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    Posted: 17-February-2004 at 09:30

Guys, this seems to be something that crops up from time to time when checking through the cars of sale columns in magazines. It seems like every second pre-1998 e39 or other models with 6 cylinder engines has had the engine replaced due to this problem. I've heard that frequent stop/starting or certain fuel types can cause this problem. Is it inevitable that every engine will have this problem, or can it be prevented ?.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-February-2004 at 09:37
Adrian

You right - it affects pre 98 6 cylinder engines across the model range but also the v8's as well.

Its to do with the lining in the engine and the grade of fuel we use. The fuel is basically eating away at engine.

You can tell if a car has this problem by starting the car from cold and if the car starts to vibrate then it has the nickasil issue.

BMW did a warranty jobbie on engines with this problem in the UK but I dont know about Ireland and have never heard of anyone over here with the problem - that doesnt mean to say that it deosnt exist here!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-February-2004 at 17:31

A 96 reg 523i I saw in autotrader had a replacement engine fitted @ 97k miles because of the nikasil issue. Don't know if it was a warranty job though.

As Eamo says - open the drivers door & start the engine. If the door is shaking then the engine is ********.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-February-2004 at 22:00
Thanks guys. Mine is fine, just wondering what the telltale signs are and how it can be prevented.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-February-2004 at 09:31
theres nothing can do to stop it unfortunately - maybe change to a 518!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-February-2004 at 09:35
Telltale signs are hard starting when cold, rough running, poor idling, oil consumption - but symptoms get better as the engine heats up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-February-2004 at 09:39
Definetly not changing to a 518. Any v12's on the market ( Ha Ha). I guess i'll just have to start praying that bit more. Maybe devine intervention will save my motor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-February-2004 at 20:32

I had my 323i engine replaced by BMW last year “as a good will gesture” The only symptoms mine had was excessive use of oil (1litre every 1000 miles) apart from that it was sweet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-February-2004 at 22:12
Dave, did you have a full BMW service history? Was this all with the same dealer who replaced the engine?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-February-2004 at 00:07
All E39's manufactured after march '98 were fitted with the new Alusil lined engine. But be careful, it's manufactured/built after march '98, not registered, as theses cars could well be built Jan/Feb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-February-2004 at 00:10
Originally posted by AHEALY AHEALY wrote:

Guys, this seems to be something that crops up from time to time when checking through the cars of sale columns in magazines. It seems like every second pre-1998 e39 or other models with 6 cylinder engines has had the engine replaced due to this problem. I've heard that frequent stop/starting or certain fuel types can cause this problem. Is it inevitable that every engine will have this problem, or can it be prevented ?.



Hi Adrian,
Just wondering what you did to extract the extra 30bhp from your 523i? I assume it was standard 170bhp.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-February-2004 at 10:16

Robbie, well I think it was 22bhp extra actually, but 200 was a nice round number. An 17bhp from the chip re-mapping with Logic Automotive in Rathcoole (€400), and 5bhp from the k&n filter (€70), which I had to order from the States. Not on the market in Uk or Europe.

I also have a performance manifold and exhaust system on order from Super sprint, which incidentally is going to set me back a whopping €1,800. Think of me, when its my round at the bar. Anyways, the new system is supposed to add a further 15-20bhp.

Will I ever learn. My family think i'm mental spending that amount of money on a car. Do you have the same problem.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-February-2004 at 21:38

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Dave, did you have a full BMW service history? Was this all with the same dealer who replaced the engine?

Hi Killian,

The car had done 86000 miles had Maine dealer service up to 60,000 (first 3 year rep car) then the rest over the next 4 year at a local none BMW garage with no history.

 I had owned the car for 3months (3rd owner) when I took it to the dealers (it had been there once in its early years, but not purchased there) to get it looked at for excessive use of oil (I knew what it probably was the Nikosil but had been told this dealers “Benhams” are very helpful with this issue by my local Independent specialist ). I left the car all day when I picked it up the same night they said it was "bore wear" have been in touch with BMW UK and for me not to worry as BMW USUALLY contribute to the cost but could say no more until they are faxed back (no mention of service or anything). The main dealer got back in touch to say BMW will contribute 100% to parts and labour (don’t you love BMW) I only had to pay for consumables (oil, Antifreeze etc)  £80  

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-February-2004 at 09:55
That was a good result Dave
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-February-2004 at 10:02
That sounds very promising. It's likely so that BMW Ireland are aware of the problem through BMW UK and are replacing the clapped out engines free of charge provided they haven't been abused. Incidentally, what would be the list price, and standard fitting cost of a new 6 cylinder engine, say 2500cc. Does anyone know whether being a Club member helps in any way when dealing with BMW ?. Would using high octane fuel, say 98, help slow down the wear on an engine or is this open to debate. Have proper studies been done on this problem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-February-2004 at 10:23
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All i can say is I went to look at an e36 323 a few years ago. I didnt know as much then as I did now but was aware of the Nickasil. I asked the BMW sales rep if the engine had been replaced due to the Nickasiil issue.

His reposnse was .... "the what issue??? never heard of it!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-February-2004 at 18:53

Originally posted by AHEALY AHEALY wrote:

That sounds very promising. It's likely so that BMW Ireland are aware of the problem through BMW UK and are replacing the clapped out engines free of charge provided they haven't been abused. Incidentally, what would be the list price, and standard fitting cost of a new 6 cylinder engine, say 2500cc. Does anyone know whether being a Club member helps in any way when dealing with BMW ?. Would using high octane fuel, say 98, help slow down the wear on an engine or is this open to debate. Have proper studies been done on this problem.

I asked if it was ok if I see the paper work, £2600 all in. If I remember rightly (don’t quote me though) it was less than £700 for the short engine (I think they called it that).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-February-2004 at 19:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-March-2004 at 11:36

Originally posted by Eamo Eamo wrote:

You can tell if a car has this problem by starting the car from cold and if the car starts to vibrate then it has the nickasil issue.

I checked this the other day.  I opened the drivers door and started from cold.  Sure enough the door shaked on startup...I think you'd expect that just from the vibration caused by the engine starting, but after 3-4 seconds it was solid as a rock.  Should I be concerned.  98k miles and about 9k miles since last oil change and only burned a very small amount.  No more than normal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-March-2004 at 13:21

Hey Tom,

There are a few signs of the Nickasil problem, the driver's door is one, significant increase in oil consumption is another and also from my experience, mine would not start in cold weather. That has something to do with the fact that the cylinder(s) is wearing away and the cold air has an affect on the compression in the engine.

I was advised to take mine to a BMW dealer where they would do a compression test and/or a leak down test to confirm the problem.

Hope this helps.

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