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    Posted: 04-April-2011 at 00:10

Noticed one of the hose towards actuator is tightened by a cable tie! Not sure what kind of hose is this, it is wrapped in some sort of foil paper and it turns metallic and connected to the exhaust:

Is this how it is suppose to be?

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Today I managed to replace the seals on both the side of this pipe. It was moderately difficult DIY for me. I think this is must for all 335d and 535d owners to check their intercooler hose and replace the seals (or hose if hose is split) because so many of these bi-turbo engine suffer from leaky hose problem. It should have been a recall ideally. Here is the link for the DIY I have posted. All you need is a ramp so that you can reach the pipe from under the car and most tricky bit is to remove the top (turbo connection) end of the hose which took most of the time for me, otherwise it was all simple.

Drove the car for appx. 10 miles after finishing DIY and it 'seemed' turbo lag isn't there anymore; or atleast has reduced quite a lot. I can't confirm this 100% yet as it could be just in my mind; I will drive it for some more time and then report back. No oil leaking yet but it is too soon to conclude.

If this leak continues there isn't any option left but to change the whole pipe, there is no way any other (aftermarket or silicone) pipe will fit replacing this one unless heavily modded which IMO isn't worth it because of too much work involed. Biggest problem is reaching those hose end, intercooler side is easily reachable from underside but top end is bit difficult but still doable that too only from underside. Not worth doing if you haven't got a ramp.

Btw. gave a visit to halfords today and saw a lifting kit for £45, not a bad deal considering just the ramp doesn't come less then £20-25 on its own. I am not sure on the quality though. I didn't use this as I had a ramp but if I didn't I would bought this.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote afsar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-April-2011 at 17:18

Having read 'a lot' of forum I have got some idea about this problem BUT this (I mean oil leak from the red hose) would not cause lower rev turbo problem; however if the hose is split (totally gone) then the car will be undrivable and would hardly go above 60mph.

Getting this leak sorted is necessery but looks like I have more then one problem. I will fix this one first this weekend and see what difference it makes and then move on to the next bit.

According to the various thread floating on various forum small turbo problem could be a) Stuck actuator b) Non-functional valve c) Vaccum hose pipe(s)

Want to get this fixed before my europe trip starting coming long weekend.

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From the link I posted up on page 1,



this pretty much expalins it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote afsar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-March-2011 at 14:23
I enquired with BMW parts today and they told me that I
can buy seals separately if hose is not split or damaged.
Looking at the pictures above I didn't see any damage to
the hose itself, it is just covered with oil, that too
comes from the top. Looking at the part catalog it is
evident that upper seal part number was changed from
March 2009. Previous part number was 11617801974 updated
with 11618506786. There were no other changes to any
other component of this hose.

I have ordered both the seals to be on the safe side and
will get them replaced first.

Looking at the underside of the car it was not looking
too big job if you can do it from below. Has anyone tried
DIYing it before.

btw. leaking oil is one problem but why so much oil there
is another one, ideally from my (limited) knowledge only
dry air should flow from those pipes, why so much oil
will be present in the first place. Any idea? I am
pretty sure if this leak is fixed oil will be running
along the pipe in the intercooler and then back up to the
engine, is that not a problem? I could see oil
(relatively less) on the other side of intercooler pipe
connection too which I believe is coming from the leaky
red pipe.

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^^^ Yes, that is what it looks like..............

Silicone hoses would probably be from someone like Samco, I would guess, but not heard of that.

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Today I managed to get a glimpse of leak as car was lifted up for wheel caster problem repair at a bodyshop. Here is how bad it looks:

Oil all over the place on the tray.

Btw. I read on forums that you can replace this with better silicon pipes which are a bit better than the BMWs. Do you guys know where to get them from.

All set to get this sorted coming weekend or next week.

 

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The hoses changed appear to be vaccum hose that control the turbos wastegates and therefore boost levels.

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Did I say that my MPG has dropped gradually in past months, it has been above 35 (London traffic condition most of the time) and but currently it is just above 31. Maybe I am testing turbo's too much.



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Spoke to my dealership today to findout what parts where replaced under warranty when I reported turbo boost problem last year and they happily gave these two parts numbers:

11.74.7.797.129 and 11.65.7.796.857, basically item number 10 and 15 from the picture below

I am not sure where these pipes are located and whats condition of those ones, as far as I could see it was just the big red pipe (part number as given by Sporty1 above, big thanks for that mate) which is leaking.

I spoke to an independent BMW specialist called Phil from CPCPE and he told me that oil leak from the red pipe and so much lack of turbo boost at low rev may not be related. He continued saying this is very common issue with x35d twin turbo engines where a few blocked pipes can cause the low rev power loss. He quoted me £300 (parts and labour, parts he said is just around £20) to get a few turbo related hoses replaced. Phil said he has seen this problem before and fixed it this way. Regarding oil leak he said it is normal but without seeing it he can't say anything. A split or badly damaged red pipe, he said will cause total powerloss (you car won't go above 60 or so) and there won't be any performance at all. He reckons that your small turbo would be fine (big relief) and little bit of wetness near red pipe is normal.

I will get it fixed whichever way in next two weeks hopefully.

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BMW part # 1 161 796 293

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Good suggestion mate, I will speak to the dealership first.

The picture you posted above does not contain part number, my car is 2007 LCI model (M57N2) and closest part I could get was this.


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afsar, £160+VAT may well be their labour rate, but you yourself have said that they want £72 to diagnose the fault, let them do this, if the fault is then diagnosed as this pipe that has been fixed twice before then tell them of this fact and tell that all work carried out by them is covered under a 2 year parts and labour warranty.....

If they diagnose another issue then tell them not to proceed and take the car to a specialist for a second opinion.

Your lag issue is probably all part of the same issue, that pipe carries 'boosted' air from the turbos to the intercooler any leaks here will affect performance.


Pipe is part#1





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Am I right to think the red pipe is
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E60N/Sedan/Europe/53
5d-M57N2/RHD/N/2007/may/browse/engine/turbo_charger/#15

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Sporty1, that dealership charges £160+VAT/hr. as labour,
it will be a kind of gamble if I let them do it and they
do not honour any repair work done under warranty. Bill
can very easily go in the range of £500+ for revert the
shoddy work they have done previously. Also how do I
trust what they say and what they do is always different.
Also I doubt they will look any further into turbo lag
issue (like last time they didn't despite reporting it
atleast twice). Its all lack of trust.

I quoted county court route because I have given them
chance in past to fix it twice and all they did is made
it worse. I will consult a lawyer before taking this
action; but this is later part.

I will try to sort it with the dealership if it works its
fine or I will go to the independent route, this
dealership is very greedy and incompetent and I am sure
they lack proper technical knowledge to investigate
deeper.

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Originally posted by Sporty1 Sporty1 wrote:

ETA County court route??? For what? You need to give them the opportunity to fix the car, you cannot just take it somewhere else and then issue court porceedings. You will lose.

 

Exactly. You have to give them a reasonable chance to fix the car before you have any grounds to complain.

As Sporty says, agree to pay for the diagnosis if they find the problem is not connected to the part they replaced under warranty.

Another route of information might be to BMW UK to find out their view on who should pay for the diagnosis in the event that the fault is with a bit replaced under warranty?

If they say anything other than the dealer then sell the car and move to another marque  

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The complete hose, not just the seals, is circa £150+VAT supply only.

You will not have invoice for warranty work, but if it was 'fixed' underwarranty there will be a record for the repair and the dealer will be able to tell you what was done.

Agree to pay for the £72 diagnoses, if the same hose is diagnosed as the problem and was 'fixed ' under warranty then argue that you should not need to pay the £72 diagnoses for warranty work that was supposedly fixed recently under warranty.

ETA County court route??? For what? You need to give them the opportunity to fix the car, you cannot just take it somewhere else and then issue court porceedings. You will lose.

ETAII; What do you mean is it engine oil or diesel oil?

The oil leaking is engine oil it is not diesel fuel.


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Looking into the invoices I have from BMW I can't find
the one which mentions any hose replacement; Now going
back to history I think it was all verbal; they did not
write anything which went under warranty repair as it was
free. My mistake I should have taken it on invoice.

Either way it would not have helped me as the small print
on other invoices reads this: "We will carry out the work
with reasonable care and skill, and warrant it will
remain free of defects in workmanship for a period of 3
months or 3000 miles, whichever occurs sooner, from the
date the work is completed".

I think I am cornered here. Good to know this without
wasting £72 for so called diagnosis of something which
now I already know - a leaky pipe. Anyway based upon my
previous experience I seriousley doubt they have skillset
to diagnose any further then what you point to.

btw. sorry for a noob question, what oil is it which is
leaking, engine oil or diesel?
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The £72 will be a standard charge for 'having a look at it' this will be 1 hours labour.  Its a standard enough thing across most garages, it's just the price of motoring.

I would agree with Sporty1.  If they fixed something and it fails within whatever time frame is stated in the small print on the reverse of your invoice, they should be liable for re-fixing it.

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Stealership today replied to my email today saying they
will charge me £72+VAT to "diagnose" it first and only
then they will comment on it further. Conveniently they
ignored part of my email where I told them they did
change the hose in the last attempted repair.

Anyway I am thinking of going to nearby BMW specialist
and get it fixed there first and if turbo is found faulty
or for any reason if bill goes high I would take the
county court route later (only if it is worth it).

This one looks nearby http://www.cpcpe.com/page007.html

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