special advantage to synthetic oils IMHO unless you have tuned your 635 and the oil runs a lot hotter. In fact on an engine that has done a few miles it is a good idea to change the oil more regularly than the recommended interval.

2) Not standard equipment. If yours has it fitted it will be the first one in the UK I have seen (although it is not something I have been specially looking out for).

3) The 6 is very sensitive to wheel balance, much more so than lots of other cars I have owned. The vibration at speed is almost certainly due to this. Likewise new discs are not a lot of money and they only need to be thickness variant by 1/4 of a thou to cause a vibration. They go out on autos because the disc may be squashed by the brake pedal when it is really hot (eg pulling up sharp on the M25...). The E28/E24 steering is needlessly complex and any slop in the ball joints is a bad thing. In addition, front suspension bushings are a weak spot. A lot of people upgrade to a modified 750iL part which is stronger, or fit polyurethane bushes.

4) Could be a duff fuel pump or more likely fuel pump relay (or even the DME one). The latter are the ones added apparently as an afterthought on the fuse box just above the battery where they are subject to corrosion....Remove and clean as a first step.

5) Might just need a re-gas (leaks out thorugh the compressor seals if not used regularly), but if it is running on R12 refrigerant you will need to have it converted. This subject is worth a separate thread on its own, but a cheap option is apparently to use a combination gas, although it reduces efficiency. A full conversion to R134 is likely to be a lot more money as all the seals and the condenser/dryer need to be changed (I am told... any comments anyone?) 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-August-2004 at 22:34
Air Con - I had my air con converted last year by Munich Legends. Their price was very reasonable and performance has been excellent. They do not change seals etc etc because they have not found it necessary. They include a treatment for the interior of the pipes to offset the higher heat which arises with R134. So do not be afraid of the cost - and the benefits this summer have been essential. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-August-2004 at 08:24

1.  Vibration under braking can be a number of things as suggested however there are other classic culprits.  One is the control arm bushings which can be changed for milled down 750 bushes which are much wider.  Also the steering idler arm (links the main steering arm to the body on the inlet side) can cause your sympthoms as well.

2.  Cutting out - does your car have an electronic idle control valve (3 wires will go to it.  If it's two wires then it's a bi-metallic type).  If it does have the electronic control valve then this could be the problem.  Remove and spray with carb cleaner to lossen it up a bit as it is not responding when the Throttle Poistion switch shows closed throttle.  What speed does your car idle at.  Does it have a fast idle when stone cold?

I run mobil 1 in my rebuilt M635 engine - no issues yet!  Castrol GTX Magnatec should be fine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-August-2004 at 22:18

Thanks for the replies all....

Re  - Air Con, what is a "very reasonable" cost to have it converted? If it is less than regassing/new compressor combination, I could be interested....

I'd have been doing a bit more reading about the steeing problems, I think some of my concerns are due to "slopiness" in the straightahead position, which it appears may be due to the use of re-circ. ball mechanism, rather than rack and pinion. There is some vibration as well, but I guess the discs are the prime suspect here.

Re rough-running, the car idles at about 800'ish RPM, which is (IIRC) a little higher than a couple of other sixes I tested (about 600rpm I seem to remember). When I picked the car up, the owner started it up, and it started first turn. After that, I drove it a short distance to pick up fuel, after which it kept cutting out/stalling, until I was able to "floor it", after which it has peformed ok, so I think maybe a new battery, disi cap and rotor are in order, plus a thorough clean of any connectors.

One last thing....where can I get a Haynes manual or similar? Does such a thing exist for a 6-series, or do I need to get one for a 5/7 series with the same engine?

And one more last thing :-) My car has none-standard 17" wheels/tyres, which seem to give a nice enough ride/handling, even at the risk of upsetting the purists....problem is....how would I find out the correct tyre pressure to use for this car/tyre combination?

Thanks for your suggestions

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-August-2004 at 22:41

Haynes used to do a manual for the E28 but the best one is the Bentley manual at £44.  Look on Amazon - I got mine (new) for £27.

I'm running 17" tyres at 34 psi all round which seems ok.

A good service from a specialist with knowledge of the E24 and/or M30 engine will be money well spent.

Expect to replace some if not all bushing in the front suspension at some point in the near future. Sixes eat bushes!!! fnah, fnah!

Which part of the country are you in?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-August-2004 at 22:42
Originally posted by sharknose sharknose wrote:

...Re rough-running, the car idles at about 800'ish RPM, which is (IIRC) a little higher than a couple of other sixes I tested (about 600rpm I seem to remember)...



My 1983 Six has always idled at around 800rpm. No particular problems with this.

Originally posted by sharknose sharknose wrote:

One last thing....where can I get a Haynes manual or similar? Does such a thing exist for a 6-series, or do I need to get one for a 5/7 series with the same engine?



Er, depends whether you want to look around the motor book dealers for a badly-photocopied BMW workshop manual for the Six, or shell out £85-ish for BMW's authorised all-singing, all-dancing CD-ROM version:



...which you can find HERE.

You might also find it worthwhile to invest another £42 or so in the spare parts CD-ROM:



which will save you time in identifying part numbers, etc. for the E24, plus a goodly number of older BMWs too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-August-2004 at 07:28
Originally posted by AndyS AndyS wrote:

Haynes used to do a manual for the E28 but the best one is the Bentley manual at £44.  Look on Amazon - I got mine (new) for £27.

Which part of the country are you in?

Is this the Bentley manual you refer to? I suspect not as it seemed a bit more of a history of the 6 series than a manual....

http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=GBS6

....and, I'm based in the Midlands, well, at least the car is, I'm all over the place at the moment!!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2004 at 19:32

No, that's not it. That's an over-priced, badly produced, "updated" guide to the Six with an irritating American bias added later.  I digress.

The service manual is ISBN 0-8376-0318-8 entitled BMW 5 Series 1982-88.  Don't worry, underneath the Six is pretty much all E28 535.

On Amazon, look at "new & second-hand" for the bargains.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-August-2004 at 22:05
As for tyre pressures on 17" wheels i would run 30psi at the front and 32psi at the rear. This is what ML's recomended to me when i was running 17's.
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