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    Posted: 14-July-2004 at 09:52
Hi Mac,

from what I know he talked to bmw Ireland and they told him that the car was out of warrantee and over 60K miles. They told him that he would have to pay full costs. He then got his garage man in Monahan ( where he lives) to bring it up north and they firstly said that they would do it for I think 1600 stg. Then when he dropped the car in they said that they got on to bmw in Germany and they agreed to do it through warrantee. I just give him a bell there and he is actually picking it up today so when he does he will give me a call. If you email me I will give you details of the garage. As my brother suggested if all is ok under warrantee today, give them a bell and if they say that it is not under warrantee then you could name drop. It might work, you never know
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2004 at 13:40

Hi BMMAD,

With regard to your brother's car, he obviously tried his case with the dealers in the Republic. Any idea what were the grounds for refusal?

I called BMW GB yesterday and I was put onto a very helpful gentleman who explained that the goodwill contributions are still being done in the UK according to certain criteria, mainly being Service History and Mileage.

I'd be interested to hear the full story, if you could spare the time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2004 at 12:50
I also know that Murphy and Gunn have replaced one not so long ago. The trick is to be cool and not loose the head with them. I just read some info on it from another post, have a read of it and see what you think.
http://www.lestac.co.uk/bmw/nikasil.htm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2004 at 12:35

@ BMMad - that kinda story boils my blood. How can BMW Irl justify such a stance??? Fair enough it was a problem that, arguably, effected UK cars predominantly. But a load of BMWs in the IRL are UK imports. In fact, I've never owned a BMW that has been an Irish-registered car from day one. So for BMW Irl to wash their hands of it is a total disgrace. If BMW UK are still making provisions for warranty repair, why aren't BMW IRL? Are they just to lazy to go find out if there is provision made by the powers-that-be? We still have alot to learn about customer service here....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2004 at 12:21
My brother has a 523 with this problem, bmw in ireland said that they could only fix the engine at his own cost. He then went up to a bmw dealer in armagh and has just got the car back today with every fixed at no cost to him so if you have any contact up north it is worth giving it a try. by the way his car was 98 and bought in bolands in waterford I think with 85K miles on the clock
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-July-2004 at 00:04

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Interested to hear more about the short block kit, if you can share the details.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-July-2004 at 13:20

Hi Guys

A bit more update, BMW will not contribute at all to my repair but I have found out through dealers in Dublin that there is a short block kit specifically for repairing nikasil affected engines available for under 1000, the P/N is 11111438624, you can expect 8 hrs labour. This is for the 2 litre unit, YMMV!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-June-2004 at 22:13

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The 6cyl engines are expensive if they have to be replaced.  V8's are horrendous (I've heard stg3.5k parts and labour mentioned).  Doesn't surprise me that the dealer "hasn't heard" of the problem, its not in his interest to acknowledge it, and if he genuinely hasn't heard of it then this motor is out of his league.

My advice would be not to touch it at least until you've had a reasonable chance to make the necessary checks yourself (verify service history, cold start, check the dipstick, check with BMW Customer service) AND get it inspected, make sure that the inspector can do a compression test.  The margin for error is huge on these, relative to the purchase price.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-June-2004 at 17:55
Thanks, will make a note.
Drove an M reg 740, very smooth. Couldn't start it from cold as the dealer that was selling it came to find me as I got a bit lost, and he came in the car I went to see.
Found out there is a bit of difference between an E30 320i and an E38 740i. The chap didn't have a clue about Nikasil, or what it was, also said when asked that he doesn't think it burns any oil as he hasn't had it long.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-June-2004 at 22:42

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Both 3.0 and 4.0 V8 engines were affected.  I think door check needs to be done from cold as the engine electronics can compensate to some degree once the engine has warmed up.

Its worth taking a note of the VIN number and ringing BMW Customer Service to see if the engine was replaced.  Be creful though, the V8's started having this problem long before BMW realized what the problem was, so many original engines were replaced with new Nikasil lined engines rather than the steel liners.

Also, the 3.5 and 4.4 V8's have steel lined bores, so its worth looking out for an early one of these if you can stretch to it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-June-2004 at 01:20
Ben reading with interest on this Nikasil problem, I'm looking for a 7 series (E38) M reg or newer in the Yorkshire area (Iknow this is the Irish region forum, but I got the link from faq's). They generally have 140k on the clock, one has about 82k. These are 3litre and 4litre models (V8's) How much does the Nikasil problem affect these cars, specially at these mileages?
If I did the door check, would that mean if it didn't vibrate then theres no problem, or if it vibrates a bit on start up, but then stops on idle? Can you give a bulleted point list of things to watch out for.

Many thanks, Rhys.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-June-2004 at 03:26

Hey Padraic

check out this link ,may help you in this matter ,especially what happened regarding my car with the help of this forum

 http://www.bmwcarclubgb.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5681&KW=Andy+T&PN=0&TPN=1

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-June-2004 at 03:20

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Regarding your question ,the service advisor said it would be a 1 years warranty,still running smoothly and still got about 7-800 miles to run in yet (too much work not enough play)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-June-2004 at 10:29

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I will go to my local dealer in Ireland on Tuesday and relate to them what was said in the phonecall to customer service then hopefully my options will be clearer. I normally only go there for parts.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-June-2004 at 18:27

Is there another Dealer you can go to? I went to Benham's in Stockport (mainland UK) I was advised to go here by the specialist who services my car as the other 2 main dealers near me would not be anywhere as helpful.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-June-2004 at 18:01
Hi Folks
I called the customer services branch of BMW to-day. After a lenghty wait I discussed my case with a gentleman telling him that I had a 1997 E39 with 130K and a nikasil issue that I purchased 3 years ago in England.
He quite firmly explained that BMW would not discuss any case without a BMW dealer being consulted. He said that I must show a committment to their service before they would even consider my case. He suggested that at best there may be a contribution to the cost. I explained to him that The value of the car may not justify the cost of this type of repair at a BMW main dealer, he just replied that I had to make that call for myself.
I then asked what was the standard approach to making a repair to a nikasil affected car but he just said that they did not give out free technical advice, they have a subscription service for that but it is very expensive.
At this juncture I don't know what I will do next but quite frankly after 10 years of satisfactory BMW ownership I don't think I will be purchasing another. I feel that I have put my faith in their product and my expections have not been met. Bearing in mind that this car came through a prominent BMW dealership in Manchester only 3 years ago and they did nothing to redress the problem although they must have been aware of it, I don't feel that I can be expected to put faith in their service either.
I'll keep you posted if there are more developments.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2004 at 21:48

Guys

I'm based close to Limerick and use Keogh's for servicing, including my '97 523i.  I have a bunch of links and magazine articles covering the issue and can copy/share if it helps. 

It might help to describe your issue as being about bore wear and if I recall correctly Mike is the name of the service manager.  The service receptionist is helpful but has the mechanical know how of a gnat.

PM me if I can help.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2004 at 14:18

Padraig,

I too suspect I might have a Nickasil Engine, I live in Limerick, send a PM and we can compare notes...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2004 at 13:35

Hi all,

Got my 1997 E39 in Manchester 3 years ago, it has now got 130K miles and an oil usage of 3 litres/1000miles. Local dealer in Limerick has never heard of nikasil problem. 1800+VAT for new short block. I do all my own repairs so am not sure how BMW Ireland will react when I contact them on Monday.

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