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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 22-May-2004 at 22:23 |
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Eamo
Moderator Group Joined: 13-May-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 3450 |
Posted: 22-May-2004 at 22:21 |
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Andy T
Newbie Joined: 22-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 22-May-2004 at 07:37 |
Hey All
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 16-May-2004 at 14:36 |
Hi Watched a few threads where this has come up and wanted to share $0.02 worth. BMW updated the engines from week 10 production of 1998. Its important to verify build date either on build plate under bonnet or BMW Customer Service in UK (don't have the number to hand) will tell you if its in the Nikasil range if you give them the chassis number. The link attached gives the best analysis I have found. Its not a foregone conclusion that all will have it, or get it. Made the checks I could when I bought my 44k mile fsh '97 523i in UK and all seemed fine. In the 18 months since then I've added about 30k and it doesn't use a drop of oil between services (main dealer). The precautions I take are to dip it regularly and buy good brands of fuel. A couple of years ago I looked at a '96 323i Coupe from a well known "high end" dealer in D4. Dip stick was practically dry. 18 months later I happened on the same car for sale again. Seller said the engine had blown during his ownership (he didn't know I'd seen it before) and that BMW had paid for the parts and he paid for the labour. So there are cases of BMW Irl making an effort. Would think that the chances of a gesture is stronger now that BMW GB are distributing here - since they seem to accept that it is a relatively common issue in UK, but reckon a main dealer history would make the arm twisting easier. The problem seems to affect 320i's as well, you don't see references to it in the UK because there were no e36 320's sold once the 323 and 328's were introduced in 1995. Not sure at what point the 320 switched from M50 to M52 engine. M3's not affected, nor e34 5's (except V8's) or 4 cylinder cars. All 3.0 and 4.0 V8's potentially affected, 3.5's and 4.4's are OK - all e39 V8's were all 3.5 and 4.4. |
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Skillie
Really Senior Member I Joined: 20-April-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 349 |
Posted: 07-May-2004 at 11:53 |
The prob was at its worst in the North of england where the high sulphur cheapo petrol had bad reaction with the Nikasil block
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03 Nissan 350Z 98 E36 318i Touring Previous: 94 E34 520i (FOR SALE needs engine but running and cheap as chips) 95 E36 328i Coupe 95 E36 316iSE Saloon |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 04-May-2004 at 09:29 |
It has affected Irish cars!
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Skillie
Really Senior Member I Joined: 20-April-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 349 |
Posted: 04-May-2004 at 09:23 |
If your car is irish and has always been running on irish sold fuel you should be ok. This issue effected 6 pot cars run on low grade fuel in the UK mainly think was in the northwest. As far as I'm aware irish cars are fine. My 328iS is English but its fine and purrs like a kitten on idle |
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03 Nissan 350Z 98 E36 318i Touring Previous: 94 E34 520i (FOR SALE needs engine but running and cheap as chips) 95 E36 328i Coupe 95 E36 316iSE Saloon |
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Mac
Senior Member II Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 200 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 16:49 |
When I suspected Nikasil, My local main BMW dealer did a compression test. They told me an hour later that the engine was on the way out. I took it back to where I bought it (Still within warranty) and was told that any investigation into this was going to be at my expense until a manufacturing fault (Premature Bore Wear AKA Nikasil) was proven. It passed the compression test and we are currently monitoring the oil consumption for the next 3000 miles. 1 K done and it has gone through 1.25 liters in 1000 miles. On another matter, the BMW used car warranty booklet has a line that more or less states that condition and mileage has a lot to do with warranty claims. I brought the oil consumption to the dealer’s attention and I was told that I could not expect the same sort of reliability out of a 97 car as a 04 model. I respect that opinion but 1.25 liters per thousand miles is, I think excessive. |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 15:45 |
Further to the Irish Qs about nikasil - does anyone know of situations whereby an engine was replaced within the 32 counties? Were there any costs - labour, fluids, etc.? |
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Mac
Senior Member II Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 200 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 15:42 |
Jumbo, Just wondering where in Ireland are you based. I've heard of Nikasil cases mainly in the Dublin area, just wondering if there are any more cases any where else ?? Mac..
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 28-April-2004 at 14:58 |
Brian, BMW will only carry out the work, which incidentally is a replacement engine block, if the car is showing symtoms of bore wear. If you are concerned then get a compression check done, however if it isn't showing any of the other symptoms, ie high oil consumpsion, uneven idle, poor starting from cold etc then don't worry about it. If it shows up after your warranty has expired there is still a good chance that BMW will fix it free of charge. They have done so for many people even when the vehicle has previously been serviced by non BMW garages. |
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Jumbo
Groupie Joined: 23-April-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 96 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 14:11 |
Great News Andy
One question , was the car in any type of Warranty. I like Mac am in Ireland and this Nikasil issue has my worried. I have a 1997 520i...I have a warranty until next March and want to make sure that if i need work done on the head that I get it done before the warranty is expired. |
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Mac
Senior Member II Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 200 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 10:52 |
Hey Andy, What were your symptoms. I think I have a Nikasil problem, I spoke to my dealer, they did a compression test and said everything was fine, topped up the oil and said monitor it for every 1000 Miles. Took it back yesterday after the first 1000 and it was down by 1.25 liters. I'm going back after another 1000. I know that it uses this much oil, but they want to see for themselves. I need to find out what's wrong quickly as my warranty expires in 2 months. Nikasil isn't very common over here in Ireland. My car is a 97 320I by the way...
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Andy T
Newbie Joined: 22-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 01:41 |
Hey All
Thanks to this forum and others for ALL the information about this issue of which I had no previous knowledge and for guiding me in the right direction on how to deal with this issue. Will of course let you know how the work progresses Many Thanks Andy T |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 00:39 |
Great news Andy - delighted for you! |
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Andy T
Newbie Joined: 22-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 28-April-2004 at 00:36 |
Hey All
GREAT NEWS!!! Just had a call from BMW Uk Head Office,they're gonna cancel the original order for just the engine and give Wollaston a new order for PARTS AND LABOUR!!! Total Amount £3.500 for the engine PLUS £900.00 Labour I am over the moon as you can understand,will let you know how i gt on. Looks like perserverence has paid off. Thanks Again for the words of encouragement Andy T |
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Andy T
Newbie Joined: 22-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 27-April-2004 at 01:04 |
Update!! NIKASIL ISSUE Hey All Again Good and Bad News Been told today by Dealer that BMW Uk will pay for the engine about £3,500 but not the labour which is about £900.00 As I was told by Customer servivces at Head Office last week that a regional manager would agree 100% parts and labour on only learning of the cars nikasil issue and 70,000 miles without knowing any other details of the car you could say I'm disapointed to say the least. I won't be leaving it there will be on the phone to BMW UK Head Office again tomorrow as this regional manager is coincidentally the regional manager for Wollaston in Northampton so cannot understand why he did not agree to cover labour aswell. Surely if they agree to replace the engine (As there was clearly a Nikasil issue)they cannot expect labour to not be included. Any Ideas why they would do this???? Will let you know the outcome Thanks Andy |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 22-April-2004 at 22:05 |
hopefully it goes your way Andy!
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Andy T
Newbie Joined: 22-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 16 |
Posted: 22-April-2004 at 17:12 |
Hey All NIKASIL?? My car just been for an engine check regarding the Nikasil issue,it needs a new engine,Wollaston BMW gonna apply for Goodwill payment for cost,328i se saloon ,70,000 on the clock,last 2 years non BMW dealer history,fingers crossed for replacement.BMW Head Office seem sure it will be OK but will let you know the result!!! Thanks Andy |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 01-April-2004 at 18:55 |
Went to look @ a 1996 523i just now (didn't have air con or leather so knew I didn't want it but Im getting desperate) Anyway So if you are looking for an E39, save yourself a wasted journey! |
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