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    Posted: 10-September-2009 at 20:44

Hey all,  I have a 530i 2002 m-tech. was stopped at a set of lights this morning and the automatic transmission light came on now it feels like its pulling another car behind me...

Would anyone have any ideas what might be wrong???

Please dont say its the gear box or clutch!!!

I am hoping its the sensor!!

I have had alot of trouble with this car since I bought it in April, the trouble in the begining was coil packs but the garage sorted it out for me under the warranty.Now the warranty is out

 

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I would imagine that Andrew Rolland will be along with his expertise.
However, it sounds like you are in limp-home mode and will need the help of an auto-transmission expert
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Had one of the clutches go on an auto box before so it was trying to use two gears at the same time but that was in an '88 E30. It felt like the anchors were put on.

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Hi there

sorry for your troubles with the car. The light can be reset and the reason why your car is so slow now is because it went into the limp home mode and drives in 3rd gear only. DEpending on the milage and service history on the car it could be a couple of things. Low fluid level due to a leak, a blocked/shagged valve or solenoid in the gearbox or as mentioned a clutch. The first two are easy enough to fix the later isn't.

I can diagnose the fault for you if you are close to Sandyford will pm you my details

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Hey..

A very nice fella came up on sat and plugged the car in to a diagnostics computer and it showed up the fault is something to do with a speed sensor, anyhow he cleared it and all seems to be going well, hopefully it will stay that way..

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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

I would imagine that Andrew Rolland will be along with his expertise.

Hi been away on holibags to Tenerife so I'm just catching up on here.

There is very little you can do with the automatic transmissions in BMWs as they are "sealed for life" and do not even have a dipstick to allwo you to check the fluid.  They are not BMW made gearboxes but ZF.  All you can do is take the car to an Automatic transmission specialist.  I have just returned home from having my transmission serviced by a specialist.  Will update this thread later.

There could be a million and one things that are wrong with the transmission in your car.  The ZF 5 speed boxes are generally pretty reliable but chances are it is an electrical fault rather than a mechanical fault.  Electronics control the point at which the transmission changes gear.  Electrical solenoid valves move to allow transmission fluid to operate the clutches and brake bands that change the gears.  I had an electrical solenoid valve fail on my E39 and it cost me 702 to fix. The ECU (gearboxes electronic brain/computer) requires inputs from loads of electrical sensors in the car, from wheel sensors to input and output torque sensors.

You mention that you have had a diagnostic check done and the car has been "re-set".  Yes this will get you going again and there is a slim chance that the fault might not re-appear (the E39 are terrible for weird electrical faults) but I reckon it will re-appear, sod's law innit!

The sensor you mention could well be at fault and needs replacing.  The problem being is that it might be a gearbox out job to replace it.  Or it might be accessible after removing the sump pan.

The only thing you can do other than listen to me speculate on what might be the problem is to take it to an Automatic Transmission Specialist for a check.  He can diagniose the problem for you and then tell you how much it will be to repair it.  Anything else is just guess work at the moment.

If the warning light does come on again only drive it to the specialist as you will damage the friction clutches driving it in limp mode as you only have 3rd and 4th gear available.

Keep us posted with the outcome.

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Cheers for all that info andrew.

I havnt been driving it all week but most likely will be back driving it next week, anything shows up and il post up,one way or the other it needs the tappets re set or what ever they do with them as there is a tappety noise out of her, she got all new tappets back in may this year and the donkey in the "BMW" garage told me they will be noisy for a while till they bed in, I am now led to believe thats a load of billix so shes needing a small bit of looking after one way or the other.

I have to say I have had 325i's, 528i and a 728i before this particular one and never had a days trouble with any of them!

This 530i is doing my head in since i bought it

There is only 69,000 genuine miles and one previous owner on her so thought I was getting a good one, oh well its probably just one of those cars i guess  

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Stick with it Sam, you'll get there. BMW's are wonderful cars but sometimes need some patience!

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Originally posted by samantha samantha wrote:

it needs the tappets re set or what ever they do with them as there is a tappety noise out of her, she got all new tappets back in may this year and the donkey in the "BMW" garage told me they will be noisy for a while till they bed in, I am now led to believe thats a load of billix so shes needing a small bit of looking after one way or the other.

The tappets are hydraulic so cannot be adjusted.  They use engine oil as the hydraulic fluid.  What you may need is an oil change with good quality oil.  Cylinder heads have a small plastic valve in them that stops a certain amount of the oil draining back to the sump preventing starving the tappets on start up.  If this valve fails and allows oil to drain back to the sump the engine will sound tappety on start up.

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Newly-installed tappets might rattle when you first start it up, but not after that.
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Originally posted by jetsetwilly2000 jetsetwilly2000 wrote:

Newly-installed tappets might rattle when you first start it up, but not after that.

I did wonder that but that would imply that a new car would have rattley tappets.....but a new car doesn't have rattley tappets.  Until they fill with oil tappets will rattle, once they are full of oil they shouldn't rattle.

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yeah it's really only the first time the engine is started up.  Dunno what's up with Samantha's engine but it's not the tappets bedding in...
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I know what will be up with it if its not sorted MACGIURE AND PATTERSON springs to mind 

Although I will not claim to know much about an engine but I didnt think tappets needed to bed in either but being a woman I was not going to say that and maby look like a right egit if I was wrong!!!

The BMW garage did put in fresh oil when that work was done on the car but what type of oil they put in I do not know..

I am wondering if maby it needs a lighter oil in it so the tappets will fill up????

Well even after being out i the car its still tappety when I get home.

Would 1 or more tappets maby need to be replaced???  

 

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Oh meant to say cheers  for the advise and comments lads.

 

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Not that we're being much help!  All I can suggest is a second opinion at this stage as it sounds like your current garage might be talking rubbish. 

Why did you get all the tappets done anyway?  Was it to fix this noise?
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Re. tappet noise.  Have you dipped the car for oil recently?

Being a 530i, these can be fond of a drop of oil.  I know you said that oil was changed along with the tappets but how much mileage has been completed since then?  A 530i can use a litre in a thousand miles.  A drop in oil level, and therefore oil pressure, may mean that there isn't enough oil circulating to the head and tappets.

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Originally posted by Dergside Dergside wrote:

Re. tappet noise.  Have you dipped the car for oil recently?

Being a 530i, these can be fond of a drop of oil.  I know you said that oil was changed along with the tappets but how much mileage has been completed since then?  A 530i can use a litre in a thousand miles.  A drop in oil level, and therefore oil pressure, may mean that there isn't enough oil circulating to the head and tappets.

With my recently departed 330Ci I could always tell by the sound of the engine if it needed dipping and a top up.

I have dipped it for oil seems to be fine but heres another slight problem  she seems to have an oil leak from somewhere at the rocker cover,now im wonderin does this have anything to do with it??

Im not actually driving it at the moment as I have something else for a couple of weeks, so shes just sitting in the garden but did have her out for a spin on sunday!

Since they did the tappets that tappety noise is there,so brought it back and they told me the tappets have to bed in!! (rubbish) NO point in me bringing it back warrenty is out since July!!

Id say approx 1500miles since it got that work done. 

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Originally posted by Dergside Dergside wrote:

Re. tappet noise.  Have you dipped the car for oil recently?

Being a 530i, these can be fond of a drop of oil.  I know you said that oil was changed along with the tappets but how much mileage has been completed since then?  A 530i can use a litre in a thousand miles.  A drop in oil level, and therefore oil pressure, may mean that there isn't enough oil circulating to the head and tappets.

With my recently departed 330Ci I could always tell by the sound of the engine if it needed dipping and a top up.

The reason the tappets were done was one coil pack after another nedded to be replaced when I bought it, so for what ever reason they said it needed the tappets replaced but then I still had the problem of another coil pack to be replaced,in the end they reset the ecu and that seemed to fix all except for this tappety noise oh and an oil leak I think from in or around the rocker cover!!
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ffs!  So you had some coil problem, they replaced all the tappets and now you have a tappet problem plus an oil leak from where they did the work?  Is this another garage for the blacklist? 
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Originally posted by jetsetwilly2000 jetsetwilly2000 wrote:

Not that we're being much help!  All I can suggest is a second opinion at this stage as it sounds like your current garage might be talking rubbish. 

Why did you get all the tappets done anyway?  Was it to fix this noise?
The reason the tappets were done was one coil pack after another nedded to be replaced when I bought it, so for what ever reason they said it needed the tappets replaced but then I still had the problem of another coil pack to be replaced,in the end they reset the ecu and that seemed to fix all except for this tappety noise oh and an oil leak I think from in or around the rocker cover!!

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