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    Posted: 26-January-2010 at 00:05
 hi guys, ive just been informed that my front discs are warped :( and was hoping someone could point me in the direction of sourcing some discs. they are vented and are for a 525dse im in the northwest of england.

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I am very spurious of the description of warped discs.

If they are warped then you would have major problems with your calipers and caliper cradle as the thing is not spining on its true axis.

You probably just have worn discs and pads.

What is the age of the 5er? 

The E39 OEM parts are ATE discs and Textar pads which can be bought fairly cheaply from Eurocar parts, of which there is bound to be a branch in north west Englandlandshire.

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Also, does the person who informed you know BMWs?  Worn bushes in the front suspension are often mistaken for warped discs, and are far more common.  And E39s are notorious for needing well-balanced wheels, which otherwise can cause similar wobbles.  Just a thought...
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Originally posted by jetsetwilly2000 jetsetwilly2000 wrote:

And E39s are notorious for needing well-balanced wheels, which otherwise can cause similar wobbles.  Just a thought...

Very true! The slightest unbalanced road wheel can have a huge effect on vibrations in the car.

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Andrew I just read that stoptech article and I am enlightened!  Among other things it made me realise that I can't carp on about my (slight) brake fade until I change the fluid.  Great link. 


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Ditto all the above, spot on!

It's extremely rare to get warped discs unless you have had a serious track day with the car and used the standard brake set up. Only extreme heat can make the discs actually warp and this would usually only happen if you are declerating quickly several times in succession, i.e ragging the hell out of the beast! I have seen heat cracks appear in discs which can cause vibration. Have a look at your didscs and run your fingers around the face of them. If you can see cracks or feel uneveness then they are needing replacement.

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P.S. I fitted brembo discs and pads to mine from GSF and they are great and reasonably priced.



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thanks for all the advice guys.....took it to a guy who does performance tyres/alloys and such like, and the discs that are on aren't bmw discs they are over the counter cheapo ones apparently. its an 02 plate the pads are good but he thinks that cos they are cheap copies thats the prob.  how would i check for worn bushes/ bearings etc....i dont no alot about cars.... oh and btw...i have been thrashing it ( legally of course....cough*)




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What are your symptoms?

I'll let others tell you how to test an E39 for bush wobbles - on an E34 you get a telltale shimmy at 50-60mph which can get quite severe under braking, but I think E39s are different...  Anyway the culprit bush is usually the thrust arm bush, no 5 on this link:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=DF51&mospi d=47542&btnr=31_0617&hg=31&fg=05

If it looks torn or anything like that, replace both sides. 

You can test for wheel bearings (unlikely to be the cause) by listening for a roar or grumble when cornering.  But first of all, get the wheels balanced by a good place!  E39s really hate unbalanced wheels.  Even cheap tyres can upset them...

Best of luck with it.  By the way, your mechanic dude might be right - just pays to be sure before you shell out.
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Glad there is an agreement that warped discs on anything other than a track car is just sloblocks!

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my symptoms are when driving  theres nothing at all no wobbles or shimmys everything is as it should. but when i brake theres a slight wobble that seems to be coming from the front right hand side, its not a bad bad wobble, more of a tremble if u no what i mean, take the foot of the brake and it goes back to as it should with no wobble/tremble and no noises. if i brake then release then brake it seems to not wobble as much   i can live with it for the moment but its really annoying me.so i shall be keeping my speed down till it is sorted out!


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Hmm, that does sound like your discs have a problem - probably uneven deposit of pad material according to mr stoptech, due to hard use or holding hot brakes on at standstill.   You could fit some harder pads, get the discs faced or just replace the lot.  Either way it won't cost the earth - just remember to bed any new brakes in thoroughly before you do any more tear-arsing about

ECP or GSF or (my choice) motormec are best for bits.  Don't bother going to bmw, as these three mostly sell oem.  What make are the ones you have?
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thanks for the jet but i havent got a clue what ones are on it. the guy who looked at it said they are probably cheap ones.i work as a bus driver so ive just put it over the pits and had a good look underneath, nothing looked worn and nothing was loose....i think that im just gonna bite the bullet and get some new discs and pads hope this does the trick.

ECP OR GSF hmmm im gonna look on europarts site. thanks for all the help 


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I would go for OEM bits from either ECP or GSF.
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GSF and ECP have local branches but personally I like motormec.  They're friendly and they actually know bmw's (whereas with the others it's hit and miss) and I've had no trouble with them.
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does  ecp mean europarts? ive just been on there site and they have some discs bmw spec called pagid just found that they are not far from me so im gonna stick them on my card, any suggestions on  pads? or just get them from the same place? thanks for all the great advice  i'd be stufferd without your help...thank u to everyone who has helped me


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http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/Car-Parts

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Originally posted by glennyboy glennyboy wrote:

any suggestions on  pads?

Textar are the OEM pads for the E39.

ATE are the OEM discs for the E39.

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well ive changed my discs and pads and all is well with the world again,one of the discs was cracked! just one more slight problem, the brake wear sensor broke, so i replaced it with a brand new one from  ECP, but the brake wear light thingy on the dash is still on, do i have to reset like you do when you have a service?  your thoughts and advice would be mucho appreciated 

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Don't really know about E39s but I found this, might be worth a try...

http://www.zeckhausen.com/E39_BMW_Front_Install.htm

and this...

http://edu.cqdx.gov.cn/bmw/135184.html

Glad it's running smooth again.  Hope you bedded those new brakes in!
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im glad too i am being extremely careful bedding them in...just glad it was nothing serious.....im just going out to try the two methods of turning the warning light out that you have found for me  once again thank you 


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