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Abu Dhabi First Practice

Friday, 30 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:43.939
2 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:44.035
3 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:44.153
4 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:44.207
5 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:44.667
6 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:44.687
7 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:44.688
8 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:44.805
9 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:44.955
10 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:44.958
11 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:44.988
12 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:45.123
13 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:45.649
14 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:45.679
15 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:45.704
16 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:45.865
17 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:46.239
18 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:46.267
19 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:46.364
20 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:46.411

 

So the outgoing and incoming Champions 1st & 2nd at the moment, but a long way to go yet - and faster times to come.

 

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Abu Dhabi Second Practice

Friday, 30 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:41.307
2 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:41.504
3 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:41.541
4 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.591
5 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:41.636
6 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:41.683
7 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.684
8 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:41.831
9 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:41.931
10 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:41.987
11 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:42.180
12 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:42.245
13 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:42.278
14 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:42.409
15 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:42.530
16 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:42.782
17 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:42.932
18 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:43.021
19 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:43.022
20 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:43.708
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Bernie Ecclestone says he would be "very upset" not to see a British Grand Prix in 2010

But not enough to give us a discount  



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it's interesting to look at some of the related news to this ....

15 Jun 2009 "Donington secures 17-year F1 deal"

20 Jun 2009 "British GP is secure - Ecclestone"

24 Sept 2009 "Donington shuts for F1 Work"

26 Sep 2009 "Ecclestone sends Donington threat"

03 Oct 2009 "Donington quiet as deadline nears"

24 Oct 2009 "Silverstone warned by Ecclestone"

29 Oct 2009 "No Donington GP says Ecclestone"

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Bernie Ecclestone says he would be "very upset" not to see a British Grand Prix in 2010

But not enough to give us a discount  



Haven't watch the video, but from a commercial point of view a discount to one circuit could result in all the other circuits also wanting the same.............. France, where there is no race scheduled for 2010, for example, the birth place of Grande Prix.


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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

it's interesting to look at some of the related news to this ....

15 Jun 2009 "Donington secures 17-year F1 deal"

20 Jun 2009 "British GP is secure - Ecclestone"

24 Sept 2009 "Donington shuts for F1 Work"

26 Sep 2009 "Ecclestone sends Donington threat"

03 Oct 2009 "Donington quiet as deadline nears"

24 Oct 2009 "Silverstone warned by Ecclestone"

29 Oct 2009 "No Donington GP says Ecclestone"

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Donington are totally 'Donald Ducked', no Moto GP no F1.


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Originally posted by Sporty1 Sporty1 wrote:

Donington are totally 'Donald Ducked', no Moto GP no F1.

.....No money, no nothing - terrible state of affairs

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Abu Dhabi Third Practice

Saturday, 31 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:40.625
2 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.627
3 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:40.907
4 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:40.934
5 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:41.241
6 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:41.263
7 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:41.310
8 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:41.322
9 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:41.372
10 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:41.373
11 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.403
12 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:41.478
13 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:41.499
14 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:41.675
15 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.682
16 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:41.897
17 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:42.156
18 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:42.213
19 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:42.351
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Qualifying

Saturday, 31 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Qualifying time
1 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.948
2 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.615
3 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.726
4 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:41.786
5 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:41.892
6 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:41.897
7 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:41.992
8 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:42.343
9 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:42.583
10 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:42.713
11 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:40.726
12 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:40.777
13 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.983
14 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:41.148
15 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:41.689
16 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:41.667
17 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:41.701
18 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:41.863
19 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:41.950
20 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:42.184

Kovalainen given five-place penalty for changing gearbox.

Starting Grid

Sunday, 1 November 2009
Conditions: Fine
Position Country Driver Car number Team Qualifying time
1 GB Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.948
2 Ger Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.615
3 Aus Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:41.726
4 Brz Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:41.786
5 GB Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:41.892
6 Ita Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:41.897
7 Pol Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:41.992
8 Ger Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:42.343
9 Ger Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:42.583
10 Swi Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:42.713
11 Fin Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:40.726
12 Jpn Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:40.777
13 Jpn Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:41.148
14 Spa Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:41.689
15 Spa Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:41.667
16 Ita Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:41.701
17 Ger Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:41.863
18 Fin Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.983
19 Fra Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:41.950
20 Ita Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:42.184


This is BBC Sport's fuel-adjusted Abu Dhabi Grand Prix grid, with projected first pit stops:

1 Lewis Hamilton (lap 17)
2 Sebastian Vettel +0.496secs (lap 19)
3 Mark Webber +0.721 (lap 18)
4 Jarno Trulli +0.854 (lap 18)
5 Rubens Barrichello +0.971 (lap 16)
6 Jenson Button +1.001 (lap 17)
7 Nick Heidfeld +1.186 (lap 19)
8 Robert Kubica +1.196 (lap 15)
9 Nico Rosberg +1.388 (lap 19)
10 Sebastien Buemi +1.651 (lap 18)



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1 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 2 1:34:03.414 10
2 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 3 1:34:21.271 8
3 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 5 1:34:21.881 6
4 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 4 1:34:26.149 5
5 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 8 1:34:29.667 4
6 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 12 1:34:32.757 3
7 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 6 1:34:37.780 2
8 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 10 1:34:44.708 1
9 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 9 1:34:49.355 0
10 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 7 1:34:51.594 0
11 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 18 1:34:56.212 0
12 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 11 1:34:57.731 0
13 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 13 1:35:03.253 0
14 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 15 1:35:13.014 0
15 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 16 1:35:37.814 0
16 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 20 lapped 0
17 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 17 lapped 0
18 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 19 lapped 0
RET great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1 retired, 20 laps 0
RET spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 14 retired, 18 laps 0
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Ok, someone help me logic this......

You are Ross Brawn, a master at racing tactics and making the best of any racing situation thrown at him (rather pivotal in Schumachers success with Ferrari) so last year he takes over a team which was all but finished and with minimal rescources and budget, manages to get the best setup to start the season, given the new regulations too. He goes on to mastermind one of the biggest fairytale stories in F1 winning a contructors title and having a champion in his first year as a team owner.

Then he sells it all.

I'm thinking, ok, he made it a huge success from nothing and wants to keep that fresh so preserves that status forever by selling out. But I saw the emotion in his face when he won that title, it looked like the proudest moment in his life. Did he think he'd never better that so best to let go? I just thought all that passion may fire him headlong into the next season. Now he's lost his team name, his drivers and is now a mere employee. Albeit by what could be one of the best teams in F1 in time to come but still, where's his pride?

I'd like to hear your opinions to put my mind at rest as I have to say, I'm a bit gutted the dream just seems to have died.

I will still be supporting Mercedes next year though, well, rude not too ay?

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Ross still owns 25% and he will have the financial muscle of Merc - I think it will be good in the long run as its much too difficult for an independent team to gather the finance these days.
Also Brawn GP were lucky this year with their interpretation of the rear wing - whats to say that the Ferrari won't be supe fast next year?
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Ross still owns 25% and he will have the financial muscle of Merc -
but he won't have #1 as our 'Jense' has gone to McLaren.

JB#1, LH#2 - let the fight begin

 

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That's what I was sort of thinking. It could very well be a case of Brawn having the brain rather than the financial brawn (if you get my meaning lol!) so perhaps it is a good thing, especially as Mercs have the cash and the two drivers they want. I think they could indeed befome an F1 super-power just like Ferrari have enjoyed in the past. I just hope they don't become arrogant and end up with the FIA in their pocket.

It's looking like a good season next year already, I can't wait!!

Will McLaren have the decency to let the drivers do their own thing like the two did at Brawn? I think Button and Baricello partenership worked so well without team orders and that's one good reason why Brawn did so well. It made them raise their game to try and beat each other but not at the cost of the other driver. If McLaren can try and do the same thing, as long as they have a competitive car (which I'm sure they will this year) then we could see Both McLarens near the top quite a bit. I actually think Button could learn off Hamilton and visa-versa, possibly a very good combination? We'll see!

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