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Mike Ryan
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Dergside Wrote: Wow.....! Now that is serious and dedicated petrol head stuff there! Im more into High Cetane Rating and Low Sulphur Content between 9 to 5 for about 32 weeks of the year. After 5 and for for the other 20 weeks of the year im into High Octane Rating and Double Vanus. Its not all that hard to figure out what im at. Im not telling though. |
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Wow.....! Now that is serious and dedicated petrol head stuff there! |
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The thinking mans 4x4 !!!! Vogue is a very nice place to be and they look the business |
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There is a lad local to me with a 75 RR Chassis and an early 90's Vogue body dropped on with leather, electric everything and a 4.0 Toyota Landcruiser Diesel engine, best of every world.
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Curley
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Seemingly a company in Wicklow offered the exact same thing with new bodies on old chassis, off-hand I know 3 fellas with 4 door v8 Rovers on the exempt system. With UK rolling tax system stuck on Jan 73, Irish lads are buying up 73 to 78 Land rovers in the UK just for the chassis and book. You never know you might be back in business again... EDIT : Sweet mother of God, looked at the link so thats why the Navara's are getting thin on the ground !!!??! Edited by Curley |
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Mike Ryan
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QUOTE=CurleyKilian is right registeration follows the chassis and that why you see the occasional classic shape 4 door v8 range rover on a ZV or equivalent irish 30y/o plate.] A company in the UK offered a conversion to owners of older range rovers. You exported your over 30 year old range rover to the UK and delivered it to their premises. You let customs here in Ireland know of your intensions in advance and showed them the gleaming new body on the refurbished galvanised chassis on return. This company ( I would need to check in past copies of Off Road and Four Wheel Drive Magazine, have all issues back to 1984) gave you a choice of either a new landrover discovery body either 2 or 4 door, with everything new except the chassis that left Ireland. The other much more expensive choice was to continue and leave it range rover but use the 4 door body. There are many examples of both of these conversions running around on original Irish plates. It was also possible to bring one in, as an import - hence the ZV plates. I spent a lot of my time in the 80s converting range rovers to diesel. Converted many of them using tried and trusted engines from elsewhere. Then along came Toyota, Nissan etc. and that put an end to my diesel conversions. Maybe I might be in business again. Check out www.knackerednavara.co.uk |
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Curley
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Simple, separate chassis on the range rover classic (RR up to '93, 4dr came in AFAIK in 1982) so effectivly people rebody using a tax exempt chassis/book and putting a body off a newer RR onto it. I've seen quite a few RR on this system and it's legit. Nearly purchased a 93 v8 vogue earlier this year on an 75 IF reg. with the work done in the UK, It had corresponding choachbuilders plates old and new vins, paperwork etc The issue is how many RR chassis were honestly rebodied and not just a plate and VIN number cut out of the exempt chassis. all other separate chassis bodied vehicles all go under the same rule in Ireland simple example is an old beetle where one could buy a mint uk one, drop it on an irish chassis and hey presto you've an mint 'irish' beetle with an irish reg... |
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Dergside
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[QUOTE=CurleyKilian is right registeration follows the chassis and that why you see the occasional classic shape 4 door v8 range rover on a ZV or equivalent irish 30y/o plate.] A little o/t but the Range Rover thing has always facinated me. There are a good number of 4 door RR Classics in the country that appear to have reg numbers that significantly pre-date the official introduction of the 4 door (iirc, somewhere around 1982). Some of the ones I've seen have the "look" of later '80's and '90's models. I know that Sbarro in Switzerland did some 4 door conversions on these before the factory model appeared (and I may be wrong, but think that there was a connection between their design and the official 4 door). I'm guessing that the numbers of Sbarro cars is relatively small and its doubtful that so many of them have ended up in this country. So, what's the explanation? Anyone know? Edited by Dergside |
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As for VAT/Duty Just imported a front panel and wing for a 1970s Neue Klasse this week from the US with 21.5% import duty plus quoted taric of 3% (I was lucky) it automatically adds 1/4 to the items price. Guess you just have to bear it...
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I don't believe that there is a difference to the engines but there is a difference to the ECU. Fuel in the EU has a higher octane rating and also many states in the US have tougher emissions limits so in many cases, the US cars are down on power compared to their Euro coounterparts. |
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I just dont get it. Its nice to promote home garage engineering, but I think BMW engineers are little bit more professional with this. And dont forget millions spent to make something perfect. Installing weak engine just sounds so WRONG... Sorry to sound uneducated, but I discovered now there is different BMW engines in USA and Europe. And only becouse of fuel difference?!?! All the US imports must modify to accept european fuel? Or they just perform better becouse of stronger petrol?
Deeem... its 1 am... tomorrow is big day... Im going to buy road legal plane ;) Nervous here... looking for nice rides and making shopping list... my baby... And this baby have heart of rocket! You know this feeling... i cant sleep tonight Edited by Maniac |
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Mike Ryan
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Many thanks for the info regarding CO2 emissions Dergside. I have been told by customs that fitting a new engine in a pre Jan 2008 registered car will not qualify the car for the new CO2 emission regulations regarding car tax. They said that the car will be liable for annual road tax based on the cubic capacity of the engine. I am referring to original Irish second hand cars that are sitting in dealer's yards. An example would be a typical E60 525 plated 04 or 05 or even an E39 525 plated 00 to 04. They aint movin like they used to. Diesel conversions were all the rage in the late 80s and early 90s for large cars. Large older cars were attractive then, and their higher running costs could be reduced with a diesel conversion. Im wondering has the time now come for some enterprising engineering firm to consider offering a smaller cubic capacity high powered petrol engine conversion kit for similar large cars that are still desirable by many today. I remember a time when there were a total of 38 conversion kits available for the range rover. Most of these kits were diesel conversions, but some were petrol engine kits of smaller capacity. Example: Out with the rover V8 and in with a ford V6. |
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Dergside
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The VW TSI were a great solution to the old VRT regime, but unfortunately doesn't work so well for CO2. A new 320i produces the same bhp as the top end new Golf TSI 170 but has much lower emissions. 20% VRT category for the 320i, 28% for the Golf. Go figure! |
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Mike Ryan
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Seeing that second hand E60s with large capacity engines are hard to shift off the forecourts at the moment lets go one better. Stick a spanking brand new VAG 1.4 liter high performance petrol engine under the bonnet. They can be tuned to develop as much power and torque as the E39 528 engine. Half the engine size and as good to go. Now your sucking diesel - sorry petrol.
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Mike Ryan
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Republic of Ireland has one of the lowest personal tax rates in western Europe. This has been the priority of sucessive governments here for quite a while now. We marched in protest at high personal taxes through the streets of our cities in the 80s. Politicians listened to the people and as a result the personal tax take (as a percentage)from our wages gradually reduced. This policy has been sucessfull in the creation of conditions that have stimulated growth in employment. The more recent policy of creating a minimum hourly wage rate has also helped to get people whom might otherwise be happy to live on the social welfare allowances to take up the offer of employment. Our government must get the taxes in from the public by some other means. High VAT rates is an example. VRT is an other example. High PRSI rates on personal income is an other example. We have a choice in the decision we make regarding the size, engine size, age, petrol or diesel of the car we wish to drive. If we cant afford to run an M5, then we scale back on our purchase. Locals driving around in foreign registered cars here come to the attention of Customs and Exise rather quickly here especially the further south you live in the Irish Republic. With respect to being patriotic, I lived and drove cars when the annual car tax was only £10 per year back in the 80s. This did not last long im afraid. They quickly brought it ten times higher. I didnt loose my patriotism because of this massive increase in annual car tax then. Lets hope that annual car tax will not be doubled or tribled in the future. If it does I will still be patriotic and maybe drive one of the smaller engined beemers that BMW have already designed, only to start building them when the market conditions create the demand.
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Alright- I agree with you. LHD cars are just dangerous here and RHD dangerous in Europe mainland. And your negative reactions to fancy windscreen decorations are understandable- it is small nations way to survive. Belive me- smaller the country and smaller their tolerance. Im from smaller country than Ireland and I understand and feel your pain. But in changing world we all in EU now. Its like USA- at least idea. We all EU citizens and its just melting process right now. How to you feel when you see locals driving around with UK/NI plates? But you certainly know many or even majority of Irish citizen are not happy with some taxes. Where is your patriotism limit? are you always patriot? If Road Tax or PRSI doubled or three or ten times higher? Are you still in same opinion, that you are living here and should be happy with all taxes they ask? I dont think so. Too many people feel that they are ripped off right now- and thats why this topic is here. Peace! |
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Mike Ryan
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Im not comfortable with the arrangements in the Irish Republic regarding VRT. I complain like everybody else, but in the end I put up with it. We live here, We work here, We pay our taxes here. We voted in our government here. If we have no work here as happened in the 80s we will emigrate to find work as many are doing again right now. When we work and live abroad we will abide by the laws with respect to motoring in our adopted country. I dont like to see right hand drive cars on our roads that were originally on Irish plates being fitted with foreign plates and driven around with windscreen decorations applicable to the country from where the plates originated. I have seen 3 such vehicles in car parks in the Limerick area over the last 3 months. Imagine an Irish citizen trying a stunt like that in mainland western Europe on a locally sourced left hand drive car and fitting Irish plates on it together with the appropiate Irish windscreen decorations. The minister for foreign affairs would need to be quickly involved in interceding on the Irish citizen's behalf.
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Thanks guys to keep on thinking... Please dont surrender! There must be solution!!! We`ll keep up the fight! Do BMW make any van??? :)))) Im cut my own hand, but I refuse to molest X5 as van. And X is out of my budget anyway. 1989 520 asked where im from :D Lets say- eastern europe. Just in case if I become too interesting for revenue or boys in blue. I know what you think . We are there psychotic drivers and like to drive while under heavy influence of vodka :)))) Personally I drink once or twice per year, but on the roads... sorry I have bad habits . But im not self destructive and i dont disturb other drivers - I keep on my own line- you guys call it "hard sholder"? And you have it sooooo wide- we have it max 1 meter and have to go half offroad. But good thing is... adrenaline rush. Just kidding :) Back to the topic. I plan to buy BMW and not decided yet- from where Im going to buy it. NI/UK prices are more attractive but this registration tax is just not accepted. Road tax- ok I can handle this- most of the countries use fuel tax to cover expenses, but in Ireland they need extra? Same story with TV license- channel is selling commercials as competitors and getting money from sponsors (tv licence owners). Frustrating! Its more mental than financial issue. If you tax bigger than 3 litre engine then it becomes health issue when you get a heart attack. Main problem is- back home we dont call cars BMW if they have smaller engine than 2L. You can disagree, but I freak out about idea of having 1.6 or 1.8 Seems I have to go official and make some masterplan and start surfing and calling to the insurance companies and revenue. 1.6 is not a solution! Friend of mine came with 2007 5 series and he didnt had any glue about taxing and Garda took his car for 2 months... and released after enormous bills... I dont want to get this experience. |
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Dergside
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Funnily enough, there is a bit of a loophole for rental companies, and has been for years. The problem is that a rental is defined and if the rental contract doesn't match the definition then its not regarded as a short term rental and therefore the provision doesn't apply. The "rental" you've described doesn't qualify as a short term rental afaik! If you want to avoid VRT, buy a van. |
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