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For the 2009 season, the FIA are making public the weights of all cars ahead of the race start to help give an idea of relative fuel loads. The cars that made Q3 are weighed after qualifying, while the weights of the remaining cars must be declared by their teams shortly after the session.

Below is the provisional grid for the Japanese Grand Prix with each car's weight. Note - Brawn GP’s Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello, Force India’s Adrian Sutil, Renault’s Fernando Alonso were all handed five-place grid penalties for failing to slow adequately under yellow flags. Toro Rosso’s Sebastien Buemi received an identical penalty for impeding other cars and causing a potential hazard to other drivers.

Force India's Vitantonio Liuzzi and McLaren's Heikki Kovalainen both have five-place penalties for gearbox changes. Red Bull’s Mark Webber and Toyota’s Timo Glock will start from the pit lane after swapping to new chassis and hence have no fuel restrictions.

Note that the final starting order may change depending on the order in which penalties were deemed to have been applied. A final grid will be published by the FIA on Sunday morning.

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 658.5kg
2. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 655.5
3. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 656
4. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 660
5. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 661
6. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 684.5
7. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 686
8. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 650
9. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 660.5
10. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 682.5
11. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 658.5
12. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 675
13. Giancarlo Fisichella, Ferrari, 661.5
14. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 665.4
15. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 695.7
16. Romain Grosjean, Renault, 691.8
17. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 689.5
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 682.5
19. Timo Glock, Toyota, n/a
20. Mark Webber, Red Bull, n/a
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1 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:32.160
2 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:32.220
3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.395
4 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:32.466
5 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:32.660
6 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:32.945
7 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:32.962
8 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:32.980
9 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes No time
10 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari No time
11 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:31.482
12 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:31.638
13 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:32.341
14 germany Timo Glock 10 Toyota No time
15 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari No time
16 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:31.704
17 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:31.718
18 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:32.073
19 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:32.087
20 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault No time


Revised grid,

Starting Grid

Sunday, 4 October 2009
Conditions: Fine
Position Country Driver Car number Team Qualifying time
1 Ger Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:32.160
2 Ita Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:32.220
3 GB Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.395
4 Ger Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:32.945
5 Fin Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:32.980
6 Ger Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:31.482
7 Pol Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:32.341
8 Spa Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari No time
9 Ger Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:32.466
10 Brz Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:32.660
11 Fin Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes No time
12 GB Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:32.962
13 Ita Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:31.704
14 Jpn Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:31.718
15 Swi Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari No time
16 Fra Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:32.073
17 Spa Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:31.638
18 Aus Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault No time
19 Ita Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:32.087
20 Ger Timo Glock 10 Toyota No time

* Provisional grid revised after five-place penalties for several drivers

Penalty's for Buemi, for impeding other drivers,
Button, Barri, Alonso and Sutil for setting fastest sectors in yellow flag sector.





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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

the final starting order may change depending on the order in which penalties were deemed to have been applied.

A final grid will be published by the FIA on Sunday morning. (by 0200 BST)

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The various penalties were applied in the order in which the corresponding offences were committed...leaving the grid like this

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 658.5kg
2. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 655.5
3. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 656
4. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 660
5. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 661
6. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 660.5
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 684.5
8. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 650
9. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 686
10. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 658.5
11. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 675
12. Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, 682.5
13. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 665.4
14. Giancarlo Fisichella, Ferrari, 661.5
15. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 695.7
16. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 689.5
17. Romain Grosjean, Renault, 691.8
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Force India, 682.5
19. Mark Webber, Red Bull, n/a
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Result -

1 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1 1:28:20.443 10
2 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 2 1:28:25.243 8
3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 3 1:28:26.843 6
4 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 5 1:28:28.343 5
5 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 7 1:28:29.143 4
6 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 4 1:28:29.943 3
7 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 6 1:28:31.043 2
8 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 10 1:28:31.843 1
9 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 9 1:28:32.143 0
10 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 16 1:28:33.443 0
11 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 11 1:28:34.143 0
12 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 14 1:28:34.943 0
13 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 8 1:28:35.343 0
14 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 18 1:28:36.143 0
15 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 15 1:28:38.343 0
16 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 17 lapped 0
17 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 19 lapped 0
RET spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 12 crash, 43 laps 0
RET switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 13 retired, 11 laps 0
RET germany Timo Glock 10 Toyota 20 did not start, 0 laps 0
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First Practice

Friday, 16 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:12.463
2 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:12.874
3 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:12.932
4 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.989
5 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:13.048
6 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:13.067
7 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:13.141
8 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:13.147
9 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:13.232
10 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:13.321
11 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:13.326
12 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:13.464
13 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.503
14 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:13.563
15 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:13.619
16 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:13.787
17 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:13.829
18 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:14.029


Rain showers on and off during the session.


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Second Practice

Friday, 16 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:12.314
switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:12.357
brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:12.459
australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:12.514
great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:12.523
italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:12.605
germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:12.611
germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:12.633
germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:12.720
great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.749
france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:12.806
poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:12.862
japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:12.869
japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:12.929
germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:12.948
finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.992
finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:13.026
spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.041
italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:13.275
 
p.s. Fisi stalled in the pit-lane exit - so didn't do too much running - still only .249 slowed than his team-mate


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.... and under 1 second seperating the whole field.

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Third Practice

Saturday, 17 October 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:23.182
2 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:23.832
3 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:24.122
4 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:24.125
5 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:24.149
6 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:24.389
7 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.443
8 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:24.859
9 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:24.867
10 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:25.440
11 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:25.508
12 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:25.685
13 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:26.224
14 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:26.530
15 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:27.047
16 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:27.341
17 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.798
18 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:29.285
19 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:29.895
20 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:30.259

 

Limited to 15mins running due to rain

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so... after 2hrs and 41mins the grid is  ...........

Qualifying

Saturday, 17 October 2009

Position Country Driver Car number Team Qualifying time
1 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:19.576
2 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:19.668
3 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:19.912
4 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:20.097
5 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:20.168
6 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:20.250
7 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:20.326
8 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:20.631
9 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:20.674
10 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:21.422
11 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 1:21.960
12 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:22.231
13 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 1:22.477
14 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:22.504
15 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes No time
16 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:25.009
17 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:25.052
18 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:25.192
19 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:25.515
20 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 1:40.703
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The fuel-adjusted top 10, with predicted first pit stop laps, looks like this:

1 Mark Webber (lap 22)
2 Rubens Barrichello +0.056secs (lap 20)
3 Adrian Sutil +0.231 (lap 23)
4 Jarno Trulli +0.361 (lap 24)
5 Sebastien Buemi +0.501 (lap 24)
6 Kimi Raikkonen +0.622 (lap 20)
7 Nico Rosberg +0.631 (lap 23)
8 Kazuki Nakajima +0.790 (lap 26)
9 Robert Kubica +0.963 (lap 22)
10 Fernando Alonso +1.862 (lap 20)

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Full race timings

Sunday, 18 October 2009
Conditions: Cloudy
Position Country Driver Car number Team Grid position Race time Points
1 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 2 1:32:23.081 10
2 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 8 1:32:30.707 8
3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 17 1:32:42.025 6
4 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 15 1:32:42.733 5
5 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 14 1:32:52.086 4
6 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 5 1:32:56.421 3
7 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 6 1:32:59.072 2
8 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1 1:33:08.535 1
9 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 16 1:33:11.481 0
10 japan Kamui Kobayashi 10 Toyota 11 1:33:26.081 0
11 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 19 1:33:33.746 0
12 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 20 1:33:34.469 0
13 france Romain Grosjean 8 Renault 13 lapped 0
14 spain Jaime Alguersuari 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 12 lapped 0
RET japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 9 crash, 30 laps 0
RET germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 7 retired, 27 laps 0
RET germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 18 retired, 21 laps 0
RET germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 3 crash, 0 laps 0
RET italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 4 crash, 0 laps 0
RET spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 10 crash, 0 laps
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FIA Formula 1 constructors' world championship

Last updated: Sunday, 18 October 2009 18:51 UK
Position Team Points
1 Brawn-Mercedes 161
2 Red Bull-Renault 135.5
3 McLaren-Mercedes 71
4 Ferrari 70
5 Toyota 54.5
6 Williams-Toyota 34.5
7 BMW Sauber 32
8 Renault 26
9 Force India-Mercedes 13
10 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 7
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I'm getting really bored now with all this

When will Dunington (Bernie?) accept that it won't happen in 2010?

 
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