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    Posted: 07-January-2004 at 15:35
both my mother and an old girlfriends mom have been pulled over for having their fogs on....... my mom was in an astra gte 16v ten years ago and the other was in one of those awful renault meganes.... fair comment deathace
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-January-2004 at 20:48
Originally posted by Simon325i sport Simon325i sport wrote:

Not sure about the fogs above the bumper being a new reg, calibras have their fogs built into the headlamps, as do some old mercs and volvos.

I retract my previous comment as I have seem a number of 52 and 03 reg cars with fog lamps in the bumper (where they should be)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-January-2004 at 20:12

I have to admit being guilty at times of driving with my fog lights on when its not foggy. I live in norfolk and there are plenty of bendy roads with no street lighting for miles and as such the front headlights just dont cut it for light amplification where you need it.

Full beam is ok on roads that have distance to be able to see ahead and anticipate the roads ahead but they do nothing for highlighting the sides of the road directly in front of you or take away eye strain from trying to see something with minimal lighting.

As a result of this i use the fog lights to highlight the sides a bit better and these are not as blinding as full beam being on. I don't know if its an unwritten rule or not in my area but there are absolutely loads of people that do this including the police and as such they don't stop people for doing so.

Rear fogs i hardly ever use unless its thick fog as my rear lights are very bright (new rear lenses with white indicators high reflective surface). I do agree that people that keep them on in any condition other than thick fog are absent minded drivers who dont care about other road users behind them. In the rare cases that i use the rear fogs as soon as i can see in front i turn them off which to me is an indication that others can see me.

I love lights and i think that alot of scenarios in the right context are quite good. Undercar neons are ok if they are done tastefully and used for tracks and shows but for general driving about they can be a distraction for other drivers. The same goes for the tyre, washer, exhaust, bonnet, grill, headlamp, indicator coloured accents or neons.

I am in the process of making my own white led angel eyes for the front head and fog lights for display purposes as i really do like the look of them but it is definately because the car doesnt have that leading edge look that im doing it (yes i am affected by some kind of penis inferiority complex) but i like to make my car look as best as it can be for my liking without annoying other road users too much :).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-January-2004 at 22:11

Not sure about the fogs above the bumper being a new reg, calibras have their fogs built into the headlamps, as do some old mercs and volvos.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2004 at 00:49
neons suck and so do all the other silly little things you can get for cars...... halfords specials i call them...... neons wouild be okay if they were used tastefully, but theyre not. at all. some matey in a fiesta si decided to play at a set of lights the other day..... lets just say i saw his bonnet neons and odd coloured bulbs in my rear view mirror... ahahaha i love my car
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2004 at 00:45

okay... i agree with you all....... but i have to admit that a car (esp any beemer) looks wicked with front fogs on, only the brightness outweighs their look. okay if you have sidelights in them and they only glow then cool, but otherwise forget it. personally i dont have fogs in mine and if i did i wouldnt use them becaue they do blind me and do cause accidents when idiots use them to look 'cool'. can you get foglights with built in sidelights for mine? i will have to research that...... that Eu regulation sucks, since despite my age i regard myself as an 80s boy, and i prefer the lower level set up (and if i do have fogs on mine theyre gonna be coloured yellow for the "french look")

i think it may be because then the lights are less dazzling to the other motorists, hence all the lights are on a similar level......... just a theory

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-December-2003 at 12:36
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His front foglights are built into the headlamp !!!




My better half's not yet one year old Golf has Fog lights in the main headlamps so I guess it must be some new regulation. I looked a right p**t went we collected it and queried if it was the right spec because "look no fog lamps".

I always thought that they were lower on the car so they didn't dazzle others as much. Oh well I must be getting old.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-December-2003 at 20:58

One of my brothers has just bought himself a new merc A class, (no I dont know why either, he hates bm with a vengance).

His front foglights are built into the headlamp !!!

This explains to me why I been dazzled by a few people, flashed them, only to have them flash me back.

Its probably EU regs now, but in the old days fog lights had to be below the headlamp level, and driving lamps had to be at headlamp level.

With them in the headlamps they are all going to be used as driving lamps, or "look at how many bulbs I have " !!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-December-2003 at 17:07

Front fog lamps are just the FOG lamps....If its not foggy WHY HAVE THEM ON???? It doesnt look cool, it doesn't make your 'thingy' bigger... its sad! Although saying that I use mine sometimes My fog lights and 'thingy', not at the same time though, that could be dangerous!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-December-2003 at 21:39
There is a D reg Nissan Micra round our way with a full set of washer/number plate/tyre valve/neon under car lighting on it.The price of the lights and installation costs must far exceed the value of the car! Plus... I bet the stereo costs about 3 times the cars worth, too!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-December-2003 at 14:12
Front fogs are stupid. The pattern only adds to dazzle for other drivers and they may worsen your vision as the eye compensates for the additional light right in front of the car - weakening its sensititivity in the distance.

I agree with rear fogs. Foglights should not be used in traffic - the principle is that it increases you ability to see or be seen - but neither is an issue in traffic!

The hi level brake lights are a good idea but holding the car on the handbrake stops the dazzle behind!

The under car lighting beats me. The is an Almera I see each morning with 4 of them. What't the point?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-December-2003 at 09:50
(Grumble grumble) neon lights under cars, on bonnets whatever, - no problem, if that's their thing (misguided as it is to think their Corsa is ripe for TOO FAST TOO SPURIOUS ), then fine.

Front fogs, annoying but blame the car magazines. My front fogs go on when A, it's really foggy and you are 20mph because without them you cannot see. and B. single track/country roads at night as they highlight any small animals at the hedges and verges.

Rear fogs - DO PEOPLE NOT REALISE THEY ARE FOR WHEN VISIBILTY IS LOW? if you have a car beind you and you can see it , then TURN YOUR pesky FOG LIGHTS OFF!!!!

Also, I agree with those LED high level brake lights, rainy night, traffic jam, auto car in front = hurt eyes.

As for police doing any sort of traffic duty, forget it, even when they watch cars running red lights near our local Sainsburys. USELESS.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-December-2003 at 22:31

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You will be astounded to learn that all these lights, well I can say the washer jets for sure ARENT illegal.

I have been doing my advanced driving stuff with the IAM (have my test next monday, so fingers crossed), whilst I have been doing this I recieve the associates newsletter/mag called drive.

There was an article in this written by a serving traffic officer ( the police are heavily involved in this driving thing as all the examiners are either serving or ex traffic examiners), this chap decided to "do" one of these lads, and he couldnt find anything in his manuals, even with the help of his superiors to report this silly little wotsit for.

I thought "white light to the front" but apparently not.

I'm sure I remember years ago someone being done for illuminating a "red nose" for comic relief, but it must have something to do with where you actually mount these lights, and on the bonnet or under the car seems ok.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-December-2003 at 20:57
OK - I want to put my two pennith(?) worth in here

Its not "cool" to drive with just parking (misnamed by many as "side") lights and fog-lights on, it's Stupid! - to digress, why did BMW stop the dim/dip principle I had on my old E30 325? It was impossible to drive on parking lights with that!

Even when it's foggy, why do people leave their front and/or rear fog lights on in traffic jams?? Or when crawling along nose to tail?? Use them when you are on your own, but turn them off when you aren't!

AND........why do people sit with their foot on the brake in jams / at traffic lights - especially with high level LED ones??

Mind you, at this time of the year a lot of people don't both to turn ANY lights on at all! So I suppose we should be grateful for the foglights at least?

p.s. - I think the blue/green/yellow, washers/head/parking... lights are stupid as well - and illegal - but dear old PC Plod is too busy keeping up with the speed cameras to deal with them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2003 at 15:20

Isnt that just typical !!

I think that is happening all over the country.

More bus lanes = slower buses

More speed cameras = more accidents

But as good old John Presott was once telling us (with referance to the M4 bus lane) "the slower you go, the faster you get there" !

To quote good old Wogan " IS IT ME " !!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-December-2003 at 23:13

Unfortunately the transport system in Birmingham seems to have gone downhill in the 19 years I have worked in Edgbaston.

Now they've put a bus lane down a particular dual carriageway (7am -7pm 7 days a week), more cars are taking to the backroads to avoid sitting in a jam. The one bus that actually uses this bus lane doesn't run by me, so I end up in the same old traffic as everyone else on the backroads sitting on a bus.

Ironically it now takes 15 minutes longer to get to work by bus since the bus lanes were introduced .

As I said, makes you appreciate having the Beemer when you've sat for 90 minutes on buses; a journey you could complete in about 35 minutes by car.

No contest really !!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-December-2003 at 00:15

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Ahh you take me back !!

Birmingham buses.

I was born and brought up in good old brum, jasper carrott for president etc.

My kids dont believe me that years ago, hundreds of years ago according to them, that I used to catch buses all around brum rather than bother with the car when going into the city, and of course the local trains.

I live in Worcester now, have done for years, and I constantly laugh at the local council trying to achieve what we had 30 years ago.

Is the transport system still as good ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-December-2003 at 22:11
Well now, what about mobile phones? mind you I've seen a bus driver with his head in his hands while he steered with his elbows!(Reading to Newbury run) Honest! Took the registration but the bus company's phone was engaged for ages, perhaps everyone saw him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-December-2003 at 20:25

I must say Nigel "I Simply Don't Believe It!!"

I think I'm turning into a Victor Meldrew as well. I ocassionally use public transport (damn Birmingham buses don't you know) if I'm on a a shorter day and want to pop into town after work.

It makes you appreciate the convenience and enjoyment of driving a BMW and of course what it would be like without a licence...

Anyway, I digress, while standing at a cold bus stop a few weeks back and getting really bored, I noticed the number of people not wearing seatbelts. I started counting them (sad or what ??) by the time the bus arrived I had got upto 65. I continued counting while on the bus (said I was sad didn't I ?) and packed up when I got to 100.

The deliberate breaking of the law goes un-noticed most of the time as the police can't be bothered. Pity the tax payer has to cough up millions to support the health service. How much of this goes into repairing people's faces after they've been through the windscreen.

Fog lights on all the time are annoying, but you can always try out your main beam for a couple of seconds to give them a clue. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-December-2003 at 18:24
It's the daft old biddies in their Rover 100's that tootle about for months after any sign of fog STILL with their rear fogs on.
I think it is really dangerous when following a car with rear fogs on in dark,wet weather.You just don't notice the brake lights for getting blinded by the fogs.

Why they never made them to cancel when you turned your lights off is beyond me.....

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