sticky tyres

Big Vern.

Are you familiar with the West Yorkshire plods driving school in Wakefield... the place with the big skid pan and helicopter pad.

Well, thats my old 'hood and I have been out with those guys quite a few times (they like to show off).. the main guy back then used to give me some driving lessons before I passed my test..

.. anyway, back to the point..
You will have to forget all that plod taught you if you want to be on the pace around Croft..
..and if you do catch up with the guy in front, try not to 'fill' his rear view mirror just as he commits to the corner!

If you want an application form.. let me know.. if you pay up now it will give you a good reason to fettle the six.

Nick, Croft'04

grant w wrote: says nothing on my form about eligibilty ..

Grant..I think it is on the back of the form you have to sign and return. If it is, it would explain why I can't find it on any of my paperwork. Should have taken a copy

Not sure whats gone on here but i think i have different forms from other people. The club have contacted me to try resolve the situation and try to find out who sent me the forms. They came in a stamped envelope whereas the club office use a franking machine... strange. Anyway i said id post em back but instead il bring them on saturday and find a club official to pass them on to.

one day left and still no answer on the track tyre issue ..

Recieved my ticket & track pass (just 1 session)today. Arrived in a hand written but franked envelope. I applied via the web and filled out the same application form that has arrived today (blue).

Nowhere on the blue form, the scrutineering form or the 'Rules of the Day' does it mention what tyres are /are not allowed. This last piece of paper is titled Track Days@ BMW Car Club. Surely if the club is trying to differentiate between its BDD and track days, it would be a good idea to head the paperwork 'Better Driving Day'.

Although I am running on road tyres I fully support those wishing to use 'R' tyres. Having competed in motorsport for 18 yrs I know that R tyres are better suited to track driving. I use road tyres on my M3 at te Ring where they have held up very well (I believe due to the nature of the circuit), however, 8 laps of Castle Combe last year took the fronts from being half worn to nearly illegal. I expect someone will accuse me of overdriving my car or similiar but I do not believe that to be the case. I know that had I been using R tyres this would not have happened.

Regarding transferring knowledge gained on BDD/ track days to road driving and the use of R tyres.....if you argue that using R tyres gives you a false impression that cannot be the same as road tyres on the road, then you also have to say that using the correct driving/racing line on track is also false as you can't go taking the line on the road without crossing the white line. Unless you know the road exceptionally well you won't know the apex anyway and you are unlikely to have a clear view of all the corner. In this day and age it is virtually inpossible to use any of our cars anywhere near their limits on the road anyway without the attention of the police/ cameras etc.

Hmm....this seemed so much easier to put into words when talking to the missus, trying to write what I mean is frustrating

Whatever.........I'll see you guys at Rockingham

Oh..one final thing, as mentioned,I'm only doing one session, do I still need to be there before 8.30,is there only one drivers briefing?

Cheers

thanks nick
there's no time left to organise wheels and tyres , all i wanted was a YES or a NO , then i could have got another set of wheels and tyres , just put a new set of S02's on the e30 m3 so there's no way i'm ruining them on the track , if i get excluded it'll still be cheaper then taking a day off work and buying another set of wheels and tyres , or ruining my new S02's , we'll see what happens ..
m3moose
you got the same paper work as me , mine arrived last saturday ..

Edited by grant w

Dear Mmm.
The trackday organisation you mention work to our time proven format. They use a lot of our instructors and we tend to have a lot of the same members.
They do indeed rightly or wrongly allow a wider tyre choice.. but they do cater for a slightly different market.. they are not club based, but were set up to sell trackdays and make a profit from them like any other comercial organisation..
Our brief is simply to break even on the cost of the event.
You seem to praise them highly but forget that we had a part in the way they (and others) have evolved.. some may say that we taught them all they know.

I forgot my briefing notes at Croft a few years back.. Bookatrack helped me out by faxing some of theirs over!

The tyre thing is set to rage on.. I can see it splitting the club. Most of you know my feelings on the issue. I love the Car Club and I love Croft, I hate the bad feeling this issue is causing.
When I started Croft way back in '96.. no one had stickies, Yoko A510's were the choice of many.. slicks were not allowed on road cars.. and everything was hunky dory..

.. I'm rambling again, should be doing my VAT return instead..

Have a good day at Rocky tomorrow.. If you want to find out more about Croft'04 Kevin or Grant should be there to tell you all about it.

Nick Wright

 This Subject!!!!!!!!! as if you didnt know-is going to Run & Run.Some heated comments,some spot on . ME-Yoko,s A048R,s-Just cool it for 30 secs.At The "Rock"we talked about " Performance Better Driving Days",as it WAS!!!!!!!, and as it  NOW is!.Very Few of you know why the BMW Car Club GB,  has to comply with to-days constant threat of  litigation and being SUED for Megga Bucks, because Dude BOY wanted to prove something, at a PBDD on Track. The insurance world is all about RISK factors, and if claims for a particular type of event start to increase, ALARM bells go off, and shut down begins.So, the Pro,s of the Industry say, "SPEED" is the Problem!!!(So, where did you hear that before).The "Stickies" are the easy option, like  Scamera,s.Insurance companies say, IF you do NOT take action, we will not insure the Club.The club must decide , Yes-No.SO, before your Blood pressure starts to get megga,like mine, FOCUS your anger on the Insurance Industry and life as it IS in 2004, NOT-- the Club good Guys & Girls, for them -its A No-WIN situation.

                                       SAFETYFAST

No trackday tyres at a bmw BDD .


that does'nt include slicks then ?? ..

Sounds like one of my days at Croft.. but more expensive!

Nick, Croft'04

£140
open pit,
maximum 50 entries
Plenty of instruction foc
Proper Yorkshire pub lunch (not a burger van)
The best briefing, marshaling and schooling setup bar none.
Porsches, Ginettas and Mini Coopers for hire
Full use of pit lane facilites.
parts van and mechanic.
The best Driver of the Day trophy you ever saw.. puts the FA Cup to shame!
BMWCC members only.. run by club members.